One good thing about Pakistan cricket

[kubrickian]

Whenever they see a talent, they will not waste time by making him warm the benches or toil in domestic cricket. They will put him in international cricket as soon as possible. Whereas in India, selectors are either so dumb or so conservative that they take ages to test new players. By that time, the player would have lost his confidence or form, then after a couple of failures they will again relegate him to domestic cricket. I have seen this happen time and again to some of the best talents and its still happening.

 

Only a new coach, captain and selectors with a different mindset can change this around.

[nevada]

24 minutes ago, kubrickian said:

Whenever they see a talent, they will not waste time by making him warm the benches or toil in domestic cricket. They will put him in international cricket as soon as possible. Whereas in India, selectors are either so dumb or so conservative that they take ages to test new players. By that time, the player would have lost his confidence or form, then after a couple of failures they will again relegate him to domestic cricket. I have seen this happen time and again to some of the best talents and its still happening.

 

Only a new coach, captain and selectors with a different mindset can change this around.

Agreed. They actually have a decent side filled with youngsters now. In the name of experience, they brought back oldies like Malik for the world cup and suffered as a result. But otherwise, their selections have been pretty good in the last couple of years. OTOH, after the champions trophy debacle, we haven't had a single new batsman establish himself as a reliable option on our side. Kohli is a pakau captain who just puts youngsters on the bench to stew and suffer for an eternity and frustrates the heck out of them. That too, if they are lucky enough to even make it to the squad and not left out in the wilderness like Gill presently and Iyer in the past. A boring, unimaginative captain who doesn't believe in taking a punt on a youngster(applicable to batting only).

[Vijy]

37 minutes ago, Shaz1 said:

I think Indians keep there talent because they want to pick players with long term plans. They refuse to chop and change players based on few failures. That in return makes them have confidence to payback there country. The goal for them is to make stars.

no, the goal is to prevent the young talents from playing games because rat-bewda are afraid that the kids will challenge their hegemony.

[Ankit_sharma03]

2 hours ago, kubrickian said:

Whenever they see a talent, they will not waste time by making him warm the benches or toil in domestic cricket. They will put him in international cricket as soon as possible. Whereas in India, selectors are either so dumb or so conservative that they take ages to test new players. By that time, the player would have lost his confidence or form, then after a couple of failures they will again relegate him to domestic cricket. I have seen this happen time and again to some of the best talents and its still happening.

 

Only a new coach, captain and selectors with a different mindset can change this around.

but i think thats also becoz its a team in low ranking, thats why they dont have option. Its difficult to get in high rank teams that easy . 

[Ranvir]

Pakistan will also pick villagers and guys from small towns. These guys are often more willing to bend their backs than their big city counterparts.

[ShoonyaSifar]

That approach is also insane. Not many of these raw talents in the last 10-12 years have gone ahead and have a decent career? 

 

We need to find a middle way between the Pakistani/SL way vs Aus/Eng/SA way. If you see an exceptional cricketer fast track him for sure, but not every good performing teenager/younger cricket maybe ready to step up to international level and there is a huge risk of burn out. Only thing paramount is if you pick any youngster, give him a proper run before discarding.

[cricketfan28]

does the same thing happen in Australia?

[jf1gp_1]

Shaheen Afridi is in pak side while mauvi and nagarkoti are yrs away before they are even considered. This when all 3 played in same U19 WC. 

[ShoonyaSifar]

26 minutes ago, jf1gp_1 said:

Shaheen Afridi is in pak side while mauvi and nagarkoti are yrs away before they are even considered. This when all 3 played in same U19 WC. 

Doesn’t help that Mavi and Nagerkotti have largely been injured. Mavi did get picked for India A, so must have been very close to national selection 

[Rightarmfast]

5 hours ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

That approach is also insane. Not many of these raw talents in the last 10-12 years have gone ahead and have a decent career? 

 

We need to find a middle way between the Pakistani/SL way vs Aus/Eng/SA way. If you see an exceptional cricketer fast track him for sure, but not every good performing teenager/younger cricket maybe ready to step up to international level and there is a huge risk of burn out. Only thing paramount is if you pick any youngster, give him a proper run before discarding.

I think the Pakistani way is awesome.  They are not fast tracking all the players. Shaheen was an exceptional player, and a fast bowler. Fast bowlers dont have a long shelf life. Make hay while the sun shines!

 

The problem with Pakistan has been the management and the coaches. If they had a steady system, these youngsters would have done great like how Inzi, Waqar, Wasim did.

[jf1gp_1]

Imran and Twitter 

[addicted4444]

Ganguly used to do the same thing. Get you g talent and back them. Dhoni also to an extent, until he started playing favourites. 

