Is Hardik Pandya more talented than Jadeja in tests?

[Trichromatic]

37 minutes ago, zen said:

a) More talented than Jadeja

Heard it for first time and came off as a surprise. Wondering how many of you actually believe that Pandya is more talented than Jadeja in tests.

[velu]

definitely has more potential talent ..

 

ps:-

now you will ask how 

[zen]

5 minutes ago, velu said:

definitely has more potential talent ..

 

ps:-

now you will ask how 

Usually, Pandya would be batting higher than Jadeja in most formats, can bowl at 140+ (which not many in Ind can and where we can find a bunch of quality spinners) 

 

Also in his first season, Pandya won us a test in SENA, has a 100 in SL, 90 in difficult batting conditions in SA .... don’t recall what Jadeja did in his first season

[Trichromatic]

7 minutes ago, zen said:

Usually, Pandya would be batting higher than Jadeja in most formats, can bowl at 140+ (which not many in Ind can and where we can find a bunch of quality spinners) 

  

 Also in his first season, Pandya won us a test in SENA, has a 100 in SL, 90 in difficult batting conditions in SA .... don’t recall what Jadeja did in his first season

Australian whitewash in his first full series with top performance.

 

On top of that he entered team as proven domestic performer who averaged 50 in FC cricket with bat itself.

[zen]

Jadeja in his first two years

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	Span	Mat	Runs	HS	Bat Av	100	Wkts	BBI	Bowl Av	5	Ct	St	Ave Diff
unfiltered	2012-2019	41	1485	100*	32.28	1	192	7/48	23.68	9	31	0	8.59	Profile
filtered	2012-2014	12	364	68	21.41	0	45	6/138	30.37	2	11	0	-8.96

 

 

Pandya in his first season (and played most of his games in SA and Eng, and did not even get to use a relatively new ball on many occassions)

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[Khota]

22 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

Heard it for first time and came off as a surprise. Wondering how many of you actually believe that Pandya is more talented than Jadeja in tests.

I truly don't understand the talented word but I will pick Jadeja over Pandya anytime, anywhere.

[zen]

22 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

On top of that he entered team as proven domestic performer who averaged 50 in FC cricket with bat itself.

Useless metric as Pandya averages as much as Jadeja, who only averaged 21 with the bat in his first two years 

 

So a first class avg of 50 translated in to a career avg of 32 so far and only 21 in his first two years  .... While Pandya is avg 31 in his first season 

[R!TTER]

Just now, velu said:

definitely has more potential talent ..

 

ps:-

now you will ask how 

What potential or talent? If 140kph is the barometer then Watson was 2x the player Pandya can ever be & even he wasn't a fix until after IPL 2008 for Aus. Bowling 150kph is talent, we've had literally thousands of 140 kph bowlers play at some level in FC or list A, even T20 around the world.

[Temujin Khaghan]

It's like this.. there are other players who can replace jadeja in tests played in India.

 

But if we can develop pandya like holder or stokes then he will be irreplaceable for India in tests played in overseas.

 

Don't underestimate pandya. even Jason  holder was deemed "ordinary" at the beginning. Now he is a superb player. I believe even pandya can develop like that given time and guidance.

[Temujin Khaghan]

All-rounders whose primary skill is very close to their secondary skill like for example Flintoff, stokes and Jason holder need some time to properly understand their game. Because unlike kallis or hadlee they don't have a security to fall back on to think for themselves that they are good enough to be in the team for their primary skill alone. 

 

Pandya too doesn't have a clear cut primary skill though he leans towards batting more. Given time, he is a potential 100 tests - 6000 runs - 250 wickets level player.

[chewy]

Many experts and many on ICF wrote off Jadeja as waste of time and he use to get some real hate here, but has become one of the best Test spinners going around and instrumental in India's absolute home domination. 

 

If India wants an pace all-rounder, then Pandya should be allowed similar rope, especially games in India. 

Edited January 26, 2019 by chewy

[R!TTER]

As has been said Holder had a great FC record, Padya has no FC record to speak of. He still can't build an innings in tough conditions & is a liability on flat tracks.

[Rightarmfast]

Pandya and talent? Lolz, can I have a puff of that smoke?

[zen]

40 minutes ago, Temujin Khaghan said:

Pandya too doesn't have a clear cut primary skill though he leans towards batting more. Given time, he is a potential 100 tests - 6000 runs - 250 wickets level player.

Some of the guys who Pandya is being compared with are playing at their peak and playing tests since a few years. Pandya at his peak could be a beast 

[Trichromatic]

1 hour ago, zen said:

Useless metric as Pandya averages as much as Jadeja, who only averaged 21 with the bat in his first two years 

 

 So a first class avg of 50 translated in to a career avg of 32 so far and only 21 in his first two years  .... While Pandya is avg 31 in his first season 

So avg of 50 has transalted to 31.

 

Pandya's avg of 30 has translated to 30.

 

Why do you think it will go higher? It can't go higher without hard work in domestic cricket.

[zen]

Just now, Trichromatic said:

So avg of 50 has transalted to 31.

 

Pandya's avg of 30 has translated to 30.

 

Why do you think it will go higher? It can't go higher.

It shows that FC avgs are unreliable much like performances vs BD and Zim are 

 

I thought it is understood that Pandya has been fast tracked, is developing and yet to peak 

 

 

 

[Rightarmfast]

History shows that the International avg of any player is atleat 5-10 lower than domestic average. Pandya would be a special case to defy that 

[carnish]

7 hours ago, Temujin Khaghan said:

It's like this.. there are other players who can replace jadeja in tests played in India.

 

But if we can develop pandya like holder or stokes then he will be irreplaceable for India in tests played in overseas.

 

Don't underestimate pandya. even Jason  holder was deemed "ordinary" at the beginning. Now he is a superb player. I believe even pandya can develop like that given time and guidance.

No one is underestimating Pandya.. infact all I can see are people overhyping him.. this bloke has potential but all this hype can definitely go to his head and that should not be the case.. he needs to be managed and encouraged but calling him next best thing since Kapil dev is not going to help. 

[Stradlater]

Yeah probably in those 'tests' where you gotta make a move on a girl while observing her dancing.

Edited January 27, 2019 by Stradlater

[MCcricket]

If people cannot grasp that we have only one candidate after Kapil who can bowl at 140 k and has batting talent, it is a rare commodity, like we had Srinath one fast bowler in all these years.

How dumb are people or letting their hatred cloud their judgement