Speeds and Performances of Pacers and Spinners

[Mosher]

2 hours ago, Rightarmfast said:

 

 

What a legend this bowler was. Bowling 140+ even at the fag end of his career. What a beauty!

Seam movement both ways at 140+ and that bounce and that whippy bowling action. Unplayable. What a bowler.

[Mosher]

16 minutes ago, Chakdephatte said:

https://sportstar.thehindu.com/cricket/venkatesh-iyer-set-to-bowl-faster-with-an-eye-on-t20-world-cup/article38434820.ece

 

Despite not having a confirmed place in the XI, he is trying to improve his bowling. Determined player.

@Suhaan, @Mosher, @express bowling

Couldn't read the article as it's behind a paywall. Like Iyer's attitude and he has performed whenever he has got the chance. Guy looks calm under pressure. Good that he is working on his bowling.

[Chakdephatte]

1 hour ago, Mosher said:

 

 

Edited February 23, 2022 by Chakdephatte

[Lord]

27 minutes ago, Chakdephatte said:

 

This is the text (or am I missing something)-

As the suspense looms over Hardik Pandya's full recovery from the lower back injury that snatched his bowling skills, Venkatesh Iyer has made a strong case for his selection in the T20 World Cup. The Madhya Pradesh all-rounder scored 92 runs — twice unbeaten — and picked up two wickets in the 3-0 triumph over the West Indies.

 

Venkatesh did not get too many opportunities to roll his arms. Precisely, 37 balls in three innings in the T20Is. He is a lot more than what he has offered so far. He has been training with coach Anand Rajan in Indore to bowl faster with improved accuracy.

 

"Our main focus for him is to make him bowl 10 to 12 overs a day, whether he is playing a four-day game for MP or Vijay Hazare. He has to bowl 10 overs with intent. There could be a few technical changes in the action, which will help him bowl a little faster than how he is bowling now, plus accuracy," Rajan, who was with the MRF Pace Academy from 2004 to 2009, told Sportstar.

 

The duo had a plan for every West Indian batter ahead of the series. "Depending on the games to come, we plan accordingly. We shortlisted the batsmen to whom he may have to bowl. We try to execute those plans in the practice sessions. A few players are known, and you know what lengths to bowl. We had videos of Nicholas Pooran, Kieron Pollard and Rovman Powell. And since the ODIs happened before the T20Is, we saw the others also," he said.

 

He picked up the wicket of Pollard and Jason Holder in the third T20I. Adam Milne was his maiden wicket in the T20Is in his debut series against New Zealand in November 2021. 

 

Rajan's mission is to make him a lethal bowling option closer to the T20 World Cup. They ensure to spend at least one hour with each other whenever Venkatesh is in town. He also advises the player on his batting from a bowler's perspective.

 

"If there is a first-class camp, he attends and comes to me after that. The other day Deepak Chahar got injured, and he had to bowl one ball. It could have been five balls also. You have to remain prepared," said the former MP pacer who was part of Deccan Chargers and Sunrisers Hyderabad in the IPL.

 

Venkatesh is a batter who is more confident about his bowling to provide that X-factor. He has bowled 51 deliveries in the IPL for three wickets. "He has bowled three overs on the trot (for 2/29 against Delhi Capitals). He went up to Eoin Morgan and asked for four overs, and this time, he went up to Rohit Sharma. He has that confidence. And he has bowled the tough overs in the IPL and domestic cricket. Bowling is about aligning your body with the ball, and if you are confident, you can pitch it anywhere. He has the variations too," he said.

 

The ODI omission, after only two games in South Africa, kept him disturbed for a while. "He was tense and a bit nervous after the South Africa series. Now we know that one poor performance could change things since so many people are waiting in the pipeline. He has to make every opportunity count. Hopefully, the IPL will be good for him," said Rajan, who also speaks about injury management with his ward.

 

"We need to cover basic things like how he is recovering after a session, but most important is to be in a happy space. If the person is in the right frame of mind and happy, he can perform well. 

 

"He tells me everything, and there is communication. He knows if he has to field 20 overs and come out and bat, it can be tiring," he added.

 

 

don't want him injured in trying to bowl fast. His bowling is okay for T20 6th bowler.

 

Like the bit of him wanting to bowl.Also seems humble in interviews

[express bowling]

51 minutes ago, Mosher said:

Seam movement both ways at 140+ and that bounce and that whippy bowling action. Unplayable. What a bowler.

 

Bro, nowadays we are missing bouncy hit the deck pacers like Srinath. Such pacers are really difficult to score off.

 

Prasidh can fill this role if he gets chances. But dropped from another test series. 

 

And we need a couple of more such pacers.

Edited February 23, 2022 by express bowling

[Vilander]

That’s it … it’s game over man. Good knowing y’all fast bowling fans, mega trundler army takeover in progress.. won’t see you on the other side.. 

 

 

[rkt.india]

3 hours ago, speed_thrills said:

Wow!! If he was bowling upto 144k in 2003, I am sure he must have consistently bowled 150k in 1996-99 period. 

 

One of the fastest bowler ever.

His fastest in 99 wc was 149, fastest was Shoaib at 154.

Edited February 23, 2022 by rkt.india

[rkt.india]

2 hours ago, Lord said:

 

don't want him injured in trying to bowl fast. His bowling is okay for T20 6th bowler.