 

The current team team seems to have no rhyme or reason however. 

[Singh bling]

On 8/19/2019 at 4:57 PM, ShoonyaSifar said:

That approach is also insane. Not many of these raw talents in the last 10-12 years have gone ahead and have a decent career? 

 

We need to find a middle way between the Pakistani/SL way vs Aus/Eng/SA way. If you see an exceptional cricketer fast track him for sure, but not every good performing teenager/younger cricket maybe ready to step up to international level and there is a huge risk of burn out. Only thing paramount is if you pick any youngster, give him a proper run before discarding.

Their cricket suffered because of political conditions O/W they would have been one of best team

[Ankit_sharma03]

On 8/18/2019 at 9:27 PM, Shaz1 said:

I think Indians keep there talent because they want to pick players with long term plans. They refuse to chop and change players based on few failures. 

Looks like u havent followed kohlis captaincy n msk stint

[cricketfan28]

 I don't think so.

[Cricket_Fan]

And that didn't actually worked for them. Apart from the fluke CT victory, they didnt win nothing. Lost to a C grade team of ours twice at their own home UAE grounds and was whitewashed by Srilankans of all Teams again in UAE.

The reason for their fast tracking is their poor domestic structure. We have a very good one and current approach is the best for our players.

[Oldhere]

India in 90s too used to give talented youngsters the chances but how many of talented ones made through maybe below 10%.

Since we are becoming consistently winning team, talent will get chances only when they have played consistent cricket a bit like Australia.

 

I would always like to be like Aussies than Pakistani.

[Norman]

7 hours ago, Oldhere said:

India in 90s too used to give talented youngsters the chances but how many of talented ones made through maybe below 10%.

Since we are becoming consistently winning team, talent will get chances only when they have played consistent cricket a bit like Australia.

 

I would always like to be like Aussies than Pakistani.

Flawed logic. 

 

Indian team of 90s was a below average team which used to lose more games than it won. Except SRT and may be  Azhar  , no one was that good to stay in the team consistently. So, changes were more of a reaction to defeats rather than giving chances to young players. 

 

Now, the scenario is completely different. There are a lot of settled positions in the Indian teams in all the formats. But,  the "settled eleven/team" thing is being taken way too seriously by the TM. It's giving a leeway to non-performing oldies in the team in all the formats which in turn is blocking the youngsters to flourish . 

 

And yes,  when you wish to be like Aussies , you must have their professionalism as well. They'll never let a past it oldie to linger on , irrespective of his past achievements. (Eg. Steve Waugh )  

 

 

Edited August 25, 2019 by Norman

[maniac]

There is nothing to admire about this.This is what happens in teams which do not have a proper cricketing structure. You see this with Pakistan and even teams like WI and Srilanka  where they throw in every Tom Dick and Harry player into the mix and hope they just catch on. Once in a while someone sticks.

 

This hunt for the next big mercurial “tailunt” Is what has hurt Pakistan cricket. Sure this system worked for them to some extent  when Imran Khan or Wasim Akram where leading the team because they had a good eye for talent. However it also kind of undermined their entire cricketing system and let to this chaotic mess they see today. I think same happened with WI cricket as well with a larger than life captain like Lloyd.

 

Sure Shaheen Afridi is a good prospect but then again giving a shot to every so called tailunt also resulted in someone like Asif Ali and Faheen Ashraf playing international cricket Don’t think these guys would be make it to most top domestic sides in India,Australia and England. Maybe T20 but that’s about it.

 

English system was super conservative till they became what they became today but I still think India and Australia have had the best system of bringing in talent. Guys like Shaw,Pant,Jadeja,Kohli,Rohit,Ishant etc etc have come through a proper system. They played u-19, had a couple of good domestic seasons and then fast tracked. 

 

Guys like Ahswin,Pandya,Bumrah were fast tracked based on potential but still had a decent amount of domestic experience. Pandya was probably the closest we come to a Pakistani type of “mercurial tailunt” selection and hence the proof is in the pudding with those once in a blue moon Pakistani tailunt type mercurial performance with a lot of mediocrity in between.

 

This is why I fear this ultimate power in the hands of Kohli-Shastri because this is what exactly derailed Pakistan cricket.

Edited August 25, 2019 by maniac

[TNAmarkFromIndia]

On 8/18/2019 at 6:36 PM, kubrickian said:

Whenever they see a talent, they will not waste time by making him warm the benches or toil in domestic cricket. They will put him in international cricket as soon as possible.

And what did that get Pakistan? 

 

With Pakistani logic like this you deserve a Pakistani team.