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Has the time arrived to side line Shami more and more????

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Yes a lot has been said about Dhawan,Rahul,Kartik,Pandya  and their below par performances.All the while this guy has been under performing silently.

And he is about to complete a round in SENA . No..... he has played 2 series each in ENG & SAF. So all in all 6 series in SENA. The only series in which he did brilliantly going by at least stats  was the recently concluded SAF tour. But if we take into account the bowling friendly  nature of the series, even that cannot be termed as a great performances.Means 0 out of 6 performances in SENA  where it matters the most.And he has  <35 bowling avg: only in SAF of SENA. And at home and against lower ranked teams he has great avg:s .So essentially a mediocre bowler who feasted on conditions.Isn't it time to move on from him or at least use him as 2nd level or 3rd level options????? Discuss....

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Shami is probably Ind’s best “most conditions” bowler in tests. But he lacks stamina. Therefore would be more effective when bowling in short spells. In fact, most bowlers were probably bowling within themselves considering Ind only played 4 bowlers. If someone like Pandya were there, the bowlers could have managed their workload better 

 

Also Shami bowls better in the 2nd inning, which is still to be played :dontknow:

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5 minutes ago, zen said:

Shami is probably Ind’s best “most conditions” bowler in tests. But he lacks stamina. Therefore would be more effective when bowling in short spells. In fact, most bowlers were probably bowling within themselves considering Ind only played 4 bowlers. If someone like Pandya were there, the bowlers could have managed their workload better 

 

Also Shami bowls better in the 2nd inning, which is still to be played :dontknow:

When you are as old as he is, surprised he has any stamina

 

Image result for mohammed shami real age

 

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1 hour ago, Adi BB said:

Shami is just crap in England because he just can't utilise the new ball properly .

In Australia also I don't think he'll do well .these two countries will be his Achilles heels 

His fitness is his Achilles heel,him and ash are not just fit enough, reminds me of lala ji of Hindi movies with moobs and tond complimenting each other. 

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5 minutes ago, rtmohanlal said:

As of now he has disappointed  in every country of SENA except SAF .Even SAF record is hugely inflated  by just concluded bowler friendly conditions.

Which indian bowler has done great in austrilia? i feel shami he has been poor in England. in New Zealand didn't play much but will do well there. In Austrilia he has been avg which all indian bowlers were.

 

He still has 4 - 5 years to play for india and has good seam position and pace. We need good bowling coach who can help him out and sends to county i feel he will get better like ishant has gotten.

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7 minutes ago, Nikola said:

He still has 4 - 5 years to play for india and has good seam position and pace. We need good bowling coach who can help him out and sends to county i feel he will get better like ishant has gotten.

At this point, it looks unlikely that he would last for 4-5 years, when he is also less likely to bowl with sustained pace .... we may have to look for viable options sooner than we expect. This 2018-2019 could probably be his last SENA season

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2 minutes ago, zen said:

At this point, it looks unlikely that he would last for 4-5 years, when he is also likely to lose his pace .... we may have to look for viable options sooner than we expect 

All of ishant/umesh/shami and bhuvi have atleast 4 years i feel. Maybe shami will likely be first one who will fade out but all are of similar age.

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2 minutes ago, Nikola said:

All of ishant/umesh/shami and bhuvi have atleast 4 years i feel. Maybe shami will likely be first one who will fade out but all are of similar age.

Shami has question marks over his long term fitness 

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5 minutes ago, Nikola said:

Which indian bowler has done great in austrilia? i feel shami he has been poor in England. in New Zealand didn't play much but will do well there. In Austrilia he has been avg which all indian bowlers were.

 

He still has 4 - 5 years to play for india and has good seam position and pace. We need good bowling coach who can help him out and sends to county i feel he will get better like ishant has gotten.

He will be in his 40s by then. 

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Just now, zen said:

Shami has question marks over his long term fitness 

He has bowled at 136 - 138 kph in 5th test but yeah looks unfit even after that. I would say he did the job in 4th test where he got 6 wickets and run out. This test he deserved 2 - 3 wickets with spell he bowled yesterday. The time i felt he was poor was 3rd test & 1st test's 2nd innings. He wants to play test cricket and i won't really say kick him asap because he has bowled heart out while his daughter was in ICU. Someone should work on him & Umesh. Both of these bowlers have atleast 3 years of cricket left if not 4 or 5.

