"Indian pitch doctors take their craft to a new low in Ranchi"

[rahulrulezz]

5 hours ago, OpeningBatsman said:

but if you look at the comments below the original article, you would see that, most of the OZ fans think the same.

Look at this thread. Heck, read comments under Hindustan times and Times of India with regards to Australians after the last test. Some filthy disgusting language. 

Regardless, sometimes Indians can be super nationalist and blind worshippers. When poor Maria Sharapova said that she doesn't know Sachin, thousands of Indians abused and used disgusting language on her twitter for months. 

Edited March 15, 2017 by rahulrulezz

[OpeningBatsman]

16 minutes ago, rahulrulezz said:

Look at this thread. Heck, read comments under Hindustan times and Times of India with regards to Australians after the last test. Some filthy disgusting language. 

Regardless, sometimes Indians can be super nationalist and blind worshippers. When poor Maria Sharapova said that she doesn't know Sachin, thousands of Indians abused and used disgusting language on her twitter for months. 

Yes, most Indians are also no saints at all. I agree. especially cricinfo comments..

 

The only sensible comments I see are in theguardian cricket section.... balaned and unbiased.. 

Edited March 15, 2017 by OpeningBatsman

[rahulrulezz]

8 minutes ago, OpeningBatsman said:

Yes, most Indians are also no saints at all. I agree. especially cricinfo comments..

 

The only sensible comments I see are in theguardian cricket section.... balaned and unbiased.. 

I am glad you admit this. Most Indians don't like to accept that we can over possessive and aggressively supernationalistic about India 

Tbf, it took me a while too. 

[OpeningBatsman]

1 minute ago, rahulrulezz said:

I am glad you admit this. Most Indians don't like to accept that we can over possessive and aggressively supernationalistic about India 

Tbf, it took me a while too. 

Ofcourse, and it's now just limited to cricket.

Social media is full of trolls who won't accept anything bad mentioned against our country even if it's true. There's no denying that.

Being a patriot doesn't mean you have to wear it on your chest every day to show others.

[kubrickian]

8 minutes ago, rahulrulezz said:

I am glad you admit this. Most Indians don't like to accept that we can over possessive and aggressively supernationalistic about India 

Tbf, it took me a while too. 

Can you name me countries in the world where people are not nationalistic at all ? That's the nature of society in most countries. You have liberals, conservatives, nationalists - you get all kinds.

Edited March 15, 2017 by kubrickian

[OpeningBatsman]

Yes, as I said, it's not just limited to Australia or India ... it's prevalent in most countries. 

so...

 

Edited March 15, 2017 by OpeningBatsman

[gattaca]

15 hours ago, express bowling said:

How did the Aussies become so negative  !!

 

They are trying to prepare excuses for a loss even before they have lost.

 

This was not the case even 10 years back.

That good. They already lost it before they play.

[gattaca]

1 hour ago, rahulrulezz said:

I am glad you admit this. Most Indians don't like to accept that we can over possessive and aggressively supernationalistic about India 

Tbf, it took me a while too. 

Good way to generalize we are 1 billon population. 

[OpeningBatsman]

55 minutes ago, Prince_ said:

LOL. Australia have world class fast bowler like Starc and hazz at their disposal whereas we have Ishant and Yadav in our phasttttt brigade 

I think what he meant was, on flat, overseas pitches, we may not be able to match home fast bowlers. However on pitches that help seamers our bowlers can also be very effective, as evident from our wins in Lords, Perth, Trentbridge, Durban etc...

Edited March 15, 2017 by OpeningBatsman

[rahulrulezz]

7 minutes ago, gattaca said:

Good way to generalize we are 1 billon population. 

It is true.

Tbf nationalism is actually not a bad idea for a country like India. It's just that we don't need to become ultra nationalistic. 

India is a country of countries. Each state has his own language, gods, food, culture,looks etc. If it wasn't for nationalism, we learnt nothing from our history against Mughals and Britishers. 

 

Pakistan is the opposite of us. Replace nationalistic with ultra religious. They have a statement against Israel noted on their passports even though Israel don't even give a crap about Pakistan and even cares if Pakistan exists or not. With Pakistanis, say anything about Pakistan, they can hear it, but say anything about Islam, they will talk about chopping your head. No wonder why they are in a mess and cry about every Muslim issues like Palestine, Kashmir, Rohingya. No wonder why Mughals were always united against the locals. They always played the religion card. 

 

[jalebi_bhai]

14 minutes ago, rahulrulezz said:

It is true.

Tbf nationalism is actually not a bad idea for a country like India. It's just that we don't need to become ultra nationalistic. 

India is a country of countries. Each state has his own language, gods, food, culture,looks etc. If it wasn't for nationalism, we learnt nothing from our history against Mughals and Britishers. 

