JaFanatic Posted March 16, 2015 Posted March 16, 2015 :poink: if it is about sachin everyone will be praising the article ? :hmmm: Depends on the intent and fans :dontknow:
bowl_out Posted March 16, 2015 Posted March 16, 2015 Sachin's aura is simply unbeatable... He is the reason cricket became a religion in India. Period
nevada Posted March 16, 2015 Posted March 16, 2015 Sachin's aura is simply unbeatable... He is the reason cricket became a religion in India. Period When Sachin was still a 10 year old, there was this guy called Kapil Dev who led India to an astonishing world cup win. That was when cricket's popularity in India increased exponentially and cricket became a religion. Back in the no internet, limited TV era the radio was the prime source of the cricket score. Strangers would just ask anyone on the street with a radio "what's the score?" School kids would just barge into houses located next to their school and ask "aunty, what's the score?". And before the world cup win, the twin tour wins in England and WI in the early 70's when Gavaskar debuted must have triggered a massive wave of new interest in cricket as well.
Austin 3:!6 Posted March 16, 2015 Posted March 16, 2015 Dhoni and SRT should not be compared TBH. Both are completely different type of players who played different roles within the team. Yes both are extremely successful but comparison is bit weird: SRT played as an opening Batsman for most of his life where as Dhoni is a Finisher. Sachin was never a great captain and infact one of the worst India produced where as Dhoni is the greatest Indian captain in LOI cricket. So both are totally different. Infact Sachin himself said that Dhoni is the best capatin he played under. If you want to compare, below should be valid comparisons: Dhoni vs Ganguly Sachin vs Kohli
Desi Cartman Posted March 16, 2015 Posted March 16, 2015 Inzimam > MSD > SRT > Bradman This should keep most people in the subcontinent happy :cantstop:
ThePhenomenal1 Posted March 16, 2015 Posted March 16, 2015 dhoni saved and helped win 2 games: west indies and zim. he has done much better than previous ICC tourneys where he only contributed in maybe 1 game.
veer Posted March 16, 2015 Posted March 16, 2015 This is WTF topic... Two different roles, two different personalities, two different circumstances, two different eras. No comparision..
zen Posted March 16, 2015 Posted March 16, 2015 Both of them are great ODI players which Ind can be proud of! It is extremely hard to compare the two as both of them have different strengths and weaknesses - one is like a sedan, while the other is like a SUV (I will leave it up to you to decide which one is what) .... Those who like sedans will vote for X, while those who like SUVs will vote for Y And records are meant to be broken, so hoping that Ind will have players in the future who could out do these two :nice:
jusarrived Posted March 16, 2015 Posted March 16, 2015 Of course not' date=' right from day 1 you have supported everyone against Sachin, why should it change now? Age doesn't remove hate[/quote'] I dont hate him , I think hes just overrated with respect to his contributions to Indian wins .
zen Posted March 16, 2015 Posted March 16, 2015 Since we are discussing cricketers mainly because of the milestones that they have achieved: Moving forward, it would be nice if Indian cricketers change the performance indicators that they use to measure their success. Currently, India's performance guidelines are probably based on the Mumbai school of thought which was to a great extent proposed by Gavaskar and preached by the likes of Shastri. This school of thought promotes personal benchmarks such as a 100 (or a 5-er). When the truth is that the value of an inning depends up on the context/situation of the game. A 85 in one game could be as good (if not better) as a 105 in another game. A game changing hat-trick could be better than a 5 for 120 spell. However, since such personal milestones are promoted, you will find players slowing down to get to a 100. Some cricketers celebrate a 100 as if they have reached the moon. I feel that many of the modern cricketers are victims of this school of thought as they have been brought up and conditioned to see success in this way. May be Gavaskar and company had good intentions when they advocated such personal milestones. May be they thought that this would make the cricketers work harder. May be they thought that the batsmen (or bowlers in bowling context) would not throw their wicket away as there is the next milestone to reach. But the quest for achieving personal milestones could also corrupt the game with cricketers zealously focusing on such milestones. An example of someone getting the performance indicator totally wrong is the great Kapil Dev. He thought that breaking the world record of highest test wicket was the benchmark (and may be he also believed that Ind deserved the highest wicket taker in addition to highest run scorer). From the 1992 test series in Australia, in which he was fantastic, Kapil huffed and puffed to get to that mark till he retired. At times, it appeared as if he only played to get to that mark. In one test, Kumble was bowling wide at one end so that Kapil could get that "record breaking" wicket from the other end. In that game, Kapil still couldn't do that if I recall correctly. He did that in the next game. Move forward to two decades later and there is Sachin's quest for 100 100s where he was so focused on that numbers that he got out a number of times in the 90s before he eventually got to that number, and, ironically, in the game that Ind eventually lost to BD and missed out on the final. It appeared as if nothing much had changed when it came to how India's greatest cricketers viewed benchmarks. This is not how the "torch" should be passed on to India's next generation of cricketers. Hopefully, next generation of Indian cricketers will understand that it is not quantity that matters, but quality. Indian cricketers will have to refocus their benchmarks on things such as the value an inning or a spell brings to the team's success (rather than pure statistical numbers). It should not be about reaching x number of runs / wkts or x number of 100s/5-ers, but may be in what time frame do you achieve them. For e.g. understanding that 400 test wks in 100 tests (4 wkts per test) is better than 431 test wkts in 131 tests (3.3 wkts per test). Similarly, it should not be 100 100s (a number comically arrived at by adding test and ODI figures!), but how many innings you take to make a 100 and other innings of note, and more importantly, how many of your innings have helped the team to succeed or be competitive. Changing the way how cricketers look at success could make the game more refreshing. I believe that guys like Dhoni have a big role to play in re-shifting next generation cricketers' view on performance indicators. :icflove:
vayuu1 Posted March 17, 2015 Posted March 17, 2015 Kya bhai bas L ki hi kami thi varna is poore thread ka meaning hi change of jaata.