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He has bowled at 136 - 138 kph in 5th test but yeah looks unfit even after that. I would say he did the job in 4th test where he got 6 wickets and run out. This test he deserved 2 - 3 wickets with spell he bowled yesterday. The time i felt he was poor was 3rd test & 1st test's 2nd innings. He wants to play test cricket and i won't really say kick him asap because he has bowled heart out while his daughter was in ICU. Someone should work on him & Umesh. Both of these bowlers have atleast 3 years of cricket left if not 4 or 5.
what happened to his daughter man ?

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Just now, UrmiSinhaRay said:

what happened to his daughter man ?

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I was talking about 2016-17 New Zealand series at Eden gardens where he got 3 or 4 wickets in last innings and went to see his daughter straight after the match ended.

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I was talking about 2016-17 New Zealand series at Eden gardens where he got 3 or 4 wickets in last innings and went to see his daughter straight after the match ended.
no i was asking what happened to his daughter that she had to put in ICU

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3 minutes ago, UrmiSinhaRay said:

no i was asking what happened to his daughter that she had to put in ICU

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well i have no idea i just remember reading in news that his daugher was in ICU. Maybe was alot sick?

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well i have no idea i just remember reading in news that his daugher was in ICU. Maybe was alot sick?
You know, it breaks my heart to see kids sick.

I don't know what happened behind the scenes, but Shami does love his kids a lot.
Even those from Haseen's earlier marriage.

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1.  Fitness has not been an issue with Shami in this series.  This is the fittest I have seen him in the last 40 months.  He has run in well and has bowled long spells in every test match at high speeds.

 

2.  England is turning out to be his Achilles heel.  Probably because of his natural length which is on the shorter side of good length.  Holding was explaining it well ...  the ball moves a lot in England and the slightly shorter length is making the ball miss the edge by getting more distance to move after pitching.

 

3.  Shami bowls really well in Asia, where his natural length is more suitable ... and also on bouncy tracks with some movement but not too much like England. He should be and will be a part of our pace bowling group in the near future.

 

4.  Siraj and Saini need to be tried in the tests vs WI.   If Shami or any other pacer disappoints in Australia or is unfit ... then these guys can come in smoothly.

 

5.  Siraj can anyway be played in Australia, provided he can sustain intensity in the tests vs. WI.

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He Has bowled fine spell even today but just 1 wicket to show. Idk if will be unfair to drop him but maybe he is unlucky or maybe he needs to try something else. This is our bowling coach's job to tell him what to do when he is not getting edges. We needed Zak/Jason Gillespie type of coach not this joker bharat arun.

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11 minutes ago, prasen82 said:

At least the bowlers are decent. So something bharat arun must be doing. If anyone need to be sacked it is bangar.

 

Exactly.

 

Our bowlers have been very good in 6 of the 8 innings so far and decent in 1 more.

 

But even top batsmen have regressed under Bangar.

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6 minutes ago, sandsaims said:

Shami highest economy rate amongst all bowlers, 

 

No.

 

Overall figures
Player Mat Inns Overs Mdns Runs Wkts BBI BBM Ave EconDescending SR 5 10  
HH Pandya (INDIA) 4 6 64.1 7 247 10 5/28 6/50 24.70 3.84 38.5 1 0 investigate this query
SM Curran (ENG) 4 7 68.4 9 236 9 4/74 5/92 26.22 3.43 45.7 0 0 investigate this query
Mohammed Shami (INDIA) 5 9 155.4 25 532 15 4/57 6/108 35.46 3.41 62.2 0 0 investigate this query
AU Rashid (ENG) 5 7 72.0 8 246 8 3/101 4/147 30.75 3.41 54.0 0 0 investigate this query
BA Stokes (ENG) 4 7 103.2 16 348 13 4/40 6/113 26.76 3.36 47.6 0 0 investigate this query
MM Ali (ENG) 2 3 59.0 7 184 11 5/63 9/134 16.72 3.11 32.1 1 0 investigate this query
SCJ Broad (ENG) 5 9 139.5 36 432 15 4/44 5/81 28.80 3.08 55.9 0 0 investigate this query
I Sharma (INDIA) 5 9 150.0 36 435 18 5/51 6/97 24.16 2.90 50.0 1 0 investigate this query
CR Woakes (ENG) 2 4 58.0 10 167 8 3/75 4/43 20.87 2.87 43.5 0 0 investigate this query
RA Jadeja (INDIA) 1 2 40.0 1 110 5 4/79 5/110 22.00 2.75 48.0 0 0 investigate this query
JJ Bumrah (INDIA) 3 6 115.2 31 307 14 5/85 7/122 21.92 2.66 49.4 1 0 investigate this query
R Ashwin (INDIA) 4 7 139.4 30 360 11 4/62 7/121 32.72 2.57 76.1 0 0 investigate this query
JM Anderson (ENG) 5 9 161.1 45 390 21 5/20 9/43 18.57 2.41 46.0 1