 

Pakistan is the opposite of us. Replace nationalistic with ultra religious. They have a statement against Israel noted on their passports even though Israel don't even give a crap about Pakistan and even cares if Pakistan exists or not. With Pakistanis, say anything about Pakistan, they can hear it, but say anything about Islam, they will talk about chopping your head. No wonder why they are in a mess and cry about every Muslim issues like Palestine, Kashmir, Rohingya. No wonder why Mughals were always united against the locals. They always played the religion card. 

 

What entails being 'ultra nationalistic'?

[~ Miss Warner ~]

The pitch doesnt really bother me at all, each country under the rules has the right to prepare pitches however they like, India just take that right a bit further than other countries, for example we prepare pitches our own way here in Australia but they are not made to the extremes of some other countries (not just India).

 

I will say though that I find it a bit rich that Kohli has been accusing Smith of gaining an advantage by looking to the box during 1 DRS decision (which he didn't take advantage of anyway as he walked off), yetttttt Kohli gets to hand pick which pitch he wants to use for each game and the Australians aren't even allowed to see the pitch pre game day, so yeah, pretttttttttttty sure its obvious who has the advantage Virat lol.

[sandeep]

1 hour ago, ~ Miss Warner ~ said:

The pitch doesnt really bother me at all, each country under the rules has the right to prepare pitches however they like, India just take that right a bit further than other countries, for example we prepare pitches our own way here in Australia but they are not made to the extremes of some other countries (not just India).

 

I will say though that I find it a bit rich that Kohli has been accusing Smith of gaining an advantage by looking to the box during 1 DRS decision (which he didn't take advantage of anyway as he walked off), yetttttt Kohli gets to hand pick which pitch he wants to use for each game and the Australians aren't even allowed to see the pitch pre game day, so yeah, pretttttttttttty sure its obvious who has the advantage Virat lol.

Lots of propaganda and nonsense has been written and believed by Aussies about the pitch.   And no, Virat doesn't get to pick the pitch either.  

 

http://www.foxsports.com.au/cricket/australia/the-ranchi-pitch-hasnt-been-doctored-youd-know-if-it-had-been-doctored/news-story/bca84fb5cae3a52b09a54d6013be6de0

 

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The Ranchi pitch hasn’t been doctored. You’d know if it had been doctored!

 

THERE’S the perhaps apocryphal story of the Indian captain who used to greet groundsmen with a razor blade.

He didn’t need to say a word, since the message was crystal clear — shave it all off.

Judging by Virat Kohli’s beard, he has no use for a razor. Even if he did give one to SB Singh, the Ranchi curator, there are next to no blades of grass to use it on.

Had these Test matches been played in October-November, in cooler post-monsoon temperatures, the playing conditions would have been significantly different, as Australia discovered when they won 2-1 in India in 2004.

By March, the heat has risen and the pitches have become old. For the much-maligned ground staff, it’s the ultimate challenge to produce a surface that lasts the course.

 

One of the driest, dustiest regions in India, Jharkhand also suffers from acute water shortage. Even for IPL games, when the mandate from up above is for featherbeds that promote a fours-and-sixes orgy, Ranchi has been a notable exception.

In one of the games I watched in 2013, Royal Challengers Bangalore played Kolkata Knight Riders.

The surface was akin to treacle, so slowly did the ball come off the pitch. Chris Gayle, Virat Kohli and AB de Villiers, as fluent a shot-making trio as any, laboured 72 balls for 78 runs as Bangalore scored 115 in their 20 overs.

Two years later, in 2015, with a place in the IPL final at stake, Bangalore played Chennai Super Kings. With Ranchi’s own Mahendra Singh Dhoni captaining Chennai, it was a home game in all but name.

Again, the pitch was two-paced, with low, spongy bounce. This time, Bangalore’s big three managed 54 from 55 balls. Chennai sneaked home with a ball to spare thanks largely to Michael Hussey’s 46-ball 56.

That was the best Ranchi could do for the IPL, and you can imagine the scale of the challenge that Singh faces to make a strip that will last four or five days without being totally devoid of life.

 

In a city that has barely seen a drop of rain since October, you can’t expect anything other than a bone-dry surface, even if it may not be as cracked as the one in Pune.

That should mean turn from day one, but if past games are anything to go by, it will be so slow that the batsmen who trust their defence have time to adjust.

The low bounce will increasingly come into play as the match wears on. It goes without saying that this will be another win-toss-bat-first pitch.

Whether the pitch has been doctored is another matter.

No matter what the Indian team management says or doesn’t, it’s not as though Singh could have produced a Headingley-like green seamer.

The typical Ranchi pitch, with or without interference, is low and slow.

A cosmetic covering of grass wouldn’t change that, just as no amount of make-up is going to transform me into Brad Pitt.

