Speeds and Performances of Pacers and Spinners

[cric_fan]

Hasnain cranking it up. Pak spoilt for choice.

[cric_fan]

34 minutes ago, Mesky99 said:

Shoaib was a blatant chucker, the hyper extension rubbish was a lie, here chappel and co doubting his action, rp Singh to had a hyper extension but look at the difference, the elbow extends forward not backwards like shoaib, yhh at point of release he had a hyper extension but before his elbow was bent them straightens, sehwag spoke about this, apparently Shoaib would chuck will bowling short deliveries, some of his footage from the 2007 series looks very dodgy.

Cry. Cry more

[cric_fan]

35 minutes ago, Mesky99 said:

Shoaib was a blatant chucker, the hyper extension rubbish was a lie, here chappel and co doubting his action, rp Singh to had a hyper extension but look at the difference, the elbow extends forward not backwards like shoaib, yhh at point of release he had a hyper extension but before his elbow was bent them straightens, sehwag spoke about this, apparently Shoaib would chuck will bowling short deliveries, some of his footage from the 2007 series looks very dodgy.

Same can be said for Bumrah too then.

[express bowling]

2 hours ago, Suhaan said:

Zaheer clocked 170.4kph in 2011wc

 

Tum daal daal toh hum paat paat

 

 

Bhuvi clocked 201 kph this year. His 2nd fastest in that match was 138kph.  

[singhvivek141]

17 minutes ago, cric_fan said:

Cry. Cry more

Discussing something and pointing down the facts isn't called crying. 
But I understand it's too much for pakistani brains to comprehend. For whom everything is a conspiracy by the "BCCI".
 

[cric_fan]

3 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

Discussing something and pointing down the facts isn't called crying. 
But I understand it's too much for pakistani brains to comprehend. For whom everything is a conspiracy by the "BCCI".
 

Yea well i will accept scientific findings rather than some wanabe fast bowling guru

[Adamant]

1 hour ago, speedracer said:

Shoaib is not as quick as wood. Shoaib is a good bowler due to his skills. Besides, you are severly underrating wood btw. Wood was exceptional in Australia and recently in your country, Pakistan too. 

Wood averages 31 in tests and 39 in odis and is made of glass. 

I don't rate a bowler just because he can bowl 150.

 

 

[singhvivek141]

22 minutes ago, cric_fan said:

Yea well i will accept scientific findings rather than some wanabe fast bowling guru

And do you think saying "Cry...Cry more" helps here ?
You could have ignored that comment and move on. But this response seems it touched your nerve.

[Need4Speed]

Well I dont remember how fast bowlers were bowling earlier so cant contribute much to debate but..I can say..all the bastmen telling they felt Shosib was faster or Shami was faster etc..

its also due to the fact that how much pace the bowler dont lose when ball reaches the batsmen..

So effectively for the express pace bowlers..the ball reaches around 130-135k to the batsmen..

so maybe Brett Lee was faster than Shoaib but he may have lost more pace after pitching or may be at times Shami could be faster than Shoaib due to skiddy nature..

I am very much sure..if Mohd Shami(Ind) would bowl at 154k..he would apoear faster to batters as compared to Wood at 155+ ..

 

that speed after pitching hasnt been trackef much..which could give better idea..who is actually faster on facing..

Edited January 13, 2023 by Need4Speed

[Lone Wolf]

32 minutes ago, Need4Speed said:

Well I dont remember how fast bowlers were bowling earlier so cant contribute much to debate but..I can say..all the bastmen telling they felt Shosib was faster or Shami was faster etc..

its also due to the fact that how much pace the bowler dont lose when ball reaches the batsmen..

So effectively for the express pace bowlers..the ball reaches around 130-135k to the batsmen..

so maybe Brett Lee was faster than Shoaib but he may have lost more pace after pitching or may be at times Shami could be faster than Shoaib due to skiddy nature..

