Rabada vs Amir

[Vilander]

6 hours ago, sandeep said:

Rabada just took a 10-fer and averages in the teens at home.   Has Shami taken a 10-fer anywhere yet?

 

Don't get me wrong, I believe a fully fit Shami is world class and bound to address this sooner rather than later. But he hasn't really taken wickets in bunches yet.  

What about Amir ?

[sandeep]

30 minutes ago, Vilander said:

What about Amir ?

what about him?  IIRC Shami averages 8 runs fewer per test wicket than him in the last 2 years or something like that.  That says it all.  As the great Bill Parcells said - "You are, what your record says you are".    

 

 

Shami averages 24 per wicket, SR of 51.   Amir averages 37, SR of 80.

 

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/481896.html?class=1;spanmax1=09+Oct+2017;spanmin1=09+Oct+2015;spanval1=span;template=results;type=bowling;view=series

 

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/290948.html?class=1;spanmax1=09+Oct+2017;spanmin1=09+Oct+2015;spanval1=span;template=results;type=bowling;view=series

 

 

 

Edited October 9, 2017 by sandeep
Added Stats

[Vilander]

45 minutes ago, sandeep said:

what about him?  IIRC Shami averages 8 runs fewer per test wicket than him in the last 2 years or something like that.  That says it all.  As the great Bill Parcells said - "You are, what your record says you are".    

 

 

Shami averages 24 per wicket, SR of 51.   Amir averages 37, SR of 80.

 

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/481896.html?class=1;spanmax1=09+Oct+2017;spanmin1=09+Oct+2015;spanval1=span;template=results;type=bowling;view=series

 

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/290948.html?class=1;spanmax1=09+Oct+2017;spanmin1=09+Oct+2015;spanval1=span;template=results;type=bowling;view=series

 

 

 

Precisely...Amir is junk.

[sarcastic]

10 hours ago, Rightarmfast said:

Ishant is honestly way better than Amir. He isnt that useless.

People on this forum are just short of tirades for Ishant Sharma but they just don't understand it is not easy to stay fit and play for so long for team India. He was not that productive in terms of wickets but he was quite useful for the captains for his workhorse attitude and "hit the deck" type of fast bowling. 

[sarcastic]

And for the record for those who are not following Ranji trophy, Ishant returned with the figures 20-7-38-5 in his first Innings as captain...

[Nonbeliever]

Just because we could not handle amir in few matches does not make him better than rabada.

[rkt.india]

10 hours ago, sandeep said:

Rabada just took a 10-fer and averages in the teens at home.   Has Shami taken a 10-fer anywhere yet?

 

Don't get me wrong, I believe a fully fit Shami is world class and bound to address this sooner rather than later. But he hasn't really taken wickets in bunches yet.  

10 fer against BD in SA conditions is no big deal. It would mean something had he done in BD or in presence of Steyn, philander.

[Muloghonto]

6 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

10 fer against BD in SA conditions is no big deal. It would mean something had he done in BD or in presence of Steyn, philander.

Any 10-fer, by definition, is a big deal. It may not be an utter-stamp of domination and a career-defining performance, but bowlers don't pick up 10-fers like candy, unless their name is Murali.

 

Even if it isn't a big deal, its definitely a move towards increasing the gap between mr-10fer and a rival who is far below him in record.

 

Edited October 9, 2017 by Muloghonto

[Oldhere]

15 hours ago, King Tendulkar said:

Amir and his age like other paks lol 

 

reminds me of story Swann told . As both him and shoaib Malik played in same under 19 World Cup . Swann  is 38 while Malik is apparently 35 

Not swann but Tudor i think.

 

Tudor and Malik played same under 15

[rkt.india]

9 minutes ago, Oldhere said:

Not swann but Tudor i think.

 

Tudor and Malik played same under 15

Swann said that U19 thing

[rkt.india]

34 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

Any 10-fer, by definition, is a big deal. It may not be an utter-stamp of domination and a career-defining performance, but bowlers don't pick up 10-fers like candy, unless their name is Murali.

 

Even if it isn't a big deal, its definitely a move towards increasing the gap between mr-10fer and a rival who is far below him in record.

 

I consider Rabada better than Aamir, but not just because he took 10-fer against BD.

[Kohlifan]

For Me its Rabada... He bowls better even on dead pitches... Amir goes into hiding more often then the other.

[King Tendulkar]

2 hours ago, Oldhere said:

Not swann but Tudor i think.

 

Tudor and Malik played same under 15

No Swann defo said this story 

[Tibarn]

It's not even close. Rabada is the best young bowler in the world, assuming Starc isn't considered young...

 

Amir is a mediocre Test bowler, although he is good in limited overs.  

[cric_fan]

Rabada of course

[King Tendulkar]

On 08/10/2017 at 11:42 AM, chewy said:

Amir is definetely good, but rather have Rabada,

it's pretty clear by now Amir is selfish person, plays for the limelight and only capable of short bursts of world class bowling, then goes awol, then comes a nice juicy track and people go gaga, hype machine repeats.  

Bingo

[Oldhere]

23 hours ago, King Tendulkar said:

No Swann defo said this story 

Tudor’s was on twitter.

 

i think it was u-15 wc which kaif nd sodhi won.

 

but i could be wrong as havent got chance to check

[King Tendulkar]

18 minutes ago, Oldhere said:

Tudor’s was on twitter.

 

i think it was u-15 wc which kaif nd sodhi won.

 

but i could be wrong as havent got chance to check

Probably both saying same thing . Laughing at Malik age thing lol

[Black Zero]

Last time I checked Amir won Pak 2 world titles, the 2009 wt20 and 2017 CT he killed the chase before it could even took off, In test I agree Rabada is better but What SA need is World Cups not bilateral test series, they have won every thing in that format, but overall I would still take Amir Over Rabada unless he can win Some Actual silverware for Saffers, but considering his team's choker tag he may never even get to a final let alone winning it.