Are we missing Pandya already?

[zen]

When you have an attack that includes 2 spinners among the 4 specialist bowling slots, it is wise to play an AR like Pandya, who can serve as the 5th bowler (3rd seamer) to support Bumrah + Shami and also bat at #6-7 .... The likes of KL, Rahane and Vihari appear to have a timer countdown attached to them as soon as they arrive at the crease. Ind is already 10/1 w/ KL gone struggling .... Are we missing Pandya already?

Edited January 2, 2019 by zen

[TNAmarkFromIndia]

I'm not sure. With Pandya in the XI, you sometimes feel that India is either one specialist batsman short or one specialist bowler short, depending on which position he's picked in.

[zen]

6 minutes ago, TNAmarkFromIndia said:

I'm not sure. With Pandya in the XI, you sometimes feel that India is either one specialist batsman short or one specialist bowler short, depending on which position he's picked in.

Avgs 60+ in decent batting conditions .... also picked up a 5-er in his comeback domestic game so appears to be bowling well too and more than useful as the "5th" bowler. Tends to do well when he bowls with a relatively hard ball vs bowling to get a few overs in with the old ball 

Edited January 3, 2019 by zen

[Khota]

Only person missing Pandya is the op. This is almost borderline unhealthy fixation with Pandya. India has won two matches without his presence and will win the third one most likely. Tell me why would someone miss a non performer?

[zen]

3 hours ago, Khota said:

Only person missing Pandya is the op. This is almost borderline unhealthy fixation with Pandya. India has won two matches without his presence and will win the third one most likely. Tell me why would someone miss a non performer?

Are you serious? Or you have to post against Pandya in every thread? 

 

Performance in SEA in 2018

 

Batting

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Opposition team Australia  or England  or South Africa

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Qualifications matches played greater than or equal to 3

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Player	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
V Kohli	11	22	0	1138	153	51.72	2125	53.55	4	5	2	129	2
CA Pujara	10	20	1	706	132*	37.15	1953	36.14	3	3	3	76	2
RR Pant	6	12	0	353	114	29.41	536	65.85	1	0	1	36	10
AM Rahane	9	18	0	513	81	28.50	1142	44.92	0	4	1	51	3
RG Sharma	4	8	1	184	63*	26.28	389	47.30	0	1	0	16	4
HH Pandya	7	14	1	283	93	21.76	461	61.38	0	2	2	42	2
KL Rahul	9	18	0	377	149	20.94	647	58.26	1	0	3	51	2
GH Vihari	3	6	0	125	56	20.83	362	34.53	0	1	1	14	1
R Ashwin	7	14	2	246	38	20.50	415	59.27	0	0	0	34	1
S Dhawan	5	10	0	194	44	19.40	325	59.69	0	0	0	28	0
M Vijay	7	14	0	177	46	12.64	588	30.10	0	0	3	19	0

 

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Player	Mat	Inns	Overs	Mdns	Runs	Wkts	BBI	BBM	Ave	Econ	SR	5	10
JJ Bumrah	9	18	379.4	89	1009	48	6/33	9/86	21.02	2.65	47.4	3	0
Mohammed Shami	11	21	371.5	66	1235	45	6/56	6/74	27.44	3.32	49.5	2	0
I Sharma	10	19	323.0	69	849	37	5/51	6/97	22.94	2.62	52.3	1	0
HH Pandya	7	12	115.1	14	409	13	5/28	6/50	31.46	3.55	53.1	1	0
GH Vihari	3	6	44.3	9	130	5	3/37	3/38	26.00	2.92	53.4	0	0
R Ashwin	7	13	303.0	69	724	24	4/62	7/121	30.16	2.38	75.7	0	0

Edited December 29, 2018 by zen

Edited January 3, 2019 by zen

[Trichromatic]

No commentator is talking about it.

No one is missing him on social media.

Even on ICF no one else is missing him.

[Trichromatic]

1 minute ago, zen said:

Are you serious? Or you have to post against Pandya in every thread? 

Can we change thread title to "I am missing Pandya already"?

[zen]

1 minute ago, Trichromatic said:

Can we change thread title to "I am missing Pandya already"?

Would have preferred the 3+2 bowling combination as mentioned in OP

[Khota]

2 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

Can we change thread title to "I am missing Pandya already"?

