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What if the Kashmir conflict never existed?


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3 minutes ago, zen said:

Kashmir conflict exists because of Pakistan's decision to attack Kashmir (sent its soldiers disguised as Kabalis), forcing Kashmir to take the decision to join India .... If Pak had not attacked Kashmir, it probably had the option to become an independent country too :dontknow:

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you go a layer above it exists because of the rabid ideology that doesn’t believe in co existing.

 

Even the so called liberal Muslims would pick India becoming a Islamic nation in a heartbeat. Atleast most of them.

 

 

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22 minutes ago, Singh bling said:

Without Kashmir conflict India had not interfer in BD?  Whether BD existed or not is different story but surely India would not be in war without any conflict with Pakistan.

BD liberation had to happen at some point, not like there wasn't resentment in East Pakistan, and what about the refugee crisis? Kashmir had very little to do with what happened in 1971. Starting from '47->Racism, geography, indifference, economic exploitation, political sidelining, Urdu vs Bengali, Bengali Muslims not Muslim enough, genocide......chronology samajh lijiye. 

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25 minutes ago, Global.Baba said:

If you go a layer above it exists because of the rabid ideology that doesn’t believe in co existing.

 

Even the so called liberal Muslims would pick India becoming a Islamic nation in a heartbeat. Atleast most of them.

 

 

I agree that there are multiple layers. Which is why the thread question, which assumes that the conflict is only because of Kashmir,  is not straight forward to answer as Kashmir itself would have had options. Other factors could determine the direction as well.
 

For e.g. if the the king is overthrown and killing of Hindus becomes a policy in Kashmir, Ind would have to get involved anyways. On the other hand, if Kashmir remained under the Maharaja, it would enjoy great relationships with India

 

PS not to forget the issues in BD/East Pakistan

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9 minutes ago, javier26 said:

Guess that boils down to being Bengalis under the Muslim identity, a culture that doesn't celebrate Wars, Conquets or aspires domination . Bengali Culture is very feminine unlike the Punjabi,  Pashtun,  Haryanvi or Maratha cultures which are too toxic and hyper masculine. Bangaldeshis are content in celebrating Poila Boisakh, listening to Rabindra Sangeet and do not worship Invaders or fantasize about the glorious Islamic past of India  unlike Pakistani or even Indian Muslims. 

 

If we consider Hindu Bengalis and Pakistani ( Punjabi/Pashtun ) Muslims as two ends of the extreme then the Bangaldeshis would be in the middle.  Their Muslimness prohibits  them from being full overblown liberals like Bengali Hindus and their Bengaliness prohibits them from becoming religious zealots like the Pakistanis. 

Hahah what an absolute piece of drivel. 

Here's a list of prominent revolutionaries from Bengal: 

Bagha Jatin, Surya Sen, Khudiram Bose, Ghosh Brothers, Jatin Das, Prafulla Chaki, Pulin Das, Sachin Sanyal etc. 

 

Both Subhash Bose and Ras behari Bose , two stalwarts behind Indian National Army were from Bengal. 

So much for effeminate Bengalis, eh? 

Remind me again what has Haryana contributed to deserve this Hyper Masculine tag? 

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1 minute ago, Gollum said:

BD liberation had to happen at some point, not like there wasn't resentment in East Pakistan, and what about the refugee crisis? Kashmir had very little to do with what happened in 1971. Racism, indifference, exploitation, Urdu vs Bengali, Bengali Muslims not Muslim enough, genocide......

If India and Pakistan had no war in 1965 and friendly relations then there was no chance of India interfering in Bangladesh. India hardly interfere in other countries dispute. Yes refugee crissis was an issue but I doubt India would had gone to war to solve that.

 

Also because of enemity over Kashmir India and Pakistan gone to side of Soviet and USA without that it would had been different story. And without Soviet not supporting that war India would not had gone to war

 

 

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1 minute ago, First class said:

 India-Pak , would have been like USA-Canada. 

Usa- Canada are 2 secular democratic countries. 
 

While India is,Pak is not.

 

Ind-Pak Split shouldn’t have happened to begin with but it has happened and you cannot Undo that however the foundation of Pakistan is on the premise that co existing with other religions and cultures is impossible so yeah it’s one of those romantic ideas that are not practical.

 

Let Pak declare itself a secular state then maybe 

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At one point in my life, I was an idealist who dreamt about the subcon becoming a EU like zone (no troops on borders, free movement of ppl and trade, common currency, etc) :((

 

As a cricket fan, I even speculated on how strong a united subcon team be 

 

I am glad to have overcome this period :two_thumbs_up:

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16 hours ago, Global.Baba said:

Usa- Canada are 2 secular democratic countries. 
 

While India is,Pak is not.

 

Ind-Pak Split shouldn’t have happened to begin with but it has happened and you cannot Undo that however the foundation of Pakistan is on the premise that co existing with other religions and cultures is impossible so yeah it’s one of those romantic ideas that are not practical.

 

Let Pak declare itself a secular state then maybe 

India was, not anymore.

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2 hours ago, Global.Baba said:

You mean like how the dictatorship at  BJP has Overruled the public verdict or constitutional framework  in state elections in Maharashtra and Delhi recently?

Prime examples of India being a secular country was displayed during Modi's tenure as Gujrat's CM and democracy at its best is event in Kasmir, otherwise everything is Kosher. You can talk many other things about India and can be proud of but not these. 

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