I am very much sure..if Mohd Shami(Ind) would bowl at 154k..he would apoear faster to batters as compared to Wood at 155+ ..

 

that speed after pitching hasnt been trackef much..which could give better idea..who is actually faster on facing..

Wood is Extremely skiddy...  Hurries u like anything.  Probably most skiddy one among express pacers.  Umran might be second. 

[Need4Speed]

Just now, Lone Wolf said:

Wood is Extremely skiddy...  Hurries u like anything.  Probably most skiddy one among express pacers.  Umran might be second. 

Ok then he may be faster for batters than Shoaib being more skiddy

[Number]

 

Slower ball Patel out of T20s.

Ek ek karke sab trundlers out.

[Need4Speed]

16 minutes ago, MultiB48 said:

If pace is similar then there won't be much difference.Even if a tall guy is bowling quick it will look quick.if they aren't bowling quickly then it doesn't matter how short you are it won't appear quick.You can watch malinga(low arm) and compare him to chameera .

Ya..The tall guy will get more bounce..and is more awkward to face at pace..

as far as skiddiness is concerned..

imo..two bowlers with similar pace..skiddier will reach with more pace..and may seem faster to batters..

so as mentioned by earlier posters..Shami appeared more faster than Shoaib to some Indian batsmen..

ofc..the bowlers should be close enough in terms of pace to compare..and not significatly different..

 

how much that “significant” diff is..unfortunately I dont know..as that speed after pitching data is/was not tracked that much

 

[tapandrun]

3 hours ago, MultiB48 said:

Which batsmen said Sami felt quicker than shoaib, by that logic malinga should feel the quickest,he had the lowest release and was very short and at his peak touched 152k.

There were so many things going for Malinga; batters' last worry was bit of skiddines.

Edited January 13, 2023 by tapandrun

[express bowling]

On 1/10/2023 at 7:55 PM, Mosher said:

 

Hope to see Kartik Tyagi and Umran bowling together soon. That will be such a sight seeing 2 quick bowlers egging each other on and bowling quick. With Mohsin or Kuldeep Sen as the 3rd fast bowler. Imagine what a fast bowling line up that will be.

 

 

Can't wait for it to happen bro !

 

Really sad to see both Tyagi and Sen missing the Ranji matches. 

[Vilander]

On 1/13/2023 at 9:06 AM, cric_fan said:

Same can be said for Bumrah too then.

 

Chucking is when you throw. When you use the action of straightening of your forearm more than 15 degrees kf permitted straightening. Bumrah has never been found straigheting his arm more than 15 degrees. His action is different becase he lowers his arm close to the plane of his shoulder thats legal as long as it is not underarm. 

 

Akthar i believe was caught chucking as were many pakistani bowlers, it lowers your country and your cricket acheivements when they get caught. 

[Mesky99]

On 1/13/2023 at 2:05 PM, cric_fan said:

Cry. Cry more

Not crying at all, speaking dynamics here, hyper extension is extra flexibility of the elbow not bending your arm before release and straightening it at release, that is chucking. 

 

[Mesky99]

11 hours ago, Vilander said:

 

Chucking is when you throw. When you use the action of straightening of your forearm more than 15 degrees kf permitted straightening. Bumrah has never been found straigheting his arm more than 15 degrees. His action is different becase he lowers his arm close to the plane of his shoulder thats legal as long as it is not underarm. 

 

Akthar i believe was caught chucking as were many pakistani bowlers, it lowers your country and your cricket acheivements when they get caught. 

Spot on, arm being straight at shoulder height is legal, bumrah's hyper extension is when his elbow bone points forward at release not back, his arm is very straight before release, Shoaib was dodgy.

[Mesky99]

On 1/13/2023 at 2:29 PM, cric_fan said:

Yea well i will accept scientific findings rather than some wanabe fast bowling guru

He was called up for chucking and tested and he was going to be banned until dalmiya saved him.

[express bowling]

Umran  " rested ".

 

Why ?

 

He needs to play more and more games.