 

 

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SRs 

 

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Player Mat Inns Overs Mdns Runs Wkts BBI BBM Ave Econ SRAscending 5 10  
MM Ali (ENG) 2 3 59.0 7 184 11 5/63 9/134 16.72 3.11 32.1 1 0 investigate this query
HH Pandya (INDIA) 4 6 64.1 7 247 10 5/28 6/50 24.70 3.84 38.5 1 0 investigate this query
CR Woakes (ENG) 2 4 58.0 10 167 8 3/75 4/43 20.87 2.87 43.5 0 0 investigate this query
SM Curran (ENG) 4 7 68.4 9 236 9 4/74 5/92 26.22 3.43 45.7 0 0 investigate this query
JM Anderson (ENG) 5 9 161.1 45 390 21 5/20 9/43 18.57 2.41 46.0 1 0 investigate this query
BA Stokes (ENG) 4 7 103.2 16 348 13 4/40 6/113 26.76 3.36 47.6 0 0 investigate this query
RA Jadeja (INDIA) 1 2 40.0 1 110 5 4/79 5/110 22.00 2.75 48.0 0 0 investigate this query
JJ Bumrah (INDIA) 3 6 116.0 31 310 14 5/85 7/122 22.14 2.67 49.7 1 0 investigate this query
I Sharma (INDIA) 5 9 150.0 36 435 18 5/51 6/97 24.16 2.90 50.0 1 0 investigate this query
AU Rashid (ENG) 5 7 72.0 8 246 8 3/101 4/147 30.75 3.41 54.0 0 0 investigate this query
SCJ Broad (ENG) 5 9 139.5 36 432 15 4/44 5/81 28.80 3.08 55.9 0 0 investigate this query
Mohammed Shami (INDIA) 5 9 155.4 25 532 15 4/57 6/108 35.46 3.41 62.2 0 0 investigate this query
R Ashwin (INDIA) 4 7 139.4 30 360 11 4/62 7/121 32.72 2.57 76.1 0 0 investigate this query

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To perform the way he has done, despite all the mental tension he has been undergoing, is nothing short of brilliant. Just during the England series, his ex wife had put allegations against him. Whether they are true or not is besides the point. With so much at stake, his whole career, a probable police enquiry, court case etc, he is still coming out and performing and still touching 90mph. 

 

Sure, you can kick him out. But not because he is performing bad. But because he has issues which are not in his hands which actually affects his performance and the team. 

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12 minutes ago, Rightarmfast said:

To perform the way he has done, despite all the mental tension he has been undergoing, is nothing short of brilliant. Just during the England series, his ex wife had put allegations against him. Whether they are true or not is besides the point. With so much at stake, his whole career, a probable police enquiry, court case etc, he is still coming out and performing and still touching 90mph. 

 

Sure, you can kick him out. But not because he is performing bad. But because he has issues which are not in his hands which actually affects his performance and the team. 

from a professional point of view , do his personnel problems  count?? Especially for some body who earns  may be even crores/year  , that makes it even more guilty from a 'performance point of view'

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27 minutes ago, rtmohanlal said:

from a professional point of view , do his personnel problems  count?? Especially for some body who earns  may be even crores/year  , that makes it even more guilty from a 'performance point of view'

No it doesnt. Thats what I said, kick him out because he is affected by his domestic problems. But he wasnt trash. I wont say that he is no more one of Indians finest bowlers. He still is. I dont think that India has any bowler, apart from Bumrah who can match him for his talents.

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Very short term stats don't always reflect how one has played.

 

Shami was having acute marital problems during the South Africa tour ... bowled poorly as a result, especially in all the first innings ...  but ended up with 15 wickets in that 3 test series at an average of only 17 and was the highest wicket taker from either side.

 

In this series, Shami has bowled well and bowled his heart out.  He is the fittest now  in 3 years and has bowled 7 to 8 over spells in every innings while sustaining pace and intensity.  Has generally bowled in good areas at high pace and moved the ball both ways.  But results have not come in the form of sufficient wickets. Happens in the short run.

 

Moreover, for the first time in our history, a group of pacers ... Bumrah, Shami, Bhuvi and Ishant ...  are making a name for themselves as a dangerous pace bowling unit which can take 20 wickets rather cheaply in almost every test overseas.  We can add to this unit in the form of Siraj and Saini ... but removing someone now makes little sense.  

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