Tired of the Tendulkar shadow

[vvvslaxman]

Gavaskar/Kapildev/Tendulkar are going to be revered/admired/comparedwith  for their longevity and success. Having two or three great seasons is not enough. Kohli in Tests is yet to reach the peak. He will for sure reach there given his temperament/technique/maturity.   In Tests , Kohli has to match guys like Vengsarkar, Vishwanath,  alongwith Laxman/Sachin/Dravid.  In the limited over especially in chasing he is the best ever for India . You can already say that. 

Edited March 21, 2016 by vvvslaxman

[Brainfade]

Gavaskar/Kapildev/Tendulkar are going to be revered/admired/comparedwith  for their longevity and success. Having two or three great seasons is not enough. Kohli in Tests is yet to reach the peak. He will for sure reach there given his temperament/technique/maturity.   In Tests , Kohli has to match guys like Vengsarkar, Vishwanath,  alongwith Laxman/Sachin/Dravid.  In the limited over especially in chasing he is the best ever for India . You can already say that. 

Thank you.  This is exactly the point I was trying to emphasize.  Virat Kohli has his own special niche; carving up match-winning knocks is his identity.  And in that particular niche, he has outperformed Tendulkar already.  I understand the comparisons when someone is just starting off.  But, when that player has dominated for a few years in his own way and firmly established his own identity, the "2nd coming" discussions should stop.   

On another note, I find it amusing that we feel the need to be grateful forever to these players.  Well, I paid for my tickets and my cable subscription to watch them entertain me. And while I applaud their supreme talent and work ethic, both of which I can't even dream of having, I don't think I should be grateful to them in any way.  It ain't like they played for free.  They got very well-compensated for their efforts.  I see the same kind of thing going on with Kobe Bryant and the "he deserves a farewell tour" conversation.  Just stop it.  He is being paid $ 20 million this year to compete hard and help his team, not to do a farewell tour.  

I, for one, will save my gratitude for soldiers, farmers, school-teachers and social workers.  

Edited March 21, 2016 by Moth2Flame

[deathmonger]

Despite Kohli to me is almost already a bigger "Match-winner" than Sachin but still it will take around 4-6 years for him to become Kohli instead of new/next Sachin because of sachin's massive stats...

Just like Ishant Sharma is a bigger match winner than Amir?

[Asim]

Just like Ishant Sharma is a bigger match winner than Amir?

Yes sure if thats how you feel

[deathmonger]

Yes sure if thats how you feel

Using your parameters he is. Has bowled more match winning spells. Most of Amir's good spells have been in losses. Just like Ajmal's. Maybe that's because cricket is a team game?

[sandeep]

What's the big deal if Kohli is compared to Tendy.  After 20+ years reign at the top of his sport, Tendy is bound to be considered the standard that all great Indian players will be compared to, especially by players and people alike, of Sehwag's generation.  Besides, It is human nature to classify and compare.  And Kohli as a cricket icon is following in Tendy's footsteps.  

OP is clearly one of those, who likes stroking his own ego, by finding chinks in Sachin.  OK Bai, you are not a blind Sachin worshipper - don't need to knock him down to elevate Kohli or anybody else.  

[kira]

Thank you.  This is exactly the point I was trying to emphasize.  Virat Kohli has his own special niche; carving up match-winning knocks is his identity.  And in that particular niche, he has outperformed Tendulkar already.  I understand the comparisons when someone is just starting off.  But, when that player has dominated for a few years in his own way and firmly established his own identity, the "2nd coming" discussions should stop.   

On another note, I find it amusing that we feel the need to be grateful forever to these players.  Well, I paid for my tickets and my cable subscription to watch them entertain me. And while I applaud their supreme talent and work ethic, both of which I can't even dream of having, I don't think I should be grateful to them in any way.  It ain't like they played for free.  I got very well-compensated for their efforts.  I see the same kind of thing going on with Kobe Bryant and the "he deserves a farewell tour" conversation.  Just stop it.  He is being paid $ 20 million this year to compete hard and help his team, not to do a farewell tour.  

I, for one, will save my gratitude for soldiers, farmers, school-teachers and social workers.  

Lol you are not a fan then if you see things from that perspective, hilarious how you think money compensates for their contribution and you don't need to be grateful, you have no emotional bonding with these sportsmen if you see thing from a monetary perspective, I will forever be grateful to Tendulkar for making my childhood awesome

[New guy]

Thank you.  This is exactly the point I was trying to emphasize.  Virat Kohli has his own special niche; carving up match-winning knocks is his identity.  And in that particular niche, he has outperformed Tendulkar already.  I understand the comparisons when someone is just starting off.  But, when that player has dominated for a few years in his own way and firmly established his own identity, the "2nd coming" discussions should stop.   

On another note, I find it amusing that we feel the need to be grateful forever to these players.  Well, I paid for my tickets and my cable subscription to watch them entertain me. And while I applaud their supreme talent and work ethic, both of which I can't even dream of having, I don't think I should be grateful to them in any way.  It ain't like they played for free.  They got very well-compensated for their efforts.  I see the same kind of thing going on with Kobe Bryant and the "he deserves a farewell tour" conversation.  Just stop it.  He is being paid $ 20 million this year to compete hard and help his team, not to do a farewell tour.  

I, for one, will save my gratitude for soldiers, farmers, school-teachers and social workers.  

