Why current team management hasn't been able to build a stable core of team even in 4 years?

[Trichromatic]

1. Rahul

2. Vijay

3. Dhawan

4. Pujara

5. Rahane

6. Pandya

7. Rohit

8. Keepers

9. Shami

10. Ashwin/Jadeja

 

Places of all these players have been questioned and most of them have been dropped at some point in last 1 year.

 

4 years is long enough time to experiment and build a core team. However even after so much time, there hasn't been a stable team so far. Why?

 

Seems like Indian cricket is at lowest in terms of talent. It is due to FC structure? What changes neeeds to be done to unearth international level talents?

 

Kohli and Bumrah have fixed their spots. Pant is still finding his feet and it seems Pujara has also fixed his spot, although few poor tests and he can again face the axe.

[Khota]

These morons have failed to identify the problems. It starts with openers. Middle order and bowling is fine.

[rkt.india]

Because it is not easy to find test class batsmen who can succeed overseas consistently. Most teams after retirement of their greats are struggling to do that.

[Trichromatic]

Just now, rkt.india said:

Because it is not easy to find test class batsmen who can succeed overseas consistently. Most teams after retirement of their greats are struggling to do that.

Most teams are struggling to build team 5-6 years after retirement of greats?

 

Struggling find openers - ok, many teams do that.

Struggling to replace an ATG middle order batsman - happens

Struggling to replace ATG spinner/pacer - happens.

 

Struggling to find 8-9 fixed set of players - which team does that for 5 years?

[rkt.india]

4 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

Most teams are struggling to build team 5-6 years after retirement of greats?

 

Struggling find openers - ok, many teams do that.

Struggling to replace an ATG middle order batsman - happens

Struggling to replace ATG spinner/pacer - happens.

 

Struggling to find 8-9 fixed set of players - which team does that for 5 years?

You are exaggerating Shami, bumrah, Ishant, Ashwin, jaddu, Kohli, Rahane, Pujara, BK, Vijay these are core players. So these 10 are almost fixed in the squad if not XI because XI is picked according to conditions and various combinations. Give me a single tour or series where these guys are not picked when they are fit.

[rtmohanlal]

because the entire team management is incompetent in every sense. Sastri,Prasad, Devang in the team management... what more can you expect.... these are all leeches who sucks to Kohli for their own selfish  motives.No selection policy what so ever. Proven hacks are provided chances after chances.Even they get the team combination  terribly  wrong most of the time.

[raki05]

Because this team is best  travelling team in past 10-15 years. Virat should thank his stars that he faces worst  aus,  ok eng (not same what they were during 11 and 14 series) , lackluster Sa ( without Smith, kalis and old Amla and steyn). Otherwise we would have thrashed like no tomorrow with lots of fun nning defeats.

Edited December 18, 2018 by raki05

[zen]

Aus series was a good chance to field in some youngsters and to start building the team for 2020s 

 

[ShoonyaSifar]

Pujara, Kohli, Rahane, Ishant, Shami, Bumrah, Bhuvi, Ashwin, Jadeja, Pandya - this is the core of the team - 10 players out of the 14-15 we will select anytime. If Saha was fit, he would be part of the core as well. Add Sharma, Rohit, Kuldeep and Chahal in place of Pujara, Rahane, Ashwin and Jadeja for the shorter formats

 

Openers - First Vijay and Dhawan and now Rahul being totally out of sorts hasn't helped.  Team management should take some blame as well. If the batsmen keep repeating the same mistakes, questions have to be raised on the coaching set up.

 

 

[youngindia]

Players have either not risen to greater heights(Vijay or Rahane) . Or developed as expected(Rahul). Struggled with tests(Rohit.)

 

Only Pujara has a positive graph and that too after years of overseas failure.

 

Successful team building depends on batsmen fulfilling expectations. Surprised to see so many struggle in a batting country. but strong younger players will come up. Vihari looks good. Even rohit should have gained confidence.

 

Pant at no 6 and Pandya at no 7 just won't work. That's a match losing combination for the next 4 years,  They are no 7 at the moment and both of them should not be  playing.   

 

Bowling friendly conditions (where toss is important) worsens the picture.

[shortbread]

The team management does not know it's best team. Kohli never gets the right XI on any said pitch to win the game. 

 

The issue is there is no one that will challenge him. Shastri the marathi manhoos leads a pointless existence and simply wants to fatten himself and his wallet. 

[Ankit_sharma03]

We kept playing at home which mostly didnt give us reality check, all of sudden all overseas tours came together and everything went down crashing

 

Dhawan n Rohit didnt look a huge problem at home, for them Vihari n Nair n others werent given proper chances

Umesh looked like he has finally come of age

Murali vijay got lazy 

Kohli had faith in wrong players for the format and that caused Insecurity in right players

 

Had their been an overseas tour everyyear many of these wudnt have happened 

 

Edited December 18, 2018 by Ankit_sharma03

[ShoonyaSifar]

13 minutes ago, shortbread said:

The team management does not know it's best team. Kohli never gets the right XI on any said pitch to win the game. 

 

The issue is there is no one that will challenge him. Shastri the marathi manhoos leads a pointless existence and simply wants to fatten himself and his wallet. 

44 tests as a captain, 25 won, 10 lost (Dhoni had 27 wins and 18 losses in 60 tests)! Yes the SENA performance has been underwhelming but lets not over exaggerate things

[R!TTER]

7 minutes ago, MultiB48 said:

Which ind team management ever built a team for these conditions .Name 1 ind team from our entire history which would have won against sa ,eng aus in 2018.

