riya Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 God such a sick news...and some gingoistic nationalists jumping up and down on what..Maligning the country...Rubbish.Yeah put head inside the sand and scream gloring India...My heart is bleeding for that child.How can anyone put such pain to a kid..Shame on everyone who hides behind,religion..and any of that stuff.And all those defending such unthinkable act... mancalledsting and beetle 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 Law and order issue made communal by media. CM saheba has promised action, unfortunate incident, feel v sorry for the absence of humanity in some perverts, but no need to shame all Hindus just because the criminals were hindus. Don't communalize the issue. DHONI_FANN and mancalledsting 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Posted April 11, 2018 Author Share Posted April 11, 2018 @coffee_rules not shaming all, just condemning all those involved in this incident, including the lawyers and some outfits who paraded the accused like heroes in Jammu. My grouse is more to do with the aftermath, recently a Muslim in Assam raped and burnt a class 5 student, but he wasn't covered with Indian flag and nor did Muslims in his area take out rallies and processions in his support. Had they supported the rapist murderer I assure you there would have been outrage. Ideally these scoundrels should be handed over to the authorities and law be allowed to take its course. beetle 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Posted April 11, 2018 Author Share Posted April 11, 2018 And this case has been communalized by Hindutva elements. This incident took place a few days back and was treated as a criminal act, but by using national flag, Hindutva slogans and bringing the city to a standstill the supporters of the accused have polarized the situation. Jammu Dogras and Gujjar Muslims have a very deep bond, the Gujjars are the eyes and ears of Indian Army because they live in border villages, they have always been on our side. By showing so much hatred many outfits are opening another front in JK which can be exploited by the enemy. beetle 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 https://scroll.in/article/865744/we-must-speak-up-murder-and-alleged-rape-of-a-child-in-jammu-sparks-public-uproar-and-debate A very rare balanced view from scroll . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Gollum said: And this case has been communalized by Hindutva elements. This incident took place a few days back and was treated as a criminal act, but by using national flag, Hindutva slogans and bringing the city to a standstill the supporters of the accused have polarized the situation. Jammu Dogras and Gujjar Muslims have a very deep bond, the Gujjars are the eyes and ears of Indian Army because they live in border villages, they have always been on our side. By showing so much hatred many outfits are opening another front in JK which can be exploited by the enemy. Worst fears coming true. This issue is so much politicized, it's beyond control now. Behati Ganga sab dhorahe hain. Crime happened in Jan. No action from police and then everybody is up in arms. Pakistan kaise aagya in this protest? Edited April 11, 2018 by coffee_rules DHONI_FANN 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Posted April 11, 2018 Author Share Posted April 11, 2018 8 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: Worst fears coming true. This issue is so much politicized, it's beyond control now. Behati Ganga sab dhorahe hain. Crime happened in Jan. No action from police and then everybody is up in arms. Pakistan kaise aagya in this protest? Bhai un logon ko bhool jaao, unki ammi jaan bhi maregi toh use bhi political/anti India issue bana denge, beghairat log hai. Kashmiri Muslims just like their Pakjabi overlords are racist thugs, they have always looked down upon the Muslim Gujjar community of Jammu (low caste, poor, nomadic, skin colour) and Ladakhi Muslims (Shia). No wonder these 2 groups have nothing to do with azaadi movement, there is a lot of friction between them and valley Muslims. So to see Pakjabis and Kashmiris turn this into an anti India rant is purely political opportunism. But these guys even try to take mileage out of so called Khalistani movements and Dalit uprisings, forgetting the fact that no matter the grievances 99.999% of Sikhs and Dalits will choose India over them in a heartbeat. In logon ko bhaunkne do, har din yahi karte rehte hain. Book_Worm and Ironhide 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DHONI_FANN Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 10 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: Worst fears coming true. This issue is so much politicized, it's beyond control now. Behati Ganga sab dhorahe hain. Crime happened in Jan. No action from police and then everybody is up in arms. Pakistan kaise aagya in this protest? Kutto ko bas mauka chahiye anti India sloganeering karne ka. Crime was heinous and ghastly no doubt but painting in it communal colour blaming Hindus WTF. Few days back a Hindu girl was raped and murdered by some fanatic Muslims but no one bats an eyelid. A Hindu guy was decapitated by relatives of his Muslim girl friend yet no one complained. Are those crimes not communal in nature? Hypocrisy at its best. Chale ate hai fake humanity ka dhong karne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singh