Hafeez : 90's team won nothing for Pakistan

[Rightarmfast]

These guys need to get better education. If not, atleast, they should be given a workshop in PR and communications. They treat TV shows like their living room conversation. They make light comments which are blown out of proportion. 

But it's true, the 90's team, despite all the hype won not much. Their success was mainly against India in Sharjah. 

Edited March 6, 2025 by Rightarmfast

[deathmonger]

5 minutes ago, Rightarmfast said:

These guys need to get better education. If not, atleast, they should be given a workshop in PR and communications. They treat TV shows like their living room conversation. They make light comments which are blown out of proportion. 

But it's true, the 90's team, despite all the hype won not much. Their success was mainly against India in Sharjah. 

they were not that good.

 

maybe no 3.

 

their hype was purely due to beating india.

[Suhaan]

16 minutes ago, deathmonger said:

they were not that good.

 

maybe no 3.

 

their hype was purely due to beating india.

Post 96 ,for a brief period SL were the top side from Asia

From late 90s to early 2010s they were comfortably better than Pak

So Pakistan were not even best from Asia even in the 90s

Pakistan had a very strong side in 99 (best from Asia)true,but they had a mixed WC

Edited March 6, 2025 by Suhaan

[Gollum]

1 hour ago, deathmonger said:

These are the last days of the India-Pakistan rivalry anyway.

 

In 10-15 years even Pakistani will forget their delusions (a lot already have).

 

In that duration India will get

 

1. manned space mission

2. high speed railways

3. host an Olympics

I pray that day never comes, we will be looted dry, 100x worse than CWG scam waiting to happen. 

[Nikhil_cric]

He's right. That 90's ODI team could only bully India and NZ.

 

They mostly lost to WI, OZ, SA, ENG and even SL from 94/95 onwards.

 

 

[Gollum]

7 hours ago, Lone Wolf said:

All the wins they talk about against Ind were mostly from fixing days in Sharjah and Pak had a better team. 

Most of the beatdowns happened in India, if you check the H2H in that period. One of my earliest memories was a tri-series in 99-00 in India and Pak beat us every single time by huge margins including the final. In 1999-00 also we lost some 8-9 games against them (they were simply better, nothing suspicious), winning just 1, hence even in 2000s they had superior H2H due to 2000 results. 

 

In cricket we became better than them around 2002-03, in hockey sometime in late 2000s to early 2010s. Gulf in respective sports widened significantly post 2011 WC, 2014 Asian Games respectively. 

[Gollum]

3 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said:

He's right. That 90's ODI team could only bully India and NZ.

 

They mostly lost to WI, OZ, SA, ENG and even SL from 94/95 onwards.

 

 

They used to own Poms as well. 

[deathmonger]

3 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Most of the beatdowns happened in India, if you check the H2H in that period. One of my earliest memories was a tri-series in 99-00 in India and Pak beat us every single time by huge margins including the final. In 1999-00 also we lost some 8-9 games against them (they were simply better, nothing suspicious), winning just 1, hence even in 2000s they had superior H2H due to 2000 results. 

 

In cricket we became better than them around 2002-03, in hockey sometime in late 2000s to early 2010s. Gulf in respective sports widened significantly post 2011 WC, 2014 Asian Games respectively. 

cricket mostly from 2015 i'd say.

 

2011-2015 india was going through its own rebuilding so they won a few.

 

tbh cricket gulf widens every 4-5 years (mostly post world cups)

 

2003, 2007, 2011, 2015, 2023

 

from 2015 the record is 13-3

Edited March 6, 2025 by deathmonger

[Gollum]

Just now, deathmonger said:

cricket mostly from 2015 i'd say.

 

2011-2015 india was going through its own rebuilding so they won a few.

 

tbh cricket gulf widens every 4-5 years (mostly post world cups)

 

2003, 2007, 2011, 2015, 2023

 

from 2015 the record is 13-3

Yes, now the paths have diverged so much that Pak will never challenge India again. Not the biggest fan but IPL too has lent a helping hand to Indian cricket. 

