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Can happen to even bumrah or kuldeep on their bad days but this guy has been pathetic since i started watching cricket and still keeps finding place. There is shami or many other alternatives in domestic cricket which can surely do better than him.

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Easy for someone like Shami to bowl yorkers kn will who has played full month of test cricket and is in the rhythm. But when you carry gatorade which Bhuvi did and lack match practice for a month you can’t just come and get yorkers right everytime. It takes time. Bhuvi will get better. 

 

I think he did decent earlier. Deah bowling needs lot of match practice which he lacks. I think he will be ready for world cup.

 

England are his conditons and he will do well there.

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They were lucky to get away with it in this day and age. 

Bhuvi in particular didn't do anything wrong. Was very good in his first 7 overs, made the ball talk with that Finch dismissal on this dead wicket.

 

Khaleel - tbh he exceeded my expectations in his first spell (except for the no-balls). Bowled good areas. Once he started pitching it short though:phehe:. But there is enough there to work with, since he is still young and brings left arm variety.

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1 minute ago, Cricketics said:

Easy for someone like Shami to bowl yorkers kn will who has played full month of test cricket and is in the rhythm. But when you carry gatorade which Bhuvi did and lack match practice for a month you can’t just come and get yorkers right everytime. It takes time. Bhuvi will get better. 

 

I think he did decent earlier. Deah bowling needs lot of match practice which he lacks. I think he will be ready for world cup.

 

England are his conditons and he will do well there.

Because of these guys we had trundlers in past till current era bowlers. How much more matches to improve? Already given 100 matches and he is still avg at it's best. Have some shame those hard working bowlers in domestic cricket don't even get match to prove their worth in international cricket. 

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1 minute ago, Cricketics said:

Easy for someone like Shami to bowl yorkers kn will who has played full month of test cricket and is in the rhythm. But when you carry gatorade which Bhuvi did and lack match practice for a month you can’t just come and get yorkers right everytime. It takes time. Bhuvi will get better. 

 

I think he did decent earlier. Deah bowling needs lot of match practice which he lacks. I think he will be ready for world cup.

 

England are his conditons and he will do well there.

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3 minutes ago, Nikola said:

Because of these guys we had trundlers in past till current era bowlers. How much more matches to improve? Already given 100 matches and he is still avg at it's best. Have some shame those hard working bowlers in domestic cricket don't even get match to prove their worth in international cricket. 

We had trundlers but Bhuvi isn’t one. He is genuine medium-fast. 

 

I am ready to rotate bowlers and keep Bhuvi out but would keep Bhuvi for world cup for English conditons and give him odd games.

 

Heck if Aaron is the team or Mavi, I will even pick them ahead but I am going to keep Bhuvi in the squad. I rather drop extra spinner in the squad and take one extra fast bowler for world cup.

 

 

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But he brings a lot during the initial part of the innings - I remember him being quite good in the 2013 CT in Eng. Unless we have a reliable death bowler to aprtner Bumrah, I would persist with Bhuvi.

 

Too much of an ask to give demand good death bowling from newbies like Khaleel or Siraj.

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Just now, Cricketics said:

We had trundlers but Bhuvi isn’t one. He is genuine medium-fast. 

 

I am ready to rotate bowlers and keep Bhuvi out but would keep Bhuvi for world cup for English conditons and give him odd games.

 

Heck if Aaron is the teammor Mavi, I will even pick them ahead but I am going to keep kne place for Bhuvi in the squad. I rather drop extra spinner in the squad and take one extra fast bowler for world cup.

 

 

Geniune medium fast bowling at 121kph right? Even shami after having so much workload in test is bowling in 138-140kph speed without getting injured. 

 

English Conditions? Kidding me? That will be flat tracks in hot summer. Wake up it's not that he will get test match conditions. He might get in one or two matches out of 10 matches if there is overcast conditions but other than that those conditions will be surely more tough than these Australian pitches. Pandya, Bhuvi & Jadeja/Chahal are pretty useless if batsman can read them and start smacking them. Bumrah & Kuldeep can have bad days too.

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2 minutes ago, Cricketics said:

We had trundlers but Bhuvi isn’t one. He is genuine medium-fast. 

 

I am ready to rotate bowlers and keep Bhuvi out but would keep Bhuvi for world cup for English conditons and give him odd games.

