Tariq Fatah on Aap Ki Adalat

[jalebi_bhai]

2 hours ago, zen said:

Marxism in theory is not bad. And we know that Tariq is fighting against terrorism so who knows by supporting CPI(M), he could bring a change in the party's thought process

Yes it is. Marxism considers the overthrow of the bourgeois by means of a violent revolutions/s as a necessary step. In the span of a century, it has accounted for a 9 figure death toll worldwide, hardly surprising. It is a completely discredited theory which breeds traitors and anti-nationals. Proof? The CPI collaborating with the British during the Quit India Movement (a fact conveniently omitted from our history textbooks) post the collapse of the Ribbentrop pact between Hitler and Stalin as well as the CPI's support for China in the 1962 war.

 

I don't think the Chinese stooges in the CPI(M) will listen to Fatah. 

 

You might want to watch this video:

 

 

[zen]

38 minutes ago, jalebi_bhai said:

Yes it is. Marxism considers the overthrow of the bourgeois by means of a violent revolutions/s as a necessary step. In the span of a century, it has accounted for a 9 figure death toll worldwide, hardly surprising. It is a completely discredited theory which breeds traitors and anti-nationals. Proof? The CPI collaborating with the British during the Quit India Movement (a fact conveniently omitted from our history textbooks) post the collapse of the Ribbentrop pact between Hitler and Stalin as well as the CPI's support for China in the 1962 war.

 

I don't think the Chinese stooges in the CPI(M) will listen to Fatah. 

 

You might want to watch this video:

 

 

There are pros and cons of every philosophy. If we think linerely, we may not always find the best answer 

 

For example, capatalists could argue that reducing taxes is good for economy. While socialists could argue that more taxes would fund more social programs that would benefit the society

 

Thinking linerely, reducing tax to 0% is not good for economy as 0% tax means 0 income for govt. Now if we impose 100% tax, it is still 0 income for the govt as individuals/corporate will not be motivated to contribute as whatever they earn, the govt takes it away

 

The solution tends to be somewhere in between, ideally a point that optimizes revenues for the govt as well as provide motivation for individuals/corporates to continue to produce to earn sufficiently 

 

Also note that there is a slight difference among Marxism, Socialism and Communism as mentioned here - Link

 

I ll watch the video when I have the time. I guess, it would be about how someone exploited the "system" to infer that the system itself is bad

[chewy]

9 hours ago, randomGuy said:

he says he was jailed when he was in Pak.

 

opportunist people normally doesn't have to go to jail . opportunist people also normally don't make as many enemies as Tarik Fateh as made.\

 

For me, he is an honest and enthusiastic guy. though I reserve the right the disagree with him on certain things.

He is good for Indian TV because of his anti-pakistan stance and comes across as guy calling for reform any Islam, but on the latter he always honey coats it without ever being direct (and unsurprisingly very critical of non-sunni muslim sects-shias, ahmadiyas, etc.) ...probably out of fear being murdered by extremists, even on Times Now - News Hour he only attacks Pakistan and their leaders but never the role of religion plays behind pakistan. If Goswami does a show on linking Islamic extremist and Sunni sect, Tarek Fatah will disappear in a flash from all Indian channels. 

 

Though I am happy as long he remains on TV and social media bashing and exposing Pakistan.

[Vilander]

11 hours ago, chewy said:

Couldn't agree more, this guy is an opportunist, He is good for Indian media and he obviously makes money from his India popularity

 

 

he has been like this from before the time Indian media started their love affair.

[zen]

 

 

[jalebi_bhai]

2 hours ago, zen said:

There are pros and cons of every philosophy. If we think linerely, we may not always find the best answer 

 

For example, capatalists could argue that reducing taxes is good for economy. While socialists could argue that more taxes would fund more social programs that would benefit the society

 

Thinking linerely, reducing tax to 0% is not good for economy as 0% tax means 0 income for govt. Now if we impose 100% tax, it is still 0 income for the govt as individuals/corporate will not be motivated to contribute as whatever they earn, the govt takes it away

 

The solution tends to be somewhere in between, ideally a point that optimizes revenues for the govt as well as provide motivation for individuals/corporates to continue to produce to earn sufficiently 

 

Also note that there is a slight difference among Marxism, Socialism and Communism as mentioned here - Link

 

I ll watch the video when I have the time. I guess, it would be about how someone exploited the "system" to infer that the system itself is bad

I agree with your points. I myself don't adhere to either of the isms in absolute terms. For instance, I definitely believe every society needs a certain element/s of social welfarism (especially in a country like India that has been subject to a millenium of invasions) to it but at the same time I also believe that profit and propriety are two incredibly key motivators for people. Without the incentive of profit or private ownership, people will simply not care about going the extra mile, eventually leading to arrested development. 

 

Honestly, both isms are just divergent off-shoots of Hegelian thought. Hegelian concepts were not necessarily new to Indic civilization either. We've had the Charvaka school of thought in India, which is more or less based on materialism, centuries before Marx or Engles were even born.

 

Most ideologies though are too categorical for my liking whereas I believe life is contextual. 

 

And yes, I'm aware of the differences between Socialism, Communism and Marxism. Socialism is a precursor to Communism, which itself is preceded by Capitalism, feudal societies and primitive societies.   

 

Now back to the topic at hand. Fatah's support for Indian Communists irks me because I'm quite sure he's aware of their horrible antics. Whether it be the systematic destruction of industry in West Bengal and Kerala, innovating the art of capturing poll booths and rigging elections, senseless murder of political opponents or the systematic subversion of our national history to denigrate Indic civilization by Marxist historians; if despite being aware of all this he still thinks that Marxism is the solution, then I have serious reservations about his motives. He is, however, entitled to hold his beliefs. 

 

I personally enjoy his Pakistani bashing a lot but I would ask people to remain vigilant.    

 

PS: Take your time watching the Bezmenov video. It is really eye opening. 

[maniac]

I am not a fan....You can have a different view without being too patronizing...too much sugar leaves a bad taste.

 

Can't trust this guy.....feel like he is pandering to a certain section and patronizing....no valid arguments and not someone that can be trustworthy.

 

 

[Kumara]

Yes I have Seen Taraq fateh Show with Rajat Sharma....Its Was Awesome and very interesting

 

[rkt.india]

On 10/11/2016 at 11:15 PM, maniac said:

I am not a fan....You can have a different view without being too patronizing...too much sugar leaves a bad taste.

 

Can't trust this guy.....feel like he is pandering to a certain section and patronizing....no valid arguments and not someone that can be trustworthy.

 

 

yes but this has been his stance for a long time now.

[coffee_rules]

He is to Pak what Sitaram Yachuri is for India, or Arundhati Roy. India hating, Pak loving leftist whores. I think we should exchange pinko leftisis across the border. Fatah for Roy.

16 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

 

Edited October 16, 2016 by coffee_rules

[Tibarn]

There seems to be a memo out to INC spokespeople to begin attacking Fatah. Over the last few days both Manish Tiwari and Priyanka Chaturvedi has started attacking him on twitter.