Was 100-17 worst ever batting collapse by ICT?

[Trichromatic]

46 AO in first inning

54/7 in 2nd

[Ultimate_Game]

Pretty poor all around but I find the 2nd collapse much worse. At least when we got out for 46, the pitch was seaming and the ball was doing everything. But in the 2nd innings we were 408/3 and everything going in our favor. To collapse from that situation was inexcusable.

[Number]

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/india-in-south-africa-2023-24-1387592/south-africa-vs-india-2nd-test-1387604/full-scorecard

 

From 153-4 to 153 all out. 

6 wickets lost for no runs.

 

Someone in thr management has to admit that this team has a collapse problem and work on it.

Batsmen are not trusting their defense to see off tough situations, rather they start throwing their bat around for counter attack.

[jf1gp_1]

we do collapse every now and then. it keeps us grounded. 

 

Also this test should remind everyone what happens when jade and Ashwin don't score. 1st test vs BD would have been exactly the same had those two not got runs. 

[New guy]

2 minutes ago, jf1gp_1 said:

we do collapse every now and then. it keeps us grounded. 

 

Also this test should remind everyone what happens when jade and Ashwin don't score. 1st test vs BD would have been exactly the same had those two not got runs. 

Dude collapsing below 50 is something even minnows don't do. 

 

Also let's be reminded of what youngsters like pant and Sarfraz also keep performing but oldies don't 

[New guy]

57 minutes ago, Number said:

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/india-in-south-africa-2023-24-1387592/south-africa-vs-india-2nd-test-1387604/full-scorecard

 

From 153-4 to 153 all out. 

6 wickets lost for no runs.

 

Someone in thr management has to admit that this team has a collapse problem and work on it.

Batsmen are not trusting their defense to see off tough situations, rather they start throwing their bat around for counter attack.

Let's not blame agressive batsmen for collapse. Kohli, Rahul etc are not agressive batsmen but keep laying Eggs

 

Blaming collapses on agressive bats is counter productive when seniors let us down again and again.

 

Kohli for all his praise is averaging 34 for 5 years. Kl has been perpetual failures. Rohit cannot score even 50s. 

 

Our most agressive bats scored 150 and 99 and did their jobs

[R!TTER]

3 hours ago, Trichromatic said:

46 AO in first inning

54/7 in 2nd

No - the one earlier in SA was worse, albeit in tougher conditions.

Edited October 20, 2024 by R!TTER

[jf1gp_1]

26 minutes ago, New guy said:

Dude collapsing below 50 is something even minnows don't do. 

 

Also let's be reminded of what youngsters like pant and Sarfraz also keep performing but oldies don't 

I am all for new players however we need to remember how our top order failures (irrespective of old or new batsman) go unnoticed thanks to Jaddu and Ashwin. 

 

that said, If last series against Australia wasn't enough  then recent series against England has again showcased how our young brigade can be trusted even in test cricket.

 

Rahul has played 50+ test and avg in low 30s. I personally have been rooting for Rahul since his first 100 in Australia but the guy will go down as wasted talent. Kohli and Rohit are past their prime we need to start rotating them. 

[coffee_rules]

This test is probably the worst

 

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/india-tour-of-south-africa-1996-97-62290/south-africa-vs-india-1st-test-63736/full-scorecard

 

 

[Majestic]

It only exposes India's weakness vs moving new ball. In India, we play on most pitches where new ball doesn't swing a lot and you can play all the shots on the up itself while outside Asia, even surviving against new ball is a challenge for us.

 

It looks all great when we are invincible at home but staying competitive in all conditions is a mandatory criteria to be regarded as an ATG team like Aussies and Windies were. Even South Africa under Smith stayed very competitive and think they were equally formidable in mid-90s too when Donald and Pollock combo formed.

 

India need to work on their game vs swinging ball and learn to survive these conditions. Getting bundled out for low score is very embarrassing. 

[Number]

55 minutes ago, New guy said:

Let's not blame agressive batsmen for collapse. Kohli, Rahul etc are not agressive batsmen but keep laying Eggs

 

Blaming collapses on agressive bats is counter productive when seniors let us down again and again.

 

Kohli for all his praise is averaging 34 for 5 years. Kl has been perpetual failures. Rohit cannot score even 50s. 

 

Our most agressive bats scored 150 and 99 and did their jobs

Not blaming anyone particularly in fact I am even more disappointed with senior players like Rohit, KL and Virat who have more often than not failed to perform.

 

But you have to admit, in test cricket there are tough phases where you have to look to survive by defending. You can score quickly when you see off that phase.

 

The way Rohit stepped out in the first innings when the ball was swining miles is a clear symptom of this problem. 

 

[Lord]

Yes, can't collapse twice

 

This team has dangerous wont of trying to hit their way out of trouble. No one is ready to dig in and see off tough spells

[Frustrated]

Total Runs scored by our last 4 batters in 1st inning: 0.    In 2nd innings: 20.        Total runs scored by NZ's last 4 batters in 1st inning: 80

[Frustrated]

Combined score of (Ashwin + Jaddu + Kuldeep) in the entire test = 1/5 of Southe's score in 1st inning.  

[Lord]

3 minutes ago, Frustrated said:

Total Runs scored by our last 4 batters in 1st inning: 0.    In 2nd innings: 20.        Total runs scored by NZ's last 4 batters in 1st inning: 80

 

last 4 batters are not there for there batting. Southee scored because we allowed him to by some poor catching and captaincy.

[goose]

told you we need pujara.

[Lord]

3 minutes ago, goose said:

told you we need pujara.

 

He won't do ****. His tuk tuk is only on batting pitches. Goes early like others on seaming tracks like 36 AO and many other collapses

[deathmonger]

8 minutes ago, goose said:

told you we need pujara.

Yup. Not the current one though. Prime 2016-19 version.

 

This is a flipside of having a great T20 team and is a more systemic issue.

 

2015-19 we had guys like Rahane, Vijay, Pujara, prime Kohli who could weather through tough sessions and get to a par-ish score.

 

But we also kept losing in T20 WCs cause our batsmen couldn't make par scores.

 

Now with all the focus on IPL etc, most of the batsmen are aggressive and that means we are not grinding it out and dropping tests (Hyderabad test India should have got 600 odd, here 160-170 odd). Flipside is we won a T20WC undefeated and look good for a few more.

 

Babar Azam had the same issue. Good defensive batsman. Not at all a T20 player. Changed his game and lost that defensive technique.

Edited October 20, 2024 by deathmonger

[deathmonger]

2 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

He won't do ****. His tuk tuk is only on batting pitches. Goes early like others on seaming tracks like 36 AO and many other collapses

Naah that is post his prime.

 

Even then he was good.

 

MCG pitch next match was hard. He weathered the storm.

 

Plus a test in SL in 2015, SA tests 2015, Bangalore test 2017, SL test Edens 2017, SA 3rd test 2018, Adelaide 1st match 2018

 

Vijay, Rahane were also good

Edited October 20, 2024 by deathmonger

[goose]

@deathmonger @Lord

 

this was 2021 in australia - which is the next big challenge. these are jaw dropping stats in terms of crease occupation

 

T1

43 from 160 balls

0 from 8

T2

17 from 70

3 from 4

T3

50 from 176

77 from 205

T4

25 from 94

56 from 211