fineleg Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 (edited) The tailenders dont have to score 30s. But surely they can be taught to hang around for more overs and maybe score 10 (or in some cases 15 runs) each. And definitely know how to grip the bat and hold it and bare minimum basics, running between wickets.... What the hell is Bangar doing for 2-3 years?? Thats a long time! Edited December 20, 2018 by fineleg Frustrated, Real McCoy, beetle and 1 other 1 1 2 Link to comment
Tendulkar1996 Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 Just now, fineleg said: The tailenders dont have to score 30s. But surely they can be taught to hang around for more overs and maybe score 10 (or in some cases 15 runs) each. And definitely know how to grip the bat and hold it and bare minimum basics, running between wickets.... What the hell is Bangar doing for 2 years?? Another yes man to king kohli.Was himself a third rate batsman and now it seems our batsmen cant play spin either.Rahul or vijay don't know where there offstump is..forget bangar go to dravid or gavaskar for advice fools.Gavaskar maybe a dick sometimes but he knows test match batting technique.But ofcourse these ipl boys don't need such oldies advice.They have positive mindset. Frustrated, Real McCoy, beetle and 3 others 1 2 3 Link to comment
Popular Post Clarke Posted December 20, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted December 20, 2018 The same stuff he does with openers Real McCoy, WeStMiDz, beetle and 8 others 1 9 1 Link to comment
Laaloo Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 He's the reason why ishant was trundling on a green pitch on day one!!!! UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
The Realist Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 Deserves a long term contract. Imagine must be being head-hunted by other teams for his razor sharp analysis like... UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
Charlie_ Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 I have never seen a batting/bowling coach going unquestioned for so long. Bangar is almost like $onia. No one takes his name. Frustrated, beetle and UrmiSinhaRay 1 2 Link to comment
Number Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 In Gary Kirsten time even Munaf Patel used to face 100 throwdowns and and minimum 15 minutes in net practice under coach observation. These days we have Ravi "to hell with nets" Shastri. BlueBee, beetle, nevada and 3 others 1 2 1 2 Link to comment
fineleg Posted December 21, 2018 Author Share Posted December 21, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Number said: In Gary Kirsten time even Munaf Patel used to face 100 throwdowns and and minimum 15 minutes in net practice under coach observation. These days we have Ravi "to hell with nets" Shastri. Terrible the current head coach and batting coach as well. Can get a better bowling coach too I'm sure. The entire regiment of them needs to be changed to more professional (international if need be) folks. Edited December 21, 2018 by fineleg Real McCoy, beetle, BlueBee and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment
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ShoonyaSifar Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 On pitches where three of our main batsmen have been laying eggs, what can the batting coach do to transform the taileneders? In India, the same tail, will still score as many runs as English or Aussie tail scored in their home conditions. But in general, Bangar as the batting coach has run his course having been in the role for nearly four and a half years now. Obviously they will not change the set up before the WC. After the WC the entire set up needs to be revamped, irrespective of how the team performs (most likely an exit in semis) UrmiSinhaRay and BlueBee 2 Link to comment
R!TTER Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 You can't seriously expect anyone to not take these chumps to task when between the 3 of them they can't even last 10 overs, this is unacceptable! Even Afg or Zim would last much longer than these good for nothing wannabes & no blaming the top order for tail end woes is just as asinine as blaming the batters for the opposition tail wagging. UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
ShoonyaSifar Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 2 hours ago, Number said: In Gary Kirsten time even Munaf Patel used to face 100 throwdowns and and minimum 15 minutes in net practice under coach observation. These days we have Ravi "to hell with nets" Shastri. An important fact - we did not play a Test in England or Aus under Kirsten!! And yet the tail (8-11) is averaging a point higher than it did under Kirsten! (Total 17.68 under Kirsten vs 18.3 under Bangar, Away from home - 15.83 under Kirsten vs 15.32 under Bangar). UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