If you measure everything by money then why even watch the match? Just check the scorecards after each game and rejoice after each victory. Why are you wasting time on a cricket forum instead of going to an army forum, signing up for army yourself, studying how farmers can do better? 

 

 

[New guy]

Do you expect me to give u a negative score beacuse u dont agree withwith my view, it's a view opinion, n its childish to react to a view which is based on perspective n in this case stats, Tendulkar had some good batters in his team n he wasnt only one, Ganguly, Sehwag, Yuvi was there, Azhar, Cheeka initially, Kohli has far outscored

Tendolkar in terms of 100s, big ones , look at nu!her of games played n 100 score percentage xompare, look at his penchant for big 100, also look at his Ave, the othe way round if u have a great batting lineup then chances of someone scoring also gets higher, like thy said WI greats couldve got more wkts but for them having 4 greats bowling at same time

Why just Kohli even Dhoni is better ODi player then Tendulkar if you look at his matc winning quality and batting lower is more difficult then when using the field initially in power play

To me 

Virat

Dhoni

Tendulkar

Ganguly, Rohit

Sehwag

In order of valuable ODi players

Sachin scored his first 100 after match 79 when he was sent upfront. After that, his % of score is not much different from Kohli, he was the same run scoring phenomenon and he averages very similar to Kohli

Sachin's win % went much higher after Sehwag and Yuvi joined. What are you talking about big 100s? Kohli hasn't crossed 150 yet.

What exactly is this "match-winning" quality you talk about?

I really want to see what facts you are talking about

Also, you cannot see the average at the peak of someone's career and say he has surpassed someone who has retired. Sachin at his peak averaged over 50 and over 60 in tests. But that is not his final average nor will this be Kohli's final average. You cannot surpass a 21 year career with 5 years. That is not how it works. 

 

[bulbul]

^ abey Bhakth so ja

[Brainfade]

If you measure everything by money then why even watch the match? Just check the scorecards after each game and rejoice after each victory. Why are you wasting time on a cricket forum instead of going to an army forum, signing up for army yourself, studying how farmers can do better? 

 

 

I do study how farmers can do better.  :-)

[Brainfade]

Some major jazbaathi going on in this thread.  You pay money, you watch the match, they entertain you, you admire their skills, they get paid, everyone is happy, end of transaction.  These guys are not doing any service to humanity by their on-field accomplishments.  They are a bunch of highly skilled individuals who deserve our admiration, not eternal gratitude.  

[Ultimate_Game]

Sachin scored his first 100 after match 79 when he was sent upfront. After that, his % of score is not much different from Kohli, he was the same run scoring phenomenon and he averages very similar to Kohli

Sachin's win % went much higher after Sehwag and Yuvi joined. What are you talking about big 100s? Kohli hasn't crossed 150 yet.

What exactly is this "match-winning" quality you talk about?

I really want to see what facts you are talking about

Also, you cannot see the average at the peak of someone's career and say he has surpassed someone who has retired. Sachin at his peak averaged over 50 and over 60 in tests. But that is not his final average nor will this be Kohli's final average. You cannot surpass a 21 year career with 5 years. That is not how it works. 

 

Didn't Kohli score 183 against Pak in Asia Cup a few years back? 

[goose]

Some major jazbaathi going on in this thread.  You pay money, you watch the match, they entertain you, you admire their skills, they get paid, everyone is happy, end of transaction.  These guys are not doing any service to humanity by their on-field accomplishments.  They are a bunch of highly skilled individuals who deserve our admiration, not eternal gratitude.  

You need to find a different sport mate.

[CG]

Some major jazbaathi going on in this thread.  You pay money, you watch the match, they entertain you, you admire their skills, they get paid, everyone is happy, end of transaction.  These guys are not doing any service to humanity by their on-field accomplishments.  They are a bunch of highly skilled individuals who deserve our admiration, not eternal gratitude.  

I think u mistake respect for gratitude.

Edited March 22, 2016 by CG

[Brainfade]

I think u mistake respect for gratitude.

On the contrary I think my lack of gratitude is being misconstrued as lack of respect. I have tremendous admiration for SRTs and others' skill and work ethic. I just don't feel the need to dwell on them especially when VK has proven to be great in his own right. And there is no reason to be grateful to highly compensated professional sportsmen who are simply doing their jobs. 

[MechEng]

I actually see a lot of Ricky Ponting in Kohli, very similar personalities.

[Texy]

Yes, wonder why do Aussies keep invoking Bradman, Kiwis talk about Crowe, West Indies keep talking about Richards, Lara. They should all follow your advice. Spit on greats as soon as they retired as they are nit doing anything more for my selfish ass

Sure. That is why every Aussie still reveres Bradman a 100 years after he retired. They are all secretly Indians

Dude you can always revere people...you don't see them declaring Steve Smith as the new Ponting or Starc as the new Bret Lee. They celebrate individuality and originality. In India, that's why everyone wants to be SRT or Lata if you're female singer. 

[bulbul]

Dude you can always revere people...you don't see them declaring Steve Smith as the new Ponting or Starc as the new Bret Lee. They celebrate individuality and originality. In India, that's why everyone wants to be SRT or Lata if you're female singer. 

Agree...another example is Bengal where everyone wants to be Dada..

[Gambit]

Virat is amazing but he needs to impose himself in a WC or even other finals for that matter. Out of 12 tournament knockouts/finals (ODIs) he's played in, he averages just 24 with 1 50.

Edited March 22, 2016 by Gambit