Pandya's bowling in the 1st 2 ODIs

[sandeep]

Missed today's game, and didn't see much of his bowling in the 1st one.  But numbers are pretty bad.   

 

@express bowling, did you watch him bowl?  Is he back to bowling constant short of length tripe? No cutters etc on display?

[Khota]

No country can afford so called all rounders. They do not exist.

[Pollack]

Worrying part is he is trundling. Exhausted maybe.

[G_B_]

hmm needs a break

 

but not good enough as a third seamer

 

 

[Shunya]

He was very poor. Looks out of steam in ODIs, but I guess we need to let him go through this. He deserves couple of full series even if he is failing. 

[Ankit_sharma03]

whenever he ll come to bowl opp will target him specially SA who are born on pace . 

for them his bowling becomes halwa on such pitches 

 

Its all part of his experience n learning. However frustrating it is the only way is patience or binny

[Khota]

5 minutes ago, G_B_ said:

hmm needs a break

 

but not good enough as a third seamer

 

 

Very candid opinion.

[Khota]

There are others who will succeed so they deserve a chance. He had plenty of opportunity and it is not meant to be. He can come back as a full time bolwer as he is an excellent athlete. This all rounder non sense has to stop.

[adi B]

His speed is down and he is bowling too short in this series.needs to up his game quickly 

[sandeep]

11 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

whenever he ll come to bowl opp will target him specially SA who are born on pace . 

for them his bowling becomes halwa on such pitches 

 

Its all part of his experience n learning. However frustrating it is the only way is patience or binny

People are so eager to write him off, as soon as he has a couple of bad games.   Bowling at the highest level is such a complex skill, required physical abilities, as well as the mental strength and experience to know what to bowl when, with regards to bowler's skillset, conditions, batsmen's strengths and game situation.  Not every young bowler is going to be an old soul like Bumrah, and just intuitively make the right choices.   

 

Pandya flashed the ability to learn variations in the home ODI series recently.  Bowled very handy cutters, even his version of the Bhuvi knuckle-ball.  Bowled a couple of slow yorkers too -which require quite a bit of confidence and control.  

 

The pieces are there.  And for a change, our team is strong enough to afford to give him a long rope.  If he does manage to put it together as a bowler, he will be invaluable.  And as a power-hitter in that middle-order plagued with a power deficit, he's already earning his keep in the XI with the bat.  Gun fielder on top of that.

 

I don't understand why people are so quick on the trigger to write him off.   

[vvvslaxman]

He does not have enough variations. I don't worry about his speed. But you can still be intelligent and be effective in one dayers as a 5th bowling option. 

[Straight Drive]

He is not a bowler whom Team India can rely upon to bowl even more than 7 overs every match. This is causing a lot of problems. I hope it does not becomes a issue like what Darren Sammy was to West Indies. Every spot in playing 11 is very crucial and the efficiency of every player becomes important. Hope he starts bowling his full quota of overs with a lot more justification in his inclusion. So fat the spinners have helped him to escape from this issue. A day when they will not perform well, it will be a big trouble for us.

Edited February 4, 2018 by Straight Drive

[Ankit_sharma03]

33 minutes ago, sandeep said:

People are so eager to write him off, as soon as he has a couple of bad games.   Bowling at the highest level is such a complex skill, required physical abilities, as well as the mental strength and experience to know what to bowl when, with regards to bowler's skillset, conditions, batsmen's strengths and game situation.  Not every young bowler is going to be an old soul like Bumrah, and just intuitively make the right choices.   

 

Pandya flashed the ability to learn variations in the home ODI series recently.  Bowled very handy cutters, even his version of the Bhuvi knuckle-ball.  Bowled a couple of slow yorkers too -which require quite a bit of confidence and control.  

 

The pieces are there.  And for a change, our team is strong enough to afford to give him a long rope.  If he does manage to put it together as a bowler, he will be invaluable.  And as a power-hitter in that middle-order plagued with a power deficit, he's already earning his keep in the XI with the bat.  Gun fielder on top of that.

 

I don't understand why people are so quick on the trigger to write him off.   

People who writes off anyone has to 1st comeup with an alternative be it pandya, vijay , rahul

They just cat be happy

When we had jadeja who was a good 5th bowler and gun fielder, they wante someone who can bat like pandya

Then we had binny for a while, n again they wanted a hitter like pandya n someone who can bowl 140+ nd pandya can do that 

 

Now that we have found pandya, they still not happy. They just need to be patient as players take time to mature ........yuvraj singh, rohit sharma all took a lot of time

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

19 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

He does not have enough variations. I don't worry about his speed. But you can still be intelligent and be effective in one dayers as a 5th bowling option. 

it doesnt come over night and he lacks 1st class exp to, these things take a lot of time

He ll learn with time and as they say bowler maar khaa ke hi seekhta hai

[Ankit_sharma03]

12 minutes ago, Straight Drive said:

He is not a bowler whom Team India can rely upon to bowl even more than 7 overs every match. This is causing a lot of problems. I hope it does not becomes a issue like what Darren Sammy was to West Indies. Every spot in playing 11 is very crucial and the efficiency of every player becomes important. Hope he starts bowling his full quota of overs with a lot more justification in his inclusion. So fat the spinners have helped him to escape from this issue. A day when they will not perform well, it will be a big trouble for us.

