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Can we rest Umesh,Jadeja and for Bhuvi and Kuldeep for dead rubber test

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Jadeja has been suspended by the ICC for the 3rd test.... 

 

1. Rahul

2. Rohit

3. Pujara

4. Kohli

5. Rahane

6. Ashwin

7. Pandya

8. Saha

9. Kuldeep

10. Bhuvi

11. Shami

 

-- I will play Rahul, Shami and Pandya as they are either coming back from injury or are new to tests and need match practice ( As @Soorma Bhopali said above )

 

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The only way a win against SL will have any significance at this point is to have Lord Rohit and Lord Ishant and perhaps also bring in Lords Vinay Koomaar and Binny from India and play them in the side and still manage to win the game.

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LOL... looks like ICC has heard the plight of Indian fans and decided to 'rest' Jadeja for one match and give a chance to Kuldeep. We should play the following team next match -

 

Rahul

Dhawan

Pujara

Kohli

Rahane

Pandya

Saha

Ashwin

Kuldeep

Shami

Umesh

 

Jadeja is a big loss but I believe Kuldeep is capable enough to cover for him.

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1 minute ago, vvvslaxman said:

If that is the case fine. But resting players in Tests don't send the right message. 

 

Developing bench strength is important too.

 

And it can only be done in dead rubber matches against weak teams.

 

Otherwise, if there is an injury, the team will be forced to field a rookie or an out-of-touch player.

 

Moreover, there are usually a couple of replaceable floaters anyway.

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32 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Developing bench strength is important too.

 

And it can only be done in dead rubber matches against weak teams.

 

Otherwise, if there is an injury, the team will be forced to field a rookie or an out-of-touch player.

 

Moreover, there are usually a couple of replaceable floaters anyway.

Pandya is the only floater i can think of right now. As much as he can be a good future all rounder, he is not much of use on these pitches especially when your captain hardly uses you. I would replace him with Bhuvi. Right now Ashwin/Saha all 3 can bat okay against a rubbish SL attack. Shami hardly gets to play any tests as he frequently goes missing in the Tests due to Injuries. Also Umesh is turning into a fantastic fast bowling machine for us. He should never miss any tests. More he plays the better. 

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9 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Pandya is the only floater i can think of right now. As much as he can be a good future all rounder, he is not much of use on these pitches especially when your captain hardly uses you. I would replace him with Bhuvi. Right now Ashwin/Saha all 3 can bat okay against a rubbish SL attack. Shami hardly gets to play any tests as he frequently goes missing in the Tests due to Injuries. Also Umesh is turning into a fantastic fast bowling machine for us. He should never miss any tests. More he plays the better. 

Dhawan is a floater too.

 

The team wants to play Pandya in SA and he needs all the practice he can get in actual test matches.  Today, we saw him bowl 15 overs and take 2 wickets ( more overs and wickets than the 2 other quicks ). It will be even more difficult to drop him as Jaddu is not there and the team won't want the tail to start from No.8.

 

I want to play Shami too as he is coming back from injury and needs to bowl a lot.  But, it is not that he hardly gets to play any tests. He played in 10 test matches last season and averaged 26.    What he missed a lot was ODIs for 2 years.

 

Umesh is over-worked. He should have been rested in WI ODIs, but it did not happen.

 

 

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13 hours ago, Mosher said:

Ishant will spice up the boring match with his antics. Remember how Ishant riled up Dhammika Prasad on the previous tour and he went chasing after Ishant to the dressing room :phehe: 

It was so funny he got close and then walked off doing nothing..Ishant did not even notice..lol

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12 hours ago, express bowling said:

Dhawan is a floater too.

 

The team wants to play Pandya in SA and he needs all the practice he can get in actual test matches.  Today, we saw him bowl 15 overs and take 2 wickets ( more overs and wickets than the 2 other quicks ). It will be even more difficult to drop him as Jaddu is not there and the team won't want the tail to start from No.8.

 

I want to play Shami too as he is coming back from injury and needs to bowl a lot.  But, it is not that he hardly gets to play any tests. He played in 10 test matches last season and averaged 26.    What he missed a lot was ODIs for 2 years.

 

Umesh is over-worked. He should have been rested in WI ODIs, but it did not happen.

 

 

I would actually like to see Ishant bowl because he is going to be a very important ingredient for South Africa, if we are to perform well there.

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3 hours ago, Rightarmfast said:

I would actually like to see Ishant bowl because he is going to be a very important ingredient for South Africa, if we are to perform well there.

 

It would be nice if we can test out Ishant, but can we afford to rest Shami  ?  He badly needs as much match practice he can get so that he can bowl 15 overs per day in South Africa.

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1 hour ago, express bowling said:

 

It would be nice if we can test out Ishant, but can we afford to rest Shami  ?  He badly needs as much match practice he can get so that he can bowl 15 overs per day in South Africa.