R!TTER Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 (edited) Does that include Jadeja, Kuldeep & Kumar's numbers because if it doesn't then your numbers are way off like not even in the same stratosphere! These chumps avg under 5 this year, in fact I'd be surprised if the avg wasn't slightly above 1 after this recent mauling Yup, just as I thought View overall figures [change view] Primary team India On continent Africa or Europe or Oceania Start of match date between 1 Dec 2016 and 31 Dec 2018 Batting position greater than or equal to 8 Qualifications innings batted greater than or equal to 4 Ordered by batting average (descending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 6 of 6 First Previous Next Last Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Player Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s B Kumar 2 4 1 101 33 33.66 252 40.07 0 0 0 11 0 R Ashwin 7 12 2 221 38 22.10 369 59.89 0 0 0 29 1 UT Yadav 2 4 3 7 4* 7.00 78 8.97 0 0 0 0 0 Mohammed Shami 10 20 3 105 28 6.17 150 70.00 0 0 6 13 2 I Sharma 9 17 3 61 14 4.35 237 25.73 0 0 5 8 0 JJ Bumrah 8 15 6 14 6 1.55 102 13.72 0 0 5 1 0 Look at the number of ducks View overall figures [change view] Home or away away (home of opposition) or neutral venue On continent Africa or Asia or Europe or Oceania Start of match date between 1 Dec 2017 and 31 Dec 2018 Batting position greater than or equal to 8 Grouped by team Qualifications innings batted greater than or equal to 10 Ordered by batting average (descending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 9 of 9 First Previous Next Last Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Team Players Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s England 12 9 64 16 966 65* 20.12 1822 53.01 0 5 7 100 20 West Indies 9 6 48 10 525 52 13.81 1066 49.24 0 1 6 65 10 Pakistan 11 8 44 13 392 83 12.64 848 46.22 0 1 6 47 5 Sri Lanka 9 4 20 4 191 44* 11.93 451 42.35 0 0 4 21 0 India 10 10 78 19 639 86* 10.83 1477 43.26 0 1 19 79 4 Australia 9 6 46 9 387 50 10.45 788 49.11 0 1 7 45 8 Zimbabwe 10 3 22 4 111 18* 6.16 316 35.12 0 0 6 12 2 South Africa 7 2 16 3 80 18 6.15 238 33.61 0 0 2 8 2 New Zealand 7 3 22 4 109 18 6.05 367 29.70 0 0 7 4 2 Edited December 21, 2018 by R!TTER Link to comment
ShoonyaSifar Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 1 hour ago, R!TTER said: Does that include Jadeja, Kuldeep & Kumar's numbers because if it doesn't then your numbers are way off like not even in the same stratosphere! These chumps avg under 5 this year, in fact I'd be surprised if the avg wasn't slightly above 1 after this recent mauling Yup, just as I thought View overall figures [change view] Primary team India On continent Africa or Europe or Oceania Start of match date between 1 Dec 2016 and 31 Dec 2018 Batting position greater than or equal to 8 Qualifications innings batted greater than or equal to 4 Ordered by batting average (descending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 6 of 6 First Previous Next Last Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Player Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s B Kumar 2 4 1 101 33 33.66 252 40.07 0 0 0 11 0 R Ashwin 7 12 2 221 38 22.10 369 59.89 0 0 0 29 1 UT Yadav 2 4 3 7 4* 7.00 78 8.97 0 0 0 0 0 Mohammed Shami 10 20 3 105 28 6.17 150 70.00 0 0 6 13 2 I Sharma 9 17 3 61 14 4.35 237 25.73 0 0 5 8 0 JJ Bumrah 8 15 6 14 6 1.55 102 13.72 0 0 5 1 0 Look at the number of ducks View overall figures [change view] Home or away away (home of opposition) or neutral venue On continent Africa or Asia or Europe or Oceania Start of match date between 1 Dec 2017 and 31 Dec 2018 Batting position greater than or equal to 8 Grouped by team Qualifications innings batted greater than or equal to 10 Ordered by batting average (descending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 9 of 9 First Previous Next Last Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Team Players Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s England 12 9 64 16 966 65* 20.12 1822 53.01 0 5 7 100 20 West Indies 9 6 48 10 525 52 13.81 1066 49.24 0 1 6 65 10 Pakistan 11 8 44 13 392 83 12.64 848 46.22 0 1 6 47 5 Sri Lanka 9 4 20 4 191 44* 11.93 451 42.35 0 0 4 21 0 India 10 10 78 19 639 86* 10.83 1477 43.26 0 1 19 79 4 Australia 9 6 46 9 387 50 10.45 788 49.11 0 1 7 45 8 Zimbabwe 10 3 22 4 111 18* 6.16 316 35.12 0 0 6 12 2 South Africa 7 2 16 3 80 18 6.15 238 33.61 0 0 2 8 2 New Zealand 7 3 22 4 109 18 6.05 367 29.70 0 0 7 4 2 Kumar and Ashwin should not be included in tail but Curran and Rashid or Starc and Cummins should be there. Nice double standards there. Pick 3-4 worst tailend batsmen in each team and away from home, their records will not look vastly different from those Indian numbers. UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