Thats why we have been vocal regd 6th bowler for long , someone like shankar or krunal who can consistently give 5+ overs and batting as well

HE wll give u 10overs someday but on some day he wont, 

Few thingswe have to keep in mind

1. Pitches around the world are very flat

2.oppositions will target him

3. he lacks 1st class exp. 

4. LOI are tilted in batsman favour 

 

 

he needs cushion of 6th bowler and a lot of patience , we have seen a lot of improvement in pandya which tells he is a keen learner so lets keep the patience

 

[Straight Drive]

3 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Thats why we have been vocal regd 6th bowler for long , someone like shankar or krunal who can consistently give 5+ overs and batting as well

HE wll give u 10overs someday but on some day he wont, 

Few thingswe have to keep in mind

1. Pitches around the world are very flat

2.oppositions will target him

3. he lacks 1st class exp. 

4. LOI are tilted in batsman favour 

 

 

he needs cushion of 6th bowler and a lot of patience , we have seen a lot of improvement in pandya which tells he is a keen learner so lets keep the patience

 

It is not practical to have another player just to help Pandya finish his quota of overs. He will have to prove his worthiness in the squad, just like every other player is expected to do so. He has 35 wickets in 33 matches which is  unacceptable if he is one of the only 5 bowlers in the team. Every bowler in 5 bowlers attack must be taking much more number of wickets, and if someone is incapable of that then play the other specialist bowler. One way to address this issue is to make him bat at 6 and then play 5 proper bowlers.  

[BeautifulGame]

19 minutes ago, Straight Drive said:

It is not practical to have another player just to help Pandya finish his quota of overs. He will have to prove his worthiness in the squad, just like every other player is expected to do so. He has 35 wickets in 33 matches which is  unacceptable if he is one of the only 5 bowlers in the team. Every bowler in 5 bowlers attack must be taking much more number of wickets, and if someone is incapable of that then play the other specialist bowler. One way to address this issue is to make him bat at 6 and then play 5 proper bowlers.  

So who are the alternatives to Pandya?

 

We don't have any big hitters who can bat at 7 and bowl as 3rd seamer.So  have to be patient with Pandya and hope he becomes consistent atleast until a better alternative emerges.

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, sandeep said:

Missed today's game, and didn't see much of his bowling in the 1st one.  But numbers are pretty bad.   

 

@express bowling, did you watch him bowl?  Is he back to bowling constant short of length tripe? No cutters etc on display?

 

Pandya looks overworked to me.

 

He is down on pace and bounce and  his accuracy is not what it was either.    You will be surprised how little short of length bowling there has been actually ... can't remember even a single of his traditional bouncers.  He was just putting the ball there barring 1 over, and not hitting the deck hard like he used to when bowling well.

 

We need to rest our all-format players in bilateral T20Is to keep them fresh and fit  ... in fact this is a serious issue which demands a separate thread and I will open it shortly.

 

 

Edited February 4, 2018 by express bowling

[Cricketics]

I am biggest Pandya’s selection critic for Test Matches but I will not say much about his recent two performances in ODI’s.

 

We have invested a lot in him and given him a run and he has shown potential.

 

I think he is here to stay till the end of England ODI series at least and then we can assess how he is doing since that will be just about 1 year left to world cup.

 

Pandya plays all remaining four games here along with twenty20s,, Nidhas trophy and England ODI series for me.

 

 

 

 

 

[Straight Drive]

2 minutes ago, BeautifulGame said:

So who are the alternatives to Pandya?

 

We don't have any big hitters who can bat at 7 and bowl as 3rd seamer.So  have to be patient with Pandya and hope he becomes consistent atleast until a better alternative emerges.

Pace bowling options were never there with us. After Kapil, it was Maoj Prabhakar who was used as all rounder the Irfan. Irfan had better success. Reetinder Singh Sodhi was tried, he flopped badly. Since then all we have is Binny, Hardik, Rishi Dhawan and now Vijay Shankar to choose from. pace bowling all rounder has always been our weakness and it still remains. Irfan solved that issue for couple of years. Hardik is struggling. Sadly he seems to be the best of the lot that we can select and we are spoilt for choice until we are patiently waiting for him  to turn the table.