Say that again? Our 2002-04 or 2007-09 teams had decent batting that could, in theory, survive these conditions & our bowling would likely have worked on these pitches. Are you from the Shastri thought school that teaches us - this is the best Indian team to tour S.E.N.A ever?

[R!TTER]

6 minutes ago, MultiB48 said:

Oh please ,i have seen enough of them over the years ,they were as hapless as these ones .In 2003 they got lucky  with mcgrath and warne not being there and sir aggy performing once in a blue moon.

Right, I've seen enough of the fab 5 to not give credence to this.

 

Mcgrath was injured, Aus were lucky Warne wasn't banned for more than a year after using diuretics IIRC. He was pivotal in Aus winning the India tour of 2004, as well as the tour of SL.

Edited December 18, 2018 by R!TTER

[Jamadagni]

17 minutes ago, R!TTER said:

Say that again? Our 2002-04 or 2007-09 teams had decent batting that could, in theory, survive these conditions & our bowling would likely have worked on these pitches. Are you from the Shastri thought school that teaches us - this is the best Indian team to tour S.E.N.A ever?

2004 tour of Australia - Aus were without their two best bowlers, and all our so called fab 5 achieved was a draw. 

 

2006 tour of South Africa - our so called fab 5 failed spectacularly in the 3rd innings of the decider despite getting a lead and lost the series. 

 

2008 tour of Australia - our so called fab 5 couldn't win then too despite the retirements of many aussie greats earlier. 

 

2010 tour of South Africa - what was the bowling attack of SA leaving out Steyn? Tsotobe? And what our fab 5 batting superstars could do? A draw. 

 

2011 tour of England - massacre. 

 

2011 tour of Australia - massacre. 

 

So this is our fab 5 in a nutshell. Couldn't win even one series. In comparison, the current lot faced much tougher bowling lineups in much tougher batting conditions and are fighting it out. Everything happened in the past need not to be glorified. 

 

[rtmohanlal]

 

21 hours ago, Jamadagni said:

2004 tour of Australia - Aus were without their two best bowlers, and all our so called fab 5 achieved was a draw. 

 

2006 tour of South Africa - our so called fab 5 failed spectacularly in the 3rd innings of the decider despite getting a lead and lost the series. 

 

2008 tour of Australia - our so called fab 5 couldn't win then too despite the retirements of many aussie greats earlier. 

 

2010 tour of South Africa - what was the bowling attack of SA leaving out Steyn? Tsotobe? And what our fab 5 batting superstars could do? A draw. 

 

2011 tour of England - massacre. 

 

2011 tour of Australia - massacre. 

 

So this is our fab 5 in a nutshell. Couldn't win even one series. In comparison, the current lot faced much tougher bowling lineups in much tougher batting conditions and are fighting it out. Everything happened in the past need not to be glorified. 

 

they won series in PAK,NZL,WI & ENG in 2000-2010 period

Edited December 19, 2018 by rtmohanlal

[R!TTER]

21 hours ago, Jamadagni said:

2004 tour of Australia - Aus were without their two best bowlers, and all our so called fab 5 achieved was a draw. 

 

2006 tour of South Africa - our so called fab 5 failed spectacularly in the 3rd innings of the decider despite getting a lead and lost the series. 

 

2008 tour of Australia - our so called fab 5 couldn't win then too despite the retirements of many aussie greats earlier. 

 

2010 tour of South Africa - what was the bowling attack of SA leaving out Steyn? Tsotobe? And what our fab 5 batting superstars could do? A draw. 

 

2011 tour of England - massacre. 

 

2011 tour of Australia - massacre. 

 

So this is our fab 5 in a nutshell. Couldn't win even one series. In comparison, the current lot faced much tougher bowling lineups in much tougher batting conditions and are fighting it out. Everything happened in the past need not to be glorified. 

 

So you're forgetting that S.K. Warne was banned for diuretics, a ban which could've been much longer? Only Mcgrath was MIA from the best possible attack that Aus could field, you're also ignoring the current series in which Aus best bats are missing & we're no.1 (2+ years) not Aus?

 

Wow that's some next level BS, not to mention we were one DRS review away from winning the series in 2004 & 2008 & crucial moments of that series were tainted by suspect decisions from Bucknor & Co.

 

2006 tour we were again 1 catch away from a series win, SRT dropped Prince early morning on the second day. He scored a ton, we lost the series then & there.

 

2010 SA tour - really no Morkel, Kallis? If we go by your standards then Aus have no bowlers today & didn't have any bowlers back in 1992 either.

 

2011 - sure let's forget everything that led up to that massacre & we'll also conveniently forget how Kohli, Shastri chose not to play good warm-ups in SA, England & Aus. We'll also pretend that the horrendous selection policy & nonsensical backing of LO specialists has cost us!

[Jamadagni]

14 minutes ago, rtmohanlal said:

 

they won series in PAK,NZL,WI & ENG in 2000-2010 period

That's 10 years after multiple tours, still couldn't win against two best sides of their era. This is the first year India is playing overseas under Virat and competing in every match. 

[R!TTER]

3 minutes ago, Jamadagni said:

That's 10 years after multiple tours, still couldn't win against two best sides of their era. This is the first year India is playing overseas under Virat and competing in every match. 

2nd time in Aus, stop making excuses.