 

Like the bit of him wanting to bowl.Also seems humble in interviews

He has the build to bowl faster, needs a stronger action.

[rkt.india]

3 hours ago, Chakdephatte said:

https://sportstar.thehindu.com/cricket/venkatesh-iyer-set-to-bowl-faster-with-an-eye-on-t20-world-cup/article38434820.ece

 

Despite not having a confirmed place in the XI, he is trying to improve his bowling. Determined player.

@Suhaan, @Mosher, @express bowling

Anand Rajan was one uncapped fast bowler who had cleaned up Gayle in IPL at his best. 

[Lord]

5 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

He has the build to bowl faster, needs a stronger action.

Pandya has it too I guess, but it can lead to injuries

[rkt.india]

4 minutes ago, Lord said:

Pandya has it too I guess, but it can lead to injuries

Pandya's musculoskeletal is too slender. Pandya also had technical issue in his bowling action i.e. lateral flexion 

[Mosher]

Kumara 146.

[Mosher]

Kumara 147.8, 147.4 

[Adamant]

Kumaras pace tells us that no one should care about speed until it comes with skills and control. 

[maniac]

Any videos of Eden Apple? @Mosher

 

Need to see if he passes the eye test 

 

Hearing too many good  things (so far) about him.

[Mosher]

7 hours ago, maniac said:

Any videos of Eden Apple? @Mosher

 

Need to see if he passes the eye test 

 

Hearing too many good  things (so far) about him.

You can watch his bowling in this highlights package. He bounces out one of the Gujarat batsman.

 

https://www.hotstar.com/in/sports/cricket/ranji-trophy/gujarat-vs-kerala-m705060/match-clips/highlights-guj-survive-early-wobble/1540013019

[Jay]

Phasst phaasst. Phaast this. Phassst that. Speed gun effect. 

 

Lmao * off. Not one single from these phasst *ets were effective. You can't bowl hostile and intimidating balls, then speed is useless. You need to be able to hurt batsmen or intimidate them with short pitch bouncer/yorker toe crushers. Neither Pakistanistan or Sri Lankas can do it. Yea shaheen can fluke some yorkers but he is not intimidating at all. No hostile spells. 

 

Learn from Indian test cricket. 

[express bowling]

15 hours ago, Jay said:

Phasst phaasst. Phaast this. Phassst that. Speed gun effect. 

 

You can't bowl hostile and intimidating balls, then speed is useless. You need to be able to hurt batsmen or intimidate them with short pitch bouncer/yorker toe crushers.

 

What you are saying is nicely demonstrated by Umesh Yadav's career.

 

When he used to bowl 140 k to 150 k regularly ( during 2011 to mid 2017 ) he did not have a good bouncer or rising short ball. And he lacked accuracy too. 

 

He developed a good short ball from early 2017 but soon started bowling 135-145  And he bowls 132-142 from.2021 onwards.

 

During this later phase he had a killer short ball which hurt batsmen. 

 

And because he had become more accurate, his skiddy stump directed balls hurried batsmen more in the 2017 to 2020 phase than they did during his top speed phase. 

 

Now he is at times becoming too slow to hurry batsmen.

 

So, for batsmen to feel pace and hostility ... an optimum mix of pace, bounce and accuracy is needed. 

 

You have raised a great point !

Edited February 25, 2022 by express bowling

[Jay]

9 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

What you are saying is nicely demonstrated by Umesh Yadav's career.

 

When he used to bowl 140 k to 150 k regularly ( during 2011 to mid 2017 ) he did not have a good bouncer or rising short ball. And he lacked accuracy too. 

 

He developed a good short ball from early 2017 but soon started bowling 135-145  And he bowls 132-142 from.2021 onwards.

 

During this later phase he had a killer short ball which hurt batsmen. 

 

And because he had become more accurate, his skiidy stump directed balls hurried batsmen more in the 2017 to 2020 phase than they did during his top speed phase. 

 

Now he is at times becoming too slow to hurry batsmen.

 

So, for batsmen to feel pace and hostility ... an optimum mix of pace, bounce and accuracy is needed. 

 

You have raised a great point !

90% of icf members havent played red ball cricket at a high level. most dont know squat about cricket. Anyone who has faced hostile bowling would know its way more dangerous to face a bowler who can launch accurate toe crushing yorkers or short pitch bowling deliveries that target your upper body even at medium pace to be a far harder test than pure raw pace with no bounce. speed even with accuracy just isnt enough to trouble batsmen apart from perhaps tail enders. 

You need to be able to bowl deliveries that can inflict pain or induce fear into batsmen. You need to make them respect you. 

 

yes pace, bounce and accuracy is key. you can even be a 130-135 pacer. But if you possess the ability to bowl nasty short pitch deliveries or yorkers, you are a threat to every batsman out there. No one, i am 100% certain no one likes to face short pitch deliveries or in swinging toe crushers especially if its accurate. 

 

porks simply have no concept about bounce lol. They used to have shoaib but he was inconsistent. All their bowlers now are useless without ability to bounce and induce fear into batsmen. Halwa bowlers. i dont rate such bowlers. in tests, good teams will tear them apart. 

Edited February 26, 2022 by Jay

[the don]

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