MechEng Posted March 17, 2015 Posted March 17, 2015 Dhoni aura has to be bigger, if not bigger then Dhoni become Dhoniconda and suffocates team players.
nballa Posted March 17, 2015 Posted March 17, 2015 agreed, sachin played during a time when bowling attacks worldwide were pretty weak apart from walsh, ambrose, wasim, waqar, imran, donald, pollock, mcgrath, lee, warne, murali, vaas, hadlee. dhoni is facing a much higher quality of bowling like starc, moh'mmed irfan, wahab, rubel etc
vijay50 Posted March 17, 2015 Posted March 17, 2015 Since we are discussing cricketers mainly because of the milestones that they have achieved: Moving forward, it would be nice if Indian cricketers change the performance indicators that they use to measure their success. Currently, India's performance guidelines are probably based on the Mumbai school of thought which was to a great extent proposed by Gavaskar and preached by the likes of Shastri. This school of thought promotes personal benchmarks such as a 100 (or a 5-er). When the truth is that the value of an inning depends up on the context/situation of the game. A 85 in one game could be as good (if not better) as a 105 in another game. A game changing hat-trick could be better than a 5 for 120 spell. However, since such personal milestones are promoted, you will find players slowing down to get to a 100. Some cricketers celebrate a 100 as if they have reached the moon. I feel that many of the modern cricketers are victims of this school of thought as they have been brought up and conditioned to see success in this way. May be Gavaskar and company had good intentions when they advocated such personal milestones. May be they thought that this would make the cricketers work harder. May be they thought that the batsmen (or bowlers in bowling context) would not throw their wicket away as there is the next milestone to reach. But the quest for achieving personal milestones could also corrupt the game with cricketers zealously focusing on such milestones. An example of someone getting the performance indicator totally wrong is the great Kapil Dev. He thought that breaking the world record of highest test wicket was the benchmark (and may be he also believed that Ind deserved the highest wicket taker in addition to highest run scorer). From the 1992 test series in Australia, in which he was fantastic, Kapil huffed and puffed to get to that mark till he retired. At times, it appeared as if he only played to get to that mark. In one test, Kumble was bowling wide at one end so that Kapil could get that "record breaking" wicket from the other end. In that game, Kapil still couldn't do that if I recall correctly. He did that in the next game. Move forward to two decades later and there is Sachin's quest for 100 100s where he was so focused on that numbers that he got out a number of times in the 90s before he eventually got to that number, and, ironically, in the game that Ind eventually lost to BD and missed out on the final. It appeared as if nothing much had changed when it came to how India's greatest cricketers viewed benchmarks. This is not how the "torch" should be passed on to India's next generation of cricketers. Hopefully, next generation of Indian cricketers will understand that it is not quantity that matters, but quality. Indian cricketers will have to refocus their benchmarks on things such as the value an inning or a spell brings to the team's success (rather than pure statistical numbers). It should not be about reaching x number of runs / wkts or x number of 100s/5-ers, but may be in what time frame do you achieve them. For e.g. understanding that 400 test wks in 100 tests (4 wkts per test) is better than 431 test wkts in 131 tests (3.3 wkts per test). Similarly, it should not be 100 100s (a number comically arrived at by adding test and ODI figures!), but how many innings you take to make a 100 and other innings of note, and more importantly, how many of your innings have helped the team to succeed or be competitive. Changing the way how cricketers look at success could make the game more refreshing. I believe that guys like Dhoni have a big role to play in re-shifting next generation cricketers' view on performance indicators. :icflove: Yeah, I remember how Kapil Dev struggled badly to break Hadlees record I believe. It was terrible to see a bowler in decline huffing and puffing to get a wicket like Dodda Ganesh.
Number Posted March 17, 2015 Posted March 17, 2015 I think MSD can match his stature in ODIs. But in tests he is ranks and ranks below Sachin. Hence will hardly get any respect from top cricketers and cricket fans across the world. I can't imagine MSD getting the same farewell which Sachin got from all over the cricketing world when he retired.
Yoda-esque Posted March 17, 2015 Posted March 17, 2015 I think MSD can match his stature in ODIs. But in tests he is ranks and ranks below Sachin. Hence will hardly get any respect from top cricketers and cricket fans across the world. I can't imagine MSD getting the same farewell which Sachin got from all over the cricketing world when he retired. In sachins case , it was a case of why not instead of why.. MSD retired from tests at the right time as sure as he will from ODIs.'Be rest assured about the respect he will get...
Sonix768 Posted March 17, 2015 Posted March 17, 2015 Never knew that you can compare auras and impact with statistics..
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