Is BK a viable test option

[Samcric]

54 minutes ago, Vilander said:

Bk is good in grassy tracks with overcast swing aiding conditions very good if you add a new ball to it.   He is average if one of the above is not available. He is useless if none is available.

And on what data do you make those claims? That one tour of Australia? At least give the guy fair number of chances to show how capable he is on Indian tracks. 

[sandeep]

18 minutes ago, Samcric said:

And on what data do you make those claims? That one tour of Australia? At least give the guy fair number of chances to show how capable he is on Indian tracks. 

Exactly.  That tour, he had just come back from his first serious injury - you can't just gloss over that fact.  And even in the current test - I will agree that he did not bowl anywhere near his best in the first innings.  Inspite of that, he had a very close leg-before that went in the batsman's favor due to "umpire's call", and got an edge ballooned up early that did not go to hand.  And in the second innings, he promptly nipped out a wicket with the new ball.  You can fairly say that he out-bowled Umesh Yadav on a flat track.   

 

Again, I agree that Yadav has improved a lot, and on non-spinning flat tracks, Yadav has demonstrated more utility than Bhuvi - but to just write off the guy as a green-track bully or a new ball specialist is a bit of an exaggeration.  

[BeautifulGame]

Bhuvi is much better option in test cricket that Umesh in most conditions .

[Vijy]

3 hours ago, Samcric said:

You missed the point which is that he didn't need to be a 140K bowler to be successful during 2007 to 2010 (when he was at his peak).

 

And yes, I was as elated as, perhaps, you when Steve Waugh was bowled by the Zaheer Khan yorker in ICC trophy in Nairobi in 2000 and India had found its first 90mph bowler (I am sure Srinath would have bowled more than 90mph at his peak but never saw it on a speed gun).

Srinath touched 96 mph a couple of times - in the 99 WC, he was faster than everyone else (except Shoaib Akhtar).

[MCcricket]

See the argument is simple, BK is a one trick pony, he can pitch the ball up n hope for swing, does he have anything else, pace, cutters, reverse to get batters out, ability to take wkts with older ball or on flat decks n the answer is no, on no seaming tracks he looks pedestrian n that is the crux, e cannot buy wkts or force unforced errors, he looks like a part timer, and are we Some minnow country that needs to play dibbly dibbly bowlers ?

Even Chahar, Sharma, are better options as the can seam n swing both at better pace, also BK rarely swings he. Mostly seams the ball.

It's time selectors look at match winning material not part time lollypop bowler who releases pressure , we have Nathu, Aniket, Sangwan, and a few others also Aaron needs to be included in that list as these guys can make things happen n BK is mediocre 80% times as that is the ave % one gets to bowl on tracks which R not overly loaded for bowlers in int cricket.

[rkt.india]

10 hours ago, Vijy said:

Srinath touched 96 mph a couple of times - in the 99 WC, he was faster than everyone else (except Shoaib Akhtar).

Not 96 mph. His fastest was 149, about 92 mph. 96 mph was the fastest delivery in that wc bowled by Shoaib.

Edited December 12, 2016 by rkt.india

[rkt.india]

16 hours ago, New guy said:

And BK had a LBW of him which was not given just for umpire's call (Umpire could have easily given it out like today, it looked out) and another which just went off the slips in his first over. Umesh catch the fielder just reached a finger tip to it

A good fielder would have taken it and it's not just thus game. We have lost count of how many catches of him have been dropped only in this series. No bowler could do anything if fielders keep dropping catches.

[rkt.india]

16 hours ago, Cricketics said:

When BK's performances are mentioned, all the fifers he took recently have been labeled by these speed gun fans as the fifer on green pitche or fifer on a bowler friendly condition. Fact is that I rather have someone who bowl line and length all day than someome like Umesh in his current state who will bowl a good bouncer and then start spraying to drop the momentum.

 

The more Bhuvi plays, the more he will start to set up his field with Kohli and the more success India will have, definitely more than they can expect to have with Umesh currently.  Umesh is someone who is very under comfident and he will perhaps not even ask the captain to give him his field as he just want to pick the ball and bowl. At that level, you have to set up the batsman and bowl to your field.

 

Have nothing against Umesh who has actually bowled well for a change in this series but still very inconsistent for me to be picked ahead of Bhuvi. 