77 test matches and 80 ODIs and still mediocre. Is it still not enough? What to test out now? Every single talent(or no talent) we know by now. :laugh: When are we planning to move on from such mediocre bowlers?

 

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15 minutes ago, Pollack said:

77 test matches and 80 ODIs and still mediocre. Is it still not enough? What to test out now? Every single talent(or no talent) we know by now. :laugh: When are we planning to move on from such mediocre bowlers?

 

You need a tall bowler with pace who can make the best use of south african pitches and also complement the pace of Yadav and the guile of Shami. Who else is the option you suggest for? Its horses for courses

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19 minutes ago, Pollack said:

77 test matches and 80 ODIs and still mediocre. Is it still not enough? What to test out now? Every single talent(or no talent) we know by now. :laugh: When are we planning to move on from such mediocre bowlers?

 

He is still in the test squad.

 

That means he is going to South Africa if fit.

 

We will play 3 pacers in SA.

 

If one of Shami, Umesh and Bhuvi are unfit.... he will be in the playing 11.  He may anyway be in the 11 as the " bounce bowler "

 

So, I was talking about testing his match fitness.

 

It is immaterial what I or you want..... he will be in the squad.

 

p.s -  If I had my way, I would replace Ishant with Bumrah in the test squad and play him in the 3rd test.

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1 hour ago, Rightarmfast said:

You need a tall bowler with pace who can make the best use of south african pitches and also complement the pace of Yadav and the guile of Shami. Who else is the option you suggest for? Its horses for courses

Sorry Ishant is done, he had enough chances, if you think he will do anything worth while in SA you are sadly mistaken.70 plus tests is not a small sample.

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Rest Umesh- bring in Ishant ( As much as i dislike the guy, he needs match practice before SA where we need 3 genuine quicks to make use of fast pitches- Not Bhuvi as he has had match practice in the WI ODIs and not Ishant and he wont be more useful then Ishant in South Africa)

 

Two changes will be Kuldeep for Jadeja and Ishant for Umesh

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We should not treat any Test match as a "dead rubber testing ground". New players should be given an opportunity when they are in form and this can happen in "live" rubbers or "dead" rubbers. England did not wait for a "dead" rubber to hand over debuts to 3 players.  We should end this regressive attitude that new players are incapable of performing in "live" rubbers. 

 

Bhuvi should be given a chance, not on the basis of a dead rubber, but because he is equally as good if not better than the other pacers and should have a fair shot at a place in the team. Kuldeep should also walk in, a decision made easier with Jadeja's ban. I don't see a need for any other changes. Only problem with both Kuldeep and Ashwin playing is that we don't have any spinner who takes the ball away from the right hander naturally. 

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10 hours ago, Rightarmfast said:

You need a tall bowler with pace who can make the best use of south african pitches and also complement the pace of Yadav and the guile of Shami. Who else is the option you suggest for? Its horses for courses

How about the Great Khali? He is taller than Ishant and with his muscles, should be able to generate some pace. 

 

PS: Sick and tired of this tall bowler excuse that keeps Ishant in the team till eternity. 

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9 hours ago, Texan said:

How about the Great Khali? He is taller than Ishant and with his muscles, should be able to generate some pace. 

 

PS: Sick and tired of this tall bowler excuse that keeps Ishant in the team till eternity. 

Funny! Hope you laughed, if noone else! Explain to me why Ishant is in the team, and not Khali then? If he is in the team, he is definitely he is going to SA.

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14 hours ago, Texan said:

We should not treat any Test match as a "dead rubber testing ground". New players should be given an opportunity when they are in form and this can happen in "live" rubbers or "dead" rubbers. England did not wait for a "dead" rubber to hand over debuts to 3 players.  We should end this regressive attitude that new players are incapable of performing in "live" rubbers. 

 

Bhuvi should be given a chance, not on the basis of a dead rubber, but because he is equally as good if not better than the other pacers and should have a fair shot at a place in the team. Kuldeep should also walk in, a decision made easier with Jadeja's ban. I don't see a need for any other changes. Only problem with both Kuldeep and Ashwin playing is that we don't have any spinner who takes the ball away from the right hander naturally. 

Interesting point. Yes. a debutant should do well regardless of how important the Test is. 

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7 hours ago, Rightarmfast said:

Funny! Hope you laughed, if noone else! Explain to me why Ishant is in the team, and not Khali then? If he is in the team, he is definitely he is going to SA.

Because he is still in his "testing" phase even after 70+ Tests. Someday he will show results, maybe after 150 - 160 Tests. Tall and phasshhhht bowlers deserve at least 150 Tests for "testing".