[Gollum]

In hockey, main reason we couldn't assert dominance over them in 2000s was Sohail Abbas, that guy was a cheat code. We would dominate 90% of the game and this guy would convert 3 out of 5 PCs and finish the game. Rehan Butt, Shakeel Abbasi too were elite, designated India bashers especially. We played many test series in that timeframe in both India and Pak, lost each one of them despite looking better for most parts....Pak PC conversion and efficiency of their forwards sealed our fate.

 

Abbas was a menace to goras as well, especially the Dutch, like Yuvi vs Aus. Covered so many of their weaknesses and Pak was a consistent top 6 side for most of that decade. What Bovelander was for Dutch teams in 90s, Abbas was that in 2000s. Even Korerans were damn good in that era. Being Indian hockey fan was pure torture back then, culminating in Beijing non-qualifiation and London disaster (first time saw GK Sreejesh in London). May we never go back to that dark era. Even cricket got better only when Dada took over. 

 

 

[coffee_rules]

7 hours ago, First class said:

this is a 5 day ( night match ) Match , timing 7:30 PM to 2:30 AM , no wonder he was sleeping. 

Too bad, he was at Karate practice at that time. I mean Kharate..

[deathmonger]

41 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Yes, now the paths have diverged so much that Pak will never challenge India again. Not the biggest fan but IPL too has lent a helping hand to Indian cricket. 

yeah. ipl will only expand as india gets richer. all the other leagues (minus psl) will become feeder leagues.

[deathmonger]

30 minutes ago, Gollum said:

In hockey, main reason we couldn't assert dominance over them in 2000s was Sohail Abbas, that guy was a cheat code. We would dominate 90% of the game and this guy would convert 3 out of 5 PCs and finish the game. Rehan Butt, Shakeel Abbasi too were elite, designated India bashers especially. We played many test series in that timeframe in both India and Pak, lost each one of them despite looking better for most parts....Pak PC conversion and efficiency of their forwards sealed our fate.

 

Abbas was a menace to goras as well, especially the Dutch, like Yuvi vs Aus. Covered so many of their weaknesses and Pak was a consistent top 6 side for most of that decade. What Bovelander was for Dutch teams in 90s, Abbas was that in 2000s. Even Korerans were damn good in that era. Being Indian hockey fan was pure torture back then, culminating in Beijing non-qualifiation and London disaster (first time saw GK Sreejesh in London). May we never go back to that dark era. Even cricket got better only when Dada took over. 

 

 

hockey league has also started so hopefully india becomes even better.

[Lone Wolf]

2 hours ago, deathmonger said:

These are the last days of the India-Pakistan rivalry anyway.

 

In 10-15 years even Pakistani will forget their delusions (a lot already have).

 

In that duration India will get

 

1. manned space mission

2. high speed railways

3. host an Olympics

 

 

Only threat is US and the West... The day India reaches around 5000$ - 6000$ per capita they won't allow India to be industrialized at all.

Plans would be set in motion like they tried with China during 1997-2004 period (includes that infamous US delegation trip to gauge their progress).. ofc they managed to foil those attempts but that's a lengthy topic.

 

Just don't host olympics until then.

[putrevus]

What did Hafeez win for Pakistan. It is hilarious this idiot is talking about winning.

 

Akram , Waqar or  Inzi don't need certification from this moron about their greatness.

[deathmonger]

4 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

Only threat is US and the West... The day India reaches around 5000$ - 6000$ per capita they won't allow India to be industrialized at all.

Plans would be set in motion like they tried with China during 1997-2004 period (includes that infamous US delegation trip to gauge their progress).. ofc they managed to foil those attempts but that's a lengthy topic.

 

Just don't host olympics until then.

i think we reach that around 2035.

 

right now we are at $3000.

 

2040 or 2044 would be a good attempt.

[Gollum]

Olympics, Asian Games, CWG etc. are just money drains at this point. No wonder most Western countries have stopped bidding for these events, and Paris too used recycled venues. CWG is set to stop after no one expressed interest in hosting it. 