 

Heck if Aaron is the team or Mavi, I will even pick them ahead but I am going to keep Bhuvi in the squad. I rather drop extra spinner in the squad and take one extra fast bowler for world cup.

 

 

bhuvan won't get classic eng conditions and pitches for the most part. his record in eng odis is very ordinary. shami and bumrah should play all matches. 3rd pacer is a massive hole.

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Funny comment on cricinfo :lol:

 

49.6
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Kumar to Maxwell, 2 runs, fuller and wider and Maxwell hits it towards deep extra cover, they sprints back for the second and make it easily before Bhuvneshwar receives the throw
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Kumar to Maxwell, FOUR runs, fuller around off, Maxwell moves just towards the off side and hits it in the air, a wristy flick to beat the man at deep midwicket
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Kumar to Stoinis, 1 run, wide outside off, looks to go aerial over extra cover, ends up slicing it towards deep backward point, lands just short of charging in Rohit
49.3
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Kumar to Stoinis, FOUR runs, length outside off, looks to hoick it on the leg side, gets an outside edge and it goes between the keeper and the short third man

Azad: "Will this be another 20 run final over from Bhuvi that we have come to expect?"

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Kumar to Stoinis, no run, length outside off, slower one perhaps, Stoinis fails to reach there
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Kumar to Stoinis, SIX runs, a juicy full toss on the stumps and put away over square leg boundary for a six
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Kumar to Stoinis, 1 wide, slower one outside off, but way too wide, needs to be bowled again

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16 minutes ago, Cricketics said:

Easy for someone like Shami to bowl yorkers kn will who has played full month of test cricket and is in the rhythm. But when you carry gatorade which Bhuvi did and lack match practice for a month you can’t just come and get yorkers right everytime. It takes time. Bhuvi will get better. 

 

I think he did decent earlier. Deah bowling needs lot of match practice which he lacks. I think he will be ready for world cup.

 

England are his conditons and he will do well there.

Everytime we play an ODI series after a Test series, there would obviously be a gap. So are you saying we should allow bhuvi to get pasted every 3-4 matches at the beginning of a series so that he could "get his rhythm" back? 

 

Or are you suggesting we should play Bhuvi in tests so that he could get that Match Practice for ODIs:nervous:

 

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20 minutes ago, zen said:

a thread on massive 15+ runs overs given 

 

Ind vs Aus ODI at Sydney 011118

 

Bhuvi 22 runs last over :hehe:

 

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"taken to the cleaners" - I hope these cleaners will clean out bhuvi and khaleel and all other cobwebs & non-contributing passengers from this team.

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1 minute ago, OpeningBatsman said:

So everytime we play an ODI series afted a Test series, there would obviously be a gap. So are you saying we should allow bhuvi to get pasted every 3-4 matches at the beginning of a series so that he could "get his rhythm" back? 

No, players can get rusty, if sittinf om side. Some day your death bowling clicks some days they don’t.

 

He migth bowler better with Bumrah as partner and stuff like this happens. Today was off day, rustiness like I mentioned. Earlier spell wasn’t bad though. This can happen to any bowler in today’s cricket. 

 

 

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He might do well in tye next match but then he will go missing for another 6-7 matches.. This has been the story of his career. 

 

Ny doing well i mean figures of 1-48 or 2-57 in 10 overs. That's the problem. Even his good days are not so good and his bad days are awful. 

 

Result- bowling avg of 38. Economy of 5. 

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3 minutes ago, Cricketics said:

No, players can get rusty, if sittinf om side. Some day your death bowling clicks some days they don’t.

 

He migth bowler better with Bumrah as partner and stuff like this happens. Today was off day, rustiness like I mentioned. Earlier spell wasn’t bad though. This can happen to any bowler in today’s cricket. 

 

 

I understand that. But he has been consistently poor through out 2018 just check his performances. We can't afford that especially when we are playing with only 2 frontier pacers with Hardik back... 

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20 minutes ago, Cricketics said:

Easy for someone like Shami to bowl yorkers kn will who has played full month of test cricket and is in the rhythm. But when you carry gatorade which Bhuvi did and lack match practice for a month you can’t just come and get yorkers right everytime. It takes time. Bhuvi will get better. 