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On 07/08/2017 at 5:20 PM, Rightarmfast said:

You need a tall bowler with pace who can make the best use of south african pitches and also complement the pace of Yadav and the guile of Shami. Who else is the option you suggest for? Its horses for courses

Tall bowler with pace is all good but he is no More Morkel. He averages 55 in SA. All said about his height and pace he is still mediocre. Pace and bounce are indeed vital components of fast bowling in today's era but that doesn't mean we blindly keep on supporting or hyping or defending these bowlers. Ishant has got enough chances before. Now he may do good in one odd test match in SA and book his place for 50 more test matches. Indians are generally gutless when it comes to horses for courses. Heck we even mix up formats. If someone does good in ODI we try him to make test player and vice versa. Is this horses for courses? If Ishant does slightly good in SA due to nature of pitches that would ensure his position for every other tours also. Ravi Shastri and Kohli's talk about horses for courses is just for talking just like talk of playing aggressive cricket. These things look nice in press conferences but implementing it takes some courage. 

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ishant is not that BAD as all of you have described..having said that i will agree that he is not as good as umesh shami and not even BHUVI of today as bhuvi of today bowls at 140K at his own wish.

 

But ishant also can maintain Pace above 140K at an average  and in AFRICA since a Bounce bowler is a must, there are high chances that he will be in the eleven. 

if i have to choose i would play ankit right arm fast bowler ahead of ISHANT as he is powerful or else the best performing bowler out of the INDIA A bowlers in tests...as it makes sense to pick the best bowler and dump the worst of the 4 pacers out of existing quartet.

if we play ISHANT and he Under performs - i mean picks 1 or 2 wickets in 2 innings then it will be clear that he needs to be dropped.

actually i wud rest shammi and umesh both as the third test hardly has much interest. even rahane or some batsman can be rested and Rohit sharma can be played.

if ishant and bhuvi both are played , it wud be a straight competition between the two, i bet bhuvi will fetch more wickets and win the contest.kuldip and ashwin would actually take the entire 16 wickets...pacers will need to get just 4 wickets ishant and bhuvi can do that. umesh and even shammi can relax after 2 hard working tests.

test bowling is no joke,,playing 2 tests continuously can ensure that they may underperform in the third test. 

 

 

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15 hours ago, Texan said:

Because he is still in his "testing" phase even after 70+ Tests. Someday he will show results, maybe after 150 - 160 Tests. Tall and phasshhhht bowlers deserve at least 150 Tests for "testing".

My point is, why has he been chosen for SRi Lankan tour?  It is obvious that the selection committee wants to see him in SA. Whatever you think or I say wouldn't matter.

If he is going to SA, which seems possible since he is in the SL tour, then he better get a game.

 

You can carry on with your antics as much you like.

Cheers

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On 8/7/2017 at 5:20 PM, Rightarmfast said:

You need a tall bowler with pace who can make the best use of south african pitches and also complement the pace of Yadav and the guile of Shami. Who else is the option you suggest for? Its horses for courses

Bhuvi will be effective in SA like Philander. There, you need accuracy. 

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Ishant shud be given a go in this game ahead of Umesh, umesh shud be rested

Need to see what does our 70+ odd test veteran offer , he hasnt played for long and wnt play till next series and might not even find a place there as well . Bhuvi will still play in Odi's 

 

With a huge crop of fast bowlers coming, a call on ishant has to be taken soon 

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17 hours ago, Vilander said:

people who play the best at a given point in time will play, if Ishant does better than the next Indian bowler and makes it to playing 11 then good for him. Is Aniket any good in SA tour.

That also means people playing at this particular moment should be those who are doing good at the moment. In which case Ishant doesn't deserve a place at this given point in this particular series of Srilanka alone. :laugh: By same logic Bhuvi is doing good at this given point but he is not to be seen in team. 

Everybody has different opinions. And that's fine. But be honest. Most of the posters are in awe of his height and bounce and pace and hence want him in the team for SA hoping beyond hopes that one day Ishant would really be the bowler that you guys want him to be. (Its the same case with many posters for Varun Aron time and again). But its unfair on other players. All this if he is in the squad he should be tried are genuinely excuses and truth is you are thoroughly excited about Ishant bowling. He is wrongly in the squad in the first place and by giving him chances against crappy Srilankan team you are just providing more chance to wrong selection so that he can be selected yet again for another tour (of SA) wrongly. 

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6 hours ago, Pollack said:

That also means people playing at this particular moment should be those who are doing good at the moment. In which case Ishant doesn't deserve a place at this given point in this particular series of Srilanka alone. :laugh: By same logic Bhuvi is doing good at this given point but he is not to be seen in team. 

Everybody has different opinions. And that's fine. But be honest. Most of the posters are in awe of his height and bounce and pace and hence want him in the team for SA hoping beyond hopes that one day Ishant would really be the bowler that you guys want him to be. (Its the same case with many posters for Varun Aron time and again). But its unfair on other players. All this if he is in the squad he should be tried are genuinely excuses and truth is you are thoroughly excited about Ishant bowling. He is wrongly in the squad in the first place and by giving him chances against crappy Srilankan team you are just providing more chance to wrong selection so that he can be selected yet again for another tour (of SA) wrongly. 

everybody has diff opinions thats fine you say..ok so you should be good then.

 

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