R!TTER Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 (edited) 11 minutes ago, ShoonyaSifar said: Kumar and Ashwin should not be included in tail but Curran and Rashid or Starc and Cummins should be there. Nice double standards there. Pick 3-4 worst tailend batsmen in each team and away from home, their records will not look vastly different from those Indian numbers. What double standards? You quoted figures from 8 below, trying a new angle? Maybe you should recheck your own stats once in a while? Fact is this is the worst Indian tail I've seen in a lifetime, the numbers back that up! View overall figures [change view] Primary team India Home or away away (home of opposition) On continent Africa or Europe or Oceania Start of match date between 1 Dec 2007 and 31 Aug 2011 Batting position greater than or equal to 8 Qualifications innings batted greater than or equal to 6 Ordered by batting average (descending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 7 of 7 First Previous Next Last Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s A Kumble 2007-2008 4 8 2 179 87 29.83 480 37.29 0 1 1 21 0 Z Khan 2007-2011 7 11 4 171 51* 24.42 220 77.72 0 1 2 22 3 Harbhajan Singh 2007-2011 11 19 0 387 63 20.36 583 66.38 0 3 4 46 7 P Kumar 2011-2011 3 6 0 110 40 18.33 105 104.76 0 0 1 16 4 RP Singh 2007-2011 5 9 1 72 30 9.00 140 51.42 0 0 4 10 1 I Sharma 2008-2011 13 19 7 92 23 7.66 285 32.28 0 0 5 12 0 S Sreesanth 2010-2011 6 11 4 25 7* 3.57 76 32.89 0 0 4 4 0 Edited December 21, 2018 by R!TTER UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
ShoonyaSifar Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 15 minutes ago, R!TTER said: What double standards? You quoted figures from 8 below, trying a new angle? Maybe you should recheck your own stats once in a while? Fact is this is the worst Indian tail I've seen in a lifetime, the numbers back that up! View overall figures [change view] Primary team India Home or away away (home of opposition) On continent Africa or Europe or Oceania Start of match date between 1 Dec 2007 and 31 Aug 2011 Batting position greater than or equal to 8 Qualifications innings batted greater than or equal to 6 Ordered by batting average (descending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 7 of 7 First Previous Next Last Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s A Kumble 2007-2008 4 8 2 179 87 29.83 480 37.29 0 1 1 21 0 Z Khan 2007-2011 7 11 4 171 51* 24.42 220 77.72 0 1 2 22 3 Harbhajan Singh 2007-2011 11 19 0 387 63 20.36 583 66.38 0 3 4 46 7 P Kumar 2011-2011 3 6 0 110 40 18.33 105 104.76 0 0 1 16 4 RP Singh 2007-2011 5 9 1 72 30 9.00 140 51.42 0 0 4 10 1 I Sharma 2008-2011 13 19 7 92 23 7.66 285 32.28 0 0 5 12 0 S Sreesanth 2010-2011 6 11 4 25 7* 3.57 76 32.89 0 0 4 4 0 Use your own twisted logic and take out stats of all those who averaged 10+. Leaves RP, Ishant and Sreesanth. See those single digit averages there. Do count the number of ducks as well. UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
Real McCoy Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 I don't think Sanjay Bangar is a bad batting coach. Its Shaoli at fault. Bangar batted with Dravid in Headingley 2002 and was the last man out after tea. "To hell with the nets" is the main reason UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
R!TTER Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 (edited) You obviously have no point so stop digging! I brought up number 8 to 11 just to show how (un)sound your argument was when you tried to peddle the theory that our tail, or whatever you call them, is performing better than what we had in the time of Kirsten. The stats are also important to highlight how inept they are at staying at the crease, let alone score runs. So not only they don't score runs, unlike most other tailenders, but they're also unable to stay at the wickets with a specialist batter/WK at the other end. Do you get that now, finally? Edited December 21, 2018 by R!TTER UrmiSinhaRay and CG 2 Link to comment
CG Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 You obviously have no point so stop digging! I brought up number 8 to 11 just to show how (un)sound your argument was when you tried to peddle the theory that our tail, or whatever you call them, is performing better than what we had in the time of Kirsten. The stats are also important to highlight how inept they are at staying at the crease, let alone score runs. So not only they don't score runs, unlike most other tailenders, but they're also unable to stay at the wickets with a specialist batter/WK at the other end. Do you get that now, finally?Indian Tailenders Avg 14.5 To English 16 in Last Few Years .At Home Tailenders Generally Contribute More.Sent from my Nokia 7 plus using Tapatalk Link to comment
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