 

I think he did decent earlier. Deah bowling needs lot of match practice which he lacks. I think he will be ready for world cup.

 

England are his conditons and he will do well there.

India certainly missed Jasprit Bumrah during the business end of the innings. Gaurav Sundararaman tells me that since 2018, he has been India's best bowler in the last ten overs, going at a miserly 3.92 per over. Bhuvneshwar, meanwhile, is at the other end of the spectrum, giving away 8.17. 

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3 minutes ago, Number said:

I think it is clear we cant trust him in death overs but he is too valueable with the new ball. So our 3rd seamer should be someone who can ball in death with Bumrah.

Problem is, once Hardik is back we wull go with only 2 pacers with hardik as 3rd and 2 spinners. Unfortunately there's no getting around it as our bowlers are poor with the bat so one among Hardik or Jaddu has to play. 

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16 minutes ago, Cricketics said:

We had trundlers but Bhuvi isn’t one. He is genuine medium-fast. 

 

I am ready to rotate bowlers and keep Bhuvi out but would keep Bhuvi for world cup for English conditons and give him odd games.

 

Heck if Aaron is the team or Mavi, I will even pick them ahead but I am going to keep Bhuvi in the squad. I rather drop extra spinner in the squad and take one extra fast bowler for world cup.

 

 

medium-fast means trundler

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6 minutes ago, Number said:

I think it is clear we cant trust him in death overs but he is too valueable with the new ball. So our 3rd seamer should be someone who can ball in death with Bumrah.

what exactly has he done with the new ball? People previously said he was good death bowler and not good up front.

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3 minutes ago, OpeningBatsman said:

Problem is, once Hardik is back we wull go with only 2 pacers with hardik as 3rd and 2 spinners. Unfortunately there's no getting around it as our bowlers are poor with the bat so one among Hardik or Jaddu has to play. 

let jaddu play and no hardik.  if hardik, he should be as sixth bowler and #6 batsman.

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2 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

medium-fast means trundler

Made up terms hai sab. 

hai sab. Jisko

khushi leni hai lo.

 

Bhuvi bowls decnet quick at times compared to

regular trundlers. Anyway, point of the thread, he bowls well upfront, an we must keep him in world cup squad.  

 

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2 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

let jaddu play and no hardik.  if hardik, he should be as sixth bowler and #6 batsman.

But then Chahal will have to sit out. Chahal gets a lot of  hate here but the guy has taken loads of wickets in ODIs thus year. 56 wickets at an avg of 25 and an economy rate of 4. 75.. Kind of stats unheard from an Indian bowler before kul-cha-bum-sha... We have these 4 with sub 30 avgs and I think they should lead our attack... 

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So KLR and Pandya screw themselves and the team. No Bumrah and Dhoni gets a howler when they had to chase 8 rpo in 18 overs with 7 wickets.

 

So its an odi victory and t20 loss. 

 

If he is anyways playing wc move dhoni to 4 bring pant in, Aus wont beat this team. While at it get siraj in for khaleel.

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8 hours ago, Cricketics said:

We had trundlers but Bhuvi isn’t one. He is genuine medium-fast. 

 

I am ready to rotate bowlers and keep Bhuvi out but would keep Bhuvi for world cup for English conditons and give him odd games.

 

Heck if Aaron is the team or Mavi, I will even pick them ahead but I am going to keep Bhuvi in the squad. I rather drop extra spinner in the squad and take one extra fast bowler for world cup.

 

 

Thank god you are not selector you are exactly on par with them.

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I think chahal had to blame himself for not able to bat . He is no stud like bumrah or kuldeep. He can only warrant a spot if he can take two fers every match at economy less than 5 . 

 

Somebody sack the batting coach for making our bowlers bat like west Indies tailenders of 90s.

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1 minute ago, Cricketics said:

If I was selector my pace attack would be Bumrah-Mavi-Aaron-Avesh-Rajpoot and Bhuvi reserved for conditions.

 

 

What has bhuvi ever done to get in to the team.  What is the basis, neither he has good avg, sr nor the ER which most people harp about. He has really regressed , he shoulg go back to domestic to prove his skill or shall be restricted to 4 overs of t20.