 

It is common sense actually if one is watching ball to ball game, that Bhuvi can bowl a good line all day on good wickets and has more control on his bowling. Line and length will eventually earn him more wickets and his speed is not that less. He is still pretty quick to trouble someone with an odd bouncer and follow that up with an inswing delivery. These are some of the basics which Umesh fails to do. Yes, this is bowler's basic to bowl a short one from either side of the wicket and then change it up etc. Umesh bowls a good bouncer, and then follows it up with a wide down the leg in search of another short delivery. Dude just bowl a yorker after you have already bowled short on the previous ball.

 

Bhuvi plays 2-3 tests in a row and I am telling you that he is the bowler we would want to have for every test. Kumble needs to play him more home games.

 

 

Umesh spraying is a thing of the past, tell me where did he spray the ball in this whole series? Umesh's ER in this series has been 3.26. BK 3.52.

Edited December 12, 2016 by rkt.india

[rkt.india]

13 hours ago, Samcric said:

You missed the point which is that he didn't need to be a 140K bowler to be successful during 2007 to 2010 (when he was at his peak).

 

And yes, I was as elated as, perhaps, you when Steve Waugh was bowled by the Zaheer Khan yorker in ICC trophy in Nairobi in 2000 and India had found its first 90mph bowler (I am sure Srinath would have bowled more than 90mph at his peak but never saw it on a speed gun).

Zak could bowl 140 even in his last year of test cricket.

[Cricketics]

14 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Umesh spraying is a thing of the past, tell me where did he spray the ball in this whole series? Umesh's ER in this series has been 3.26. BK 3.52.

When I say spray, I do not necessarily mean spraying all day. I did recoganize that he has bowled well in this series, but meant how he bowled a really good ball and then all of a sudden another short ball but going down leg. It has happened a lot even in this series in the last game. It even happened yesterday where Umesh bowled all right, not bad, but then he bowled an extremely good ball to Root, and then the following delivery was a ball on the leg side and took the pressure off.

 

If he can fix that, he can be a really good bowler. But this happens far too often.

[rkt.india]

9 minutes ago, Cricketics said:

When I say spray, I do not necessarily mean spraying all day. I did recoganize that he has bowled well in this series, but meant how he bowled a really good ball and then all of a sudden another short ball but going down leg. It has happened a lot even in this series in the last game. It even happened yesterday where Umesh bowled all right, not bad, but then he bowled an extremely good ball to Root, and then the following delivery was a ball on the leg side and took the pressure off.

 

If he can fix that, he can be a really good bowler. But this happens far too often.

Also, if those drop catches had been taken, his stats would have looked completely different in this series.

[Cricketics]

4 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Also, if those drop catches had been taken, his stats would have looked completely different in this series.

I am not worried about his stats for this series. I could care less for stats if the bowler is bowling well. He bowled better in this series.For someone like Umesh, we have to be just picky. Picky because he is someone who needs slight adjustment and then he can be good.

[Vijy]

21 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Zak could bowl 140 even in his last year of test cricket.

Not on a consistent basis. A few balls here and there.

[Vilander]

23 hours ago, Samcric said:

You missed the point which is that he didn't need to be a 140K bowler to be successful during 2007 to 2010 (when he was at his peak).

 

And yes, I was as elated as, perhaps, you when Steve Waugh was bowled by the Zaheer Khan yorker in ICC trophy in Nairobi in 2000 and India had found its first 90mph bowler (I am sure Srinath would have bowled more than 90mph at his peak but never saw it on a speed gun).

Yup toe crushers. Cool I get your point.

[beetle]

On 12/11/2016 at 8:01 PM, WC2011INDIA said:

Where is @radhika...Bhuvi needs some support. 

radhika could not watch the match ....not even one ball.

[Laaloo]

22 minutes ago, radhika said:

radhika could not watch the match ....not even one ball.

regarding bhuvi, you didnt miss much. he was pretty much non-existent

[Cricketics]

4 hours ago, radhika said:

radhika could not watch the match ....not even one ball.

Best Indian seamer in the game :) Got centurion out in 2nd innings to start the England collpase.

[Vilander]

On 12/11/2016 at 6:57 AM, New guy said:

Speed gun fanatics - Umesh is so much more effective than BK because he is phast---- just see the speed guns

 

Reality - BK leads Umesh in every single stats

 

Reality - BK is the only Indian seam bowler with a wicket here and Umesh has zero 

 

If BK is not a viable option, Umesh who does worse than him on the same pitch and averages 50 this year cannot be

no he does not Umesh is phast

[Vilander]

BK is not test class because he does not have pace.  like for instance Umesh....

[sscomp32]

radhika could not watch the match ....not even one ball.

Should watch the 2nd innings of England on day 4 if there is any source. Bhuvi was swinging it awesomely. Highlights won't show much.

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