 

In near future expect most of these mega events to be hosted in Middle East countries, maybe sometimes East Asia and countries ruled by jingoistic despots (think Turkey, Hungary, wildcard candidates can be Kazakhstan or Uzbekistan). In a false sense of pride, countries like India, Indonesia, Vietnam, Malaysia, RSA, some South American countries may bid, but will be blunder IMO. Populist party in Poland lost, but the Itallians may fall in the trap under Meloni. 

 

Have you seen the state of Delhi's CWG venues today? They are in ruins, much like those of Rio, Athens' Olympic standard venues. 

Edited March 6, 2025 by Gollum

[deathmonger]

2 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Olympics, Asian Games, CWG etc. are just money drains at this point. No wonder most Western countries have stopped bidding for these events, and Paris too used recycled venues. CWG is set to stop after no one expressed interest in hosting it. 

 

In near future expect most of these mega events to be hosted in Middle East countries, maybe sometimes East Asia and countries ruled by jingoistic despots (think Turkey, Hungary, wildcard candidates can be Kazakhstan or Uzbekistan). In a false sense of pride, countries like India, Indonesia, RSA, some South American countries may bid, but will be blunder IMO. Populist party in Poland lost, but the Itallians may fall in the trap under Meloni. 

 

Have you seen the state of Delhi's CWG venues today? They are in ruins, much like those of Rio, Athens' Olympic standard venues. 

I just think the Olympics can give a real fillip to Indian sports.

 

Also it's like a coming out party in a sense. And inspires national confidence in general.

 

Indonesia, Turkey, Vietnam etc will also look to host it for similar reasons.

 

South Korea and China's perceptions/confidence increased greatly post their Olympics.

 

CWG sucks and should be eliminated that is true.

[Sean Bradley]

49 minutes ago, Gollum said:

In hockey, main reason we couldn't assert dominance over them in 2000s was Sohail Abbas, that guy was a cheat code. We would dominate 90% of the game and this guy would convert 3 out of 5 PCs and finish the game. Rehan Butt, Shakeel Abbasi too were elite, designated India bashers especially. We played many test series in that timeframe in both India and Pak, lost each one of them despite looking better for most parts....Pak PC conversion and efficiency of their forwards sealed our fate.

 

Abbas was a menace to goras as well, especially the Dutch, like Yuvi vs Aus. Covered so many of their weaknesses and Pak was a consistent top 6 side for most of that decade. What Bovelander was for Dutch teams in 90s, Abbas was that in 2000s. Even Korerans were damn good in that era. Being Indian hockey fan was pure torture back then, culminating in Beijing non-qualifiation and London disaster (first time saw GK Sreejesh in London). May we never go back to that dark era. Even cricket got better only when Dada took over. 

 

 

Who do you think transformed the fate of Indian hockey? Like Dada in cricket, who is the hockey equivalent? 

[putrevus]

11 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Olympics, Asian Games, CWG etc. are just money drains at this point. No wonder most Western countries have stopped bidding for these events, and Paris too used recycled venues. CWG is set to stop after no one expressed interest in hosting it. 

 

In near future expect most of these mega events to be hosted in Middle East countries, maybe sometimes East Asia and countries ruled by jingoistic despots (think Turkey, Hungary, wildcard candidates can be Kazakhstan or Uzbekistan). In a false sense of pride, countries like India, Indonesia, RSA, some South American countries may bid, but will be blunder IMO. Populist party in Poland lost, but the Itallians may fall in the trap under Meloni. 

 

Have you seen the state of Delhi's CWG venues today? They are in ruins, much like those of Rio, Athens' Olympic standard venues. 

Hosting any sort of world sporting event other than cricket is drain on economy for India.But when whole country is starved for even one gold medal when world events occurs.The lack of infrastructure for developing sports culture stares at all our faces.

 

So there should be an attempt to host some events even if it is not olympics and build infrastructure for youngsters to develop interest in sports.Sporting culture is must for healthy nation.

 

Developing infrastructure for all sports should be priority for Indian govt.That should include hosting some world events.

 

Edited March 6, 2025 by putrevus