Speeds and Performances of Pacers and Spinners

[rkt.india]

13 minutes ago, sarchasm said:

Plain sad that Ashwin is sitting this out - casually dropped with no questions asked.

Ashwin kya ukhaad leta bhai 78 runs me

[Ankit_sharma03]

@express bowling

@Mosher

@rkt.india

 

Is their some change in Ishant's action ?? Something in his action looks different 

 

[R!TTER]

10 hours ago, rkt.india said:

Ashwin kya ukhaad leta bhai 78 runs me

Ishu maa ne kya ukhad liye pechle match me, sab kiya dhara KL, Bumrah, Shami, Siraj ka tha - usne to kewal behti ganga me 

[rkt.india]

1 hour ago, R!TTER said:

Ishu maa ne kya ukhad liye pechle match me, sab kiya dhara KL, Bumrah, Shami, Siraj ka tha - usne to kewal behti ganga me 

Last game was a team effort. All four did their job. 

[rkt.india]

4 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

@express bowling

@Mosher

@rkt.india

 

Is their some change in Ishant's action ?? Something in his action looks different 

 

Dekhi hi nhi. 78 pe all out ke baad dekhne ka man nahi kiya.

[Mosher]

4 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

@express bowling

@Mosher

@rkt.india

 

Is their some change in Ishant's action ?? Something in his action looks different 

 

Didn't watch.

[Gollum]

Such poor new ball bowlers in all formats now. Unable to swing the cherry, becoming a recurring problem. Test quicks are overall splendid but don't do much damage upfront.....don't take advantage of overhead conditions. 

 

No wonder Ashwin is our leading wicket taker with new ball in last 5 years. Even Shardul will do a mighty fine job if given the new ball, hope both these guys come in next game....and yeah they should open the bowling. 

[rkt.india]

41 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Such poor new ball bowlers in all formats now. Unable to swing the cherry, becoming a recurring problem. Test quicks are overall splendid but don't do much damage upfront.....don't take advantage of overhead conditions. 

 

No wonder Ashwin is our leading wicket taker with new ball in last 5 years. Even Shardul will do a mighty fine job if given the new ball, hope both these guys come in next game....and yeah they should open the bowling. 

Shardul is the ideal new ball bowler for these conditions. Siraj got the ball in the 20th over. He should have opened with Bumrah. Ishant has looked innocuous with the new ball. 

Edited August 26, 2021 by rkt.india

[Suhaan]

Ideally Siraj,Shardul should open bowling in these conditions Bumrah can come later and so can Shami

Ishant has his issues

[express bowling]

2 hours ago, Gollum said:

Such poor new ball bowlers in all formats now. Unable to swing the cherry, becoming a recurring problem. Test quicks are overall splendid but don't do much damage upfront.....don't take advantage of overhead conditions. 

 

No wonder Ashwin is our leading wicket taker with new ball in last 5 years. Even Shardul will do a mighty fine job if given the new ball, hope both these guys come in next game....and yeah they should open the bowling. 

 

 

I think most top Indian fast bowlers should forget about trying to swing the ball ( unless reverse swing is available ) as they are seam bowlers who depend on seam movement, pace and bounce to get wickets. 

 

Most of the great West Indian or Australian pacers did not swing the ball (  Marshall and Lillee were exceptions )  but still got wickets with the new ball and ran through sides.

 

Currently, Cummins is a good example too.  He just targets the top of off stump ball after ball and depends on seam movement, pace and bounce. But invariably gets wickets with the new ball.

 

The problem with our pacers is that they often forget what their abilities are.

 

Swinging the ball is not mandatory for getting wickets with the new ball.

Edited August 26, 2021 by express bowling

[express bowling]

8 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

@express bowling

@Mosher

@rkt.india

 

Is their some change in Ishant's action ?? Something in his action looks different 

 

 

 

Ishant is not looking fully fit and not running in well.  ( happening for quite some time but is even more pronounced now )  The transformation of run up to bowling action is looking laboured too.

 

He is totally out of rhythm and unfit.

[MechEng]

18 hours ago, Gollum said:

Why destroy your bodies for this lost cause? Just trundle in at 110 kph, switch focus to next test. 

 

No,  bowl at 145 kph even while receiving phaintas...