bling Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 29 minutes ago, DHONI_FANN said: Kutto ko bas mauka chahiye anti India sloganeering karne ka. Crime was heinous and ghastly no doubt but painting in it communal colour blaming Hindus WTF. Few days back a Hindu girl was raped and murdered by some fanatic Muslims but no one bats an eyelid. A Hindu guy was decapitated by relatives of his Muslim girl friend yet no one complained. Are those crimes not communal in nature? Hypocrisy at its best. Chale ate hai fake humanity ka dhong karne The problem is Bar council and local Hindutva elements that threw support for accused and that's why this issue has got center stage .O/W crime happened in early to mid January and nobody cared not even media Gollum and DHONI_FANN 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Posted April 11, 2018 Author Share Posted April 11, 2018 21 minutes ago, Singh bling said: The problem is Bar council and local Hindutva elements that threw support for accused and that's why this issue has got center stage .O/W crime happened in early to mid January and nobody cared not even media Precisely, in case of Ankit Saxena's gruesome murder, no Muslim or Islamic organization came to support the parents and uncle of the girl, no one wrapped flags on the murderers and shouted slogans. In fact the Muslim locals threw their support for parents of Ankit, even his childhood friends which comprised Hindus, Sikhs and Muslims took care of the old parents, stayed over in their house to take care of them, organized condolence meets, arranged for legal services etc. Daily paper padhoge to aise har state mein daily10-15 rape/murder case to aa hi jaate hain, but a few chewts like the ones in Jammu do their akhand chewtiyapa and pour gasoline on the fire. beetle, mancalledsting, DHONI_FANN and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stradlater Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 1 hour ago, coffee_rules said: Worst fears coming true. This issue is so much politicized, it's beyond control now. Behati Ganga sab dhorahe hain. Crime happened in Jan. No action from police and then everybody is up in arms. Pakistan kaise aagya in this protest? These Pigs need to be dealt with asap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riya Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 2 hours ago, MultiB48 said: really ? then why not do something for the child's family or maybe dont eat for a week in memory of the poor kid instead of throwing vacuous platitudes . You are part of the problem... Book_Worm, Alam_dar and Peshust 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riya Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 (edited) 19 hours ago, Stradlater said: Jab daily rape ho rahe hote h tab India malign nahin hota? Sharam karo I told in another thread regarding paksitanis yelling ''how malala surviving and lecturing on girls education,bringing shame to the country''..Same delusional people here too..lets not focus on such horrific incident ,rather cover it up...''..And then attack [people who talk about it... Edited April 11, 2018 by riya Stradlater and Alam_dar 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 (edited) 6 hours ago, MultiB48 said: Kashmir has it's own constitution ,penal code ,their demography is secure,outsiders arent allowed to settle .It's a state onto a state .if they dont feel at easy now they never will. The army and the paramilitary are the only indian influences over that region and the army isn't legally allowed to operate in civilian areas .It also has one of the highest gdp and hdis in india, all thanks to the funding of the central govt ,not bad since they wont allow private investments as they are seen as yet another indian incursion.If those were the issues the bimaru states would have wanted to secede from the union . All these are de-jure rights. De-facto, it means jack-$hit if they cannot even register a case for rape/murder of a child. Quote Apart from religion they also have a racist and xenophobic mentality which doesn't get discussed often ,they are the pretty white ones being taken over by black indians . Sure. But Kashmiris are not the only racist Indians out there. In my experience, Punjabis are by far the most racist of Indian peoples. Quote Horrific as these acts are but the real issues are the entrenched divisions within ind society ,otherwise no one would cheer on such ghastly acts.With the victory of the left in the political battlefields of the 20th century and the subsequent rise of identity politics ,this have gotten worse and will continue to get worse. There aint no division in society that justifies cheering on the rape/murder of a child. Anyone who can cheer that, has basically lost their humanity. Quote Plzzzz let's not be so preachy and bring in the west to be some moral supervisor .the way they dealt with the me ...bombing iraq and afghanistan with nuclear war heads, giving rise to god knows how many abnormal pregnancies and birth defects apart from all the deaths and destruction and then back islamic fundamentalists who rape and pillage and enslave,did you see that pic of a "humanitarian" white helmet guy taking part in the beheading of a kid ? just so they may topple anti western govts puts the west beyond any moral purview, them being the most educated/developed and supposedly the most humane of civilizations. Western GOVERNMENTS