In the past three decades, I can recall four instances of genuine pitch doctoring.

In Chennai in 1988, with India 1-0 down to West Indies, Chepauk saw a surface that was more cabbage patch than cricket pitch. Narendra Hirwani took 16 for 136 on debut, India squared the series, and Viv Richards left Chepauk growling that ‘one swallow didn’t a summer make’.

But an even more blatant example of a doctored surface was one that Australia thrived on, at Nagpur in October 2004.

Because of a political tug of war within the BCCI, Shashank Manohar, the current ICC chairman who was then state association president, decided to prepare a deck that looked like it had been airlifted from Trent Bridge.

Nagpur had seen nothing like it, and Jason Gillespie took 9 for 80 as Australia won by 342 runs.

The Indian response for the next, dead-rubber, Test in Mumbai, was a surface so dry that it crumbled the minute a heavy roller was used.

Polly Umrigar, the great Indian batsman of the 1950s who supervised its preparation, bizarrely blamed Ricky Ponting for not using the light roller. The actual playing time was a little over two days, as Australia folded for 93, in pursuit of just 107 for victory.

 

Three years later, with Graeme Smith’s South Africans 1-0 up going into the final Test in Kanpur, there was no need for the proverbial blade to be passed on. South Africa fought bravely on a minefield, but a second-innings collapse gave India the victory they needed.

Those pitches behaved very differently from the conditions normally expected at those venues. For the Ranchi pitch to be ‘doctored’, it would need to bounce chest high and actually be conducive to both fast bowling and strokeplay.

What we’ll likely see instead is a medicine-free low and slow surface — the same as it’s always been.

 

 

[gattaca]

2 hours ago, ~ Miss Warner ~ said:

The pitch doesnt really bother me at all, each country under the rules has the right to prepare pitches however they like, India just take that right a bit further than other countries, for example we prepare pitches our own way here in Australia but they are not made to the extremes of some other countries (not just India).

 

I will say though that I find it a bit rich that Kohli has been accusing Smith of gaining an advantage by looking to the box during 1 DRS decision (which he didn't take advantage of anyway as he walked off), yetttttt Kohli gets to hand pick which pitch he wants to use for each game and the Australians aren't even allowed to see the pitch pre game day, so yeah, pretttttttttttty sure its obvious who has the advantage Virat lol.

Look up pitches in 2012 vs India. You prepared green mambas.

[coffee_rules]

Murdoch media ~ India TV

[Mosher]

All the whining over the pitch from the cry baby Aussies seems premature now. This is a typical flat Indian pitch which will turn more as the match progresses.

[putrevus]

6 hours ago, ~ Miss Warner ~ said:

The pitch doesnt really bother me at all, each country under the rules has the right to prepare pitches however they like, India just take that right a bit further than other countries, for example we prepare pitches our own way here in Australia but they are not made to the extremes of some other countries (not just India).

 

I will say though that I find it a bit rich that Kohli has been accusing Smith of gaining an advantage by looking to the box during 1 DRS decision (which he didn't take advantage of anyway as he walked off), yetttttt Kohli gets to hand pick which pitch he wants to use for each game and the Australians aren't even allowed to see the pitch pre game day, so yeah, pretttttttttttty sure its obvious who has the advantage Virat lol.

look back in history how Aussies prepared pitches to negate Windies fast bowlers. Have you heard any complaints from sub continent teams when green pitches are rolled for them . so why is it ok for Aussies/Non sub continent teams  to moan about pitches here.

[Gambit]

9 minutes ago, putrevus said:

look back in history how Aussies prepared pitches to negate Windies fast bowlers. Have you heard any complaints from sub continent teams when green pitches are rolled for them . so why is it ok for Aussies/Non sub continent teams  to moan about pitches here.

Never heard of that before. Any links? On the contrary, they let Perth, Brisbane, Sydney and MCG retain their individual characteristics for all those series'.

[~ Miss Warner ~]

2 hours ago, putrevus said:

look back in history how Aussies prepared pitches to negate Windies fast bowlers. Have you heard any complaints from sub continent teams when green pitches are rolled for them . so why is it ok for Aussies/Non sub continent teams  to moan about pitches here.

What are you on about? We never prepared pitches to negate them, I've seen quotes from Brian Lara saying his bowlers loved touring Australia because of the great bouncy wickets lol.

[putrevus]

7 minutes ago, ~ Miss Warner ~ said:

What are you on about? We never prepared pitches to negate them, I've seen quotes from Brian Lara saying his bowlers loved touring Australia because of the great bouncy wickets lol.

Allan Border won a test against WI by picking up 12 wickets , so did Bob  Holland. what were those pitches?

when Border of all people picks up 12 wickets what is that pitch?