 

Agar jeete hain shaan se (Lord's 2021), toh marenge bhi shaan se (Leed's 2021).....that is why bowl at 145 kph hamesha shaan se....

 

 

[express bowling]

All our fast bowlers looked de-motivated yesterday due to the 78 all out. They lacked intensity and energy and some were down on pace too.

 

Siraj showed the biggest delta. Bowled 129 k to 136 k yesterday after bowling 134 k to 144 k in the last innings.

 

Bumrah was bowling 133 k to 143 k after bowling 137 k to 149 k in the last innings.

 

Shami is generally down on pace this series and is bowling 133 k to 141 k.  Needs to shed some weight that he has put on after his arm broke.

 

Ishant is bowling 127 k to 136 k and looking unfit and sluggish.

 

 

[express bowling]

6 minutes ago, MechEng said:

 

No,  bowl at 145 kph even while receiving phaintas...

 

 

 

England won a test in the Ashes after getting dismissed for 67.  

 

A test match is not necessarily lost after one low scoring innings.

 

This English team has a very brittle batting line-up.

 

78

178

300 .. with help from Rahul, Rohit, Pant 

170 all out for England 

 

could have been possible if our bowlers did not give up yesterday.

 

Now it is almost a lost cause. Still, dismissing England for 230 is possible. 

 

78

230

300

140 

 

Is still possible.

[MechEng]

3 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

 

England won a test in the Ashes after getting dismissed for 67.  

 

A test match is not necessarily lost after one low scoring innings.

 

This English team has a very brittle batting line-up.

 

78

178

300 .. with help from Rahul, Rohit, Pant 

170 all out for England 

 

could have been possible if our bowlers did not give up yesterday.

 

Now it is almost a lost cause. Still, dismissing England for 230 is possible. 

 

78

230

300

140 

 

Is still possible.

 

 

 

[Suhaan]

14 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

 

England won a test in the Ashes after getting dismissed for 67.  

 

A test match is not necessarily lost after one low scoring innings.

 

This English team has a very brittle batting line-up.

 

78

178

300 .. with help from Rahul, Rohit, Pant 

170 all out for England 

 

could have been possible if our bowlers did not give up yesterday.

 

Now it is almost a lost cause. Still, dismissing England for 230 is possible. 

 

78

230

300

140 

 

Is still possible.

Time to rest 1 of them ,it doesn't matter they got 9-10 days gap,still a long series ,need to monitor Bumrah,Shami,Ishant ,in Ishant's case i dont see him playing back to back 3 tests

[rkt.india]

2 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

 

England won a test in the Ashes after getting dismissed for 67.  

 

A test match is not necessarily lost after one low scoring innings.

 

This English team has a very brittle batting line-up.

 

78

178

300 .. with help from Rahul, Rohit, Pant 

170 all out for England 

 

could have been possible if our bowlers did not give up yesterday.

 

Now it is almost a lost cause. Still, dismissing England for 230 is possible. 

 

78

230

300

140 

 

Is still possible.

Difference is this pitch lacks grass. It had lot of movement till there was moisture and morning weather. Not much once it dried out. If it had grass, things would been different.

[Lord]

4 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Difference is this pitch lacks grass. It had lot of movement till there was moisture and morning weather. Not much once it dried out. If it had grass, things would been different.

 

they showed Indian bowlers bowled lot shorter than Eng 

[express bowling]

44 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Difference is this pitch lacks grass. It had lot of movement till there was moisture and morning weather. Not much once it dried out. If it had grass, things would been different.

 

 

Bumrah has bowled really well today. And Shami and Jaddu were good too.

 

Lacked support from Ishant and Siraj.

 

If at least 4 bowlers sustain pressure then wickets will come on this pitch too.

 

If 2 bowlers go missing then it becomes an issue on flatter pitches.

[Gollum]

292/2 and these two don't look like getting out....Shambolic bowling display, brings back memories of 2011 tour but that English team had Cook, KP,  Strauss, Bell, Trott, Prior, most of them at the peak of their powers. 

 

First instance of England's top four scoring 50+ in an innings since
anywhere - vs NZ Dunedin 2012/13
at home - vs Ban Lord's 2005

 

Need flexibility, nothing like fixed template in a sport which sees such a huge variety in playing conditions. 

 

 

Edited August 26, 2021 by Gollum