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5 minutes ago, raki05 said:

What has bhuvi ever done to get in to the team.  What is the basis, neither he has good avg, sr nor the ER which most people harp about. He has really regressed , he shoulg go back to domestic to prove his skill or shall be restricted to 4 overs of t20.

He bowls well at start and pther bowlers get rewarded at times. May be bot immidiste partners in bowling but third seamer or spinners tofollow.

i keep mentionininf conditions because he does well in certain conditions. I thought he bowled well in CT too at times without luck and will bowl well in world cup. 

 

Don’t play every game, but keep him in squd as back for conditions. 

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10 minutes ago, Cricketics said:

He bowls well at start and pther bowlers get rewarded at times. May be bot immidiste partners in bowling but third seamer or spinners tofollow.

i keep mentionininf conditions because he does well in certain conditions. I thought he bowled well in CT too. 

Inspite of having better bench strength bowlers with better sr in domestic if we are still banking on a condition dependent bowler to a sr bowler , a geriatric middle order batting to chase steep target than at best we deserve losses in final , sf of most tournaments. Even at this age where other than eng there is mediocrity all around we are happy with final and sf place, it's going to really tarnish kohli legacy as with so much of talents on bench he could have achieved what no one in Indian cricket could have ever achieved.

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Just now, raki05 said:

Inspite of having better bench strength bowlers with better sr in domestic if we are still banking on a condition dependent bowler to a sr bowler , a geriatric middle order batting to chase steep target than at best we deserve losses in final , sf of most tournaments. Even at this age where other than eng there is mediocrity all around we are happy with final and sf place, it's going to really tarnish kohli legacy as with so much of talents on bench he could have achieved what no one in Indian cricket have ever achieved.

No, you are over rescting.

 

We need to give chance to youngsters but can’t have all new ones play every game at same time for 5 games in row. This will hurt the team and dent their confidence and one of them will get dropped for a while. This is what happens when you put all youngsters in the same line up in batting or bowling. Few fail and are forgotten so its better to get them and rotate around for their better future.

 

Its not like they will play every game anyway as we need to have pool of bowlers so that their body is also respected and kept healthy so that they are available for bigger games, and can be rotated like any bowler just like Bumrah is being rotated to keep healthy, talking about youngsters here. Hence its important to get a senior or two in the line up.

 

Once news bowlers settle down then senior like Bhuvi can be kept away permanently. 

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Cricketics said:

No, you are over rescting.

 

We need to give chance to youngsters but can’t have all new ones play every game at same time for 5 games in row. This will hurt the team and dent their confidence and one of them will get dropped for a while. This is what happens when you put all youngsters in the same line up in batting or bowling. Few fail and are forgotten so its better to get them and rotate around for their better future.

 

Its not like they will play every game anyway as we need to have pool of bowlers so that their body is also respected and kept healthy so that they are available for bigger games, and can be rotated like any bowler just like Bumrah is being rotated to keep healthy, talking about youngsters here. Hence its important to get a senior or two in the line up.

 

Once news bowlers settle down then senior like Bhuvi can be kept away permanently. 

 

 

Agree. In nfl you have a transition where a veteran quarterback guides the young upshot before he takes the starter role . The same should be for all younger players. But in cricket the veterans overstay too long or the team management does not have the guts to drop them . Pant flourished in Australia because he had seniirs batting with him. 

 

Bhuvi sadly is not like Zak or nehra to guide youngsters , so his place as a mentor is also questionable . We lack a leader in bowling . Shami and bumrah don't look like communicators so they can't be leaders . Maybe that's why Kohli overvalues dhoni's impact as a bowlers leader. But I think Rohit can do that role if required.

 

Siraj and rajpoot need chances now. Khaleel has flattered to deceive . He had to average speed of at least 138 . If he is in lower 130s I would much rather have unadkut.

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Just now, raki05 said:

Inspite of having better bench strength bowlers with better sr in domestic if we are still banking on a condition dependent bowler to a sr bowler , a geriatric middle order batting to chase steep target than at best we deserve losses in final , sf of most tournaments. Even at this age where other than eng there is mediocrity all around we are happy with final and sf place, it's going to really tarnish kohli legacy as with so much of talents on bench he could have achieved what no one in Indian cricket have ever achieved.

No, you are over rescting.