"I am having wet dreams about Pandya" I think that is another suggestion.

[SK_IH]

Yes 2-2 combo is worrying. Grinding the two bowlers to dust, who are actually very precious in the long run is another concern.

Kuldeep is a good addition, however.

[zen]

1 minute ago, SK_IH said:

Yes 2-2 combo is worrying. Grinding the two bowlers to dust, who are actually very precious in the long run is another concern.

Kuldeep is a good addition, however.

No need to say that a couple of bowlers will need to have a great game 

[Trichromatic]

5 minutes ago, zen said:

Would have preferred the 3+2 bowling combination as mentioned in OP

But still while watching the match you can easily get the idea that no one is missing him.

 

Most of the selection talks about Rahul's failure for now.

 

Wait for day 2, if you're lucky then there are chances that commentators, experts and fans might miss his presence. But that is still unlikey to happen.

 

Order in which players are being missed atm:

 

Ashwin - there has been lot of talk

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Shaw - made peace with the loss

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Ishant - wait for day 2

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Pandya - Don't wait.

 

[TNAmarkFromIndia]

6 minutes ago, zen said:

Are you serious? Or you have to post against Pandya in every thread? 

Performance in SEA in 2018

That's exactly what I mean. Where do we play someone averaging 21? At No. 7 and have Pant at 6 who isn't doing much better? Or at 8 and cut one specialist bowler who is doing well?

 

We need 6 batting heavyweights at the top of the order and Pant at 7 with 4 specialist bowlers.

[zen]

3 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

 

Order in which players are being missed atm:

 

Ashwin - there has been lot of talk

 

Shaw - made peace with the loss

 

Ishant - wait for day 2

 

Pandya - Don't wait.

 

Ashwin, Shaw and Ishant are out with injury. And Ind is playing Kuldeep so that is a decent spin option esp. considering Ashwin's SR of 75+ in SEA .... While Pandya was available for selection 

[Trichromatic]

2 minutes ago, TNAmarkFromIndia said:

That's exactly what I mean. Where do we play someone averaging 21? At No. 7 and have Pant at 6 who isn't doing much better? Or at 8 and cut one specialist bowler who is doing well?

  

 We need 6 batting heavyweights at the top of the order and Pant at 7 with 4 specialist bowlers.

Now just wait for same stats which has been posted 100 times.

[Trichromatic]

1 minute ago, zen said:

Ashwin, Shaw and Ishant are out with injury. And Ind is playing Kuldeep so that is a decent spin option esp. considering Ashwin's SR of 75+ in SEA .... While Pandya was available for selection 

Will bump the thread if any commentator ever mentions him during the match.

[Rightarmfast]

Its funny what a misleading stat can do to brainwash you, or rather selective memory can do. The only chance India got to bat first and managed to score in excess of 300 was when Pandya performed with the ball. Even then, the initial wickets were already taken by other bowlers. With or without Pandya, the team would have done well. Pandya was out of the picture when the team was really in dire straits. When the situation was rather easy, he bowled one spell which people keep latching on to. Its rather funny. We can see as much data as we can, the fact remains that Pandya is a liability. His addition inadvertently creates an imbalance in the team. Plus, he can neither bat nor bowl. 

He should never be anywhere close to the test team. T20 is what he is suited to and thats where he should belong.

[zen]

3 minutes ago, TNAmarkFromIndia said:

That's exactly what I mean. Where do we play someone averaging 21? At No. 7 and have Pant at 6 who isn't doing much better? Or at 8 and cut one specialist bowler who is doing well?

 

We need 6 batting heavyweights at the top of the order and Pant at 7 with 4 specialist bowlers.

But others selected avg lower than him. Adding batsmen who do not necessarily avg high is not strengthening the batting (may be on paper) ... And it is not difficult to think that Pandya's game is more suitable to Aus 

 

As for the playing combination, I like to optimize batting (5 slots) and bowling first (4 slots), then pick the WK based on if we need someone to strengthen the batting like Pant (or someone like Saha who is among our best WKs)  and the last spot, which I call the X slot, depending up on if we need an AR, batsman or bowler 

 

 

[goose]

you must be Pandya's mum

[zen]

3 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

Will bump the thread if any commentator ever mentions him during the match.

that is your yardstick so you could follow that