have no say in being moral supervisors. That is true.Western PEOPLE however, do. Whether you like it or not, the bulk majority of charity activities, donated time, money, resources, etc. are done by the western societies. So yes, they do have a right to talk. Quote and they have been at it for sometime, starting from the arab revolt against the ottomans then afghan jihad vs ussr and later chechens vs russia and then in the balkans and now in syria,iraq ,afg, libya etc. None of these are western caused problems. Yes, they've exploited the cracks in these societies for their geopolitical gain. But the fundamental problem, is with these societies itself. As for Afghan Jihad - damn right, if country A invades country B and i dont want country A to invade country B, i will use any means necessary to screw over country A. Quote Is syria a theocracy ?ppl like assad though secular are being forced out of power for being authoritarian and undemocratic lol,as if the rest in the region arent .he knows what fate is in store for his people the alawites and other minorities like the christians ,otherwise would have given up by now. Assad doesn't give two flying f*cks about Alawites or Christians. He is hanging on to power, because he knows if he goes, his entire family loses the privileged position. Quote in the long term the world will be multi polar.yrs down the line with the rise of the islamic countries ,they will not only have a bigger bone in kashmir than the west but also in all the discriminations suffered by muslims in india .you can already see a glimpse of it on trt, aljazeera .erdogan being quite popular in india. Yes, the world will be multi-polar in years/centuries to come. USA will remain the main power, so will EU if they can put their petty regional politics aside. Outlook looks good for China and hopeful for India. But Islamic countries ?! Sorry, no dice. The path to superpower-dom in the current world is through education, diversity and consumerism. Islamic countries will never get there and there is a reason Islamic countries, universally, are technological & educational laggards in the world - too much focus on 7th century morals and nonsensical religious POVs, too little focus on innovation, creativity and tolerance. Islam is anti-development. There is a reason why Islamic civilization 'flowered' in the first few centuries of its existence - they came into contact with India,Byzantium and China, learnt their sciences and in some cases, improved upon it. But sum total of Islamic scientific & technological accomplishment over the last 1000 years, is inferior to that of Belgium. Why ? Because Islamic societies, by itself, are rigid, anti-innovation. They are anti-innovation, because Islamic societies are fundamentally anti-freedom of thought and without freedom of thought,you cannot have innovation. The only way, Islamic countries will ever HOPE to be a super-power, is to ditch Islam from a socio-political stance. As for discrimination suffered by muslims in India or the west - we are not ignorant or stupid to realize that it doesn't exist. However, most islamic societies are too ignorant/stupid to realize that the entire world is shocked and disgusted by their treatment of minorities and non-muslims, which is pretty much the worst discrimination of minorities/non-majoritarian religions anywhere on the planet. Edited April 11, 2018 by Muloghonto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trichromatic Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 BJP ministers attended the rally in support of accused? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surajmal Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 Former sickulars and current wrist slitters such as @asterix... This is how gungadeen empire is still incharge. Outside of a full out french revolution style purge of the gungadeens, continuous and consistent electoral wins are they only way to dry out their funds and shut down their apparatus as a consequence. Peshust 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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cric_fan Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 really ? then why not do something for the child's family or maybe dont eat for a week in memory of the poor kid instead of throwing vacuous platitudes .Sicko Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 Too hard to defend when a child's basic human rights has been violated. Don't get it, why they are protesting and defending the accused? The severity of the crime should be the reason for letting the law take its course and uphold yhe constitution. . It feeds all the vultures who are waiting to tear the flesh out of the country. Stradlater 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stradlater Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 IMO when it comes to children, people should keep their political, religious and ethnic biases aside. Who the f cares if worse stuff happens in Pakistan? Has Pak become a benchmark for us? Screw those Sunni terrorists from the valley protesting. I say butcher them all for all I care. But it's an eight year child we are talking about FFS and it's time we start showing some maturity instead of resorting to usual mudslinging when asked tough questions. coffee_rules, Gollum, Book_Worm and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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