 

We need to give chance to youngsters but can’t have all new ones play every game at same time for 5 games in row. This will hurt the team and dent their confidence and one of them will get dropped for a while. This is what happens when you put all youngsters in the same line up in batting or bowling. Few fail and are forgotten so its better to get them and rotate around for their better future.

 

Its not like they will play every game anyway as we need to have pool of bowlers so that their body is also respected and kept healthy so that they are available for bigger games, and can be rotated like any bowler just like Bumrah is being rotated to keep healthy, talking about youngsters here. Hence its important to get a senior or two in the line up.

 

Once news bowlers settle down then senior like Bhuvi can be kept away permanently. 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Cricketics said:

No, you are over rescting.

 

We need to give chance to youngsters but can’t have all new ones play every game at same time for 5 games in row. This will hurt the team and dent their confidence and one of them will get dropped for a while. This is what happens when you put all youngsters in the same line up in batting or bowling. Few fail and are forgotten so its better to get them and rotate around for their better future.

 

Its not like they will play every game anyway as we need to have pool of bowlers so that their body is also respected and kept healthy so that they are available for bigger games, and can be rotated like any bowler just like Bumrah is being rotated to keep healthy, talking about youngsters here. Hence its important to get a senior or two in the line up.

 

Once news bowlers settle down then senior like Bhuvi can be kept away permanently. 

 

 

Most of the time we play only 2 fast bowler and one allrounder ( pandya) and 2 spinners. And we know bhuvi is crap so why can't we try an youngster there . even in this series while shami was already there we should have gone with youngsters. Check aus they have rested all their main bowlers and playing youngsters or those who dint get chance. Biletral shall be used for trying youngsters and it should have been done lot earlier rather than playing mediocre like bhuvi, dhoni, rayadu and karthik series after series. They could have easily tried gill,shaw, saini /rajpoot in odi home series against WI, SL and all. So don't give this excuse of playing experience and training youngster especially when you know these seniors are undeserving and doesn't deserve a place in Team.

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Bhuvi in Aus :nervous:

 

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Bhuvi is good in England and SA. But in Australia he can be picked off in the later stages of the innings.  Ishant has a better record in Australia in the one dayers against Australia. Ofcourse early part of his career he was good. Tall bowlers and bowlers who can swing the ball from the hand are effective. Both Praveen kumar and Irfan were able to pick wickets consistently. Infact Irfan has the highest wickets in Australia against Australia. He bowled to a gun batting unit.

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I still think Bhuvi is a decent new ball bowler. Kohli should somehow ensure that Bhuvi finishes his full quota inside 35 - 40 overs. Remaining 10 overs of death can be shared between Bumrah, Shami and Kuli. IMO that Shami can be a very good death bowler due to his ability to get reverse swing and bowl pin point yorkers

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I'm a fan but he has been disappointing. Can't be 5'9" and bowl as slow as he is currently bowling. Especially in ODI's. Even if you have ridiculously good control and enough skill to get something with the white kookaburra, you need a rapid bouncer atleast to keep the batsmen honest. I don't mind anyone getting hit at the death considering that you won't find much reverse swing with the 2 new balls but then Kohli always gives him the death overs where he gets whacked more than the others.

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1 hour ago, Nikhil_cric said:

I'm a fan but he has been disappointing. Can't be 5'9" and bowl as slow as he is currently bowling. Especially in ODI's. Even if you have ridiculously good control and enough skill to get something with the white kookaburra, you need a rapid bouncer atleast to keep the batsmen honest. I don't mind anyone getting hit at the death considering that you won't find much reverse swing with the 2 new balls but then Kohli always gives him the death overs where he gets whacked more than the others.

It is almost he has reached the ceiling beyond which he cannot grow as a pace bowler. He is not confident of bowling yorker at the international level. It often ends up as a full toss. I still think Ishant will be in the reckoning if Bhuvi is taking a long time to recover.

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8 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

It is almost he has reached the ceiling beyond which he cannot grow as a pace bowler. He is not confident of bowling yorker at the international level. It often ends up as a full toss. I still think Ishant will be in the reckoning if Bhuvi is taking a long time to recover.

That's not a bad idea at all. Ishant has height and the way he has been bowling recently suggests that he might more effective. 

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