express bowling Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 (edited) Batsmen who have both good front foot and good back foot games, have much better chances of doing well all over the world. And Shubman Gill fits the bill. He is obviously a top batting talent as everyone knows. He comes across as a very international-type batsman with some old school qualities. Pluses ---- • Plays the ball under his eyes. • Has a rather early back and across trigger movement. • Gets a lot of time to play quick bowlers. • Decisive foot work, both front and back. • Good front foot game. Drives sublimely ... flicks delicately and very fine ... defends decisively. • Good back foot game. Fierce and powerful cutter who can cut even close to his body ... pulls strongly ... defends decisively on the back foot too. • Has an idea about his off stump. Leaves leavable deliveries. • Can rotate the strike with spinners operating. • Has the gift of timing. • Has the power game for his age and can hit big shots and powerful ground shots. • Seems very calm and unhurried at the crease while batting. • Is very consistent at FC level and has shown both the hunger for runs as well as the ability play big innings. Has done really well for India-A. We don't know ---- • How he is against genuine swing bowling in places like England. • How he would tackle quick pacers on the bouncy tracks of SA, Australia. ( Was playing Nortje, bowling quick, with awesome ease in India ) Stats ---- FC Matches. 13 Runs. 1348 Average 75 SR. 76 100s. 4 50s. 7 Highest. 268 List-A Matches. 47 Runs. 1942 Average 47 SR. 88 100s. 5 50s. 10 Highest. 123 * He is someone who needs to be invested in immediately and given a long rope in international cricket while making his spot secure for 15 tests and 25 ODIs. Looks like the complete package as a batsman. Edited August 29, 2019 by express bowling Suhaan, Vijy, tweaker and 6 others 4 5 Link to comment
Oldhere Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 Completely agree with you sir but can you tell me in whose place should he play in tests. In Odis he will be playing very soon. Link to comment
Jimmy Cliff Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 Rahane and Vihari got 50s in the last Test so Test spot is gone for now unless Pujara fails in 2-3 Tests. He can be the no. 4 in ODIs but I guess Iyer has got that role now. Gill would pretty much be wasted lower down the order. So in the short term he has to wait unfortunately. Not that this is what I want but this is what I think will happen. raki05 1 Link to comment
express bowling Posted August 29, 2019 Author Share Posted August 29, 2019 11 minutes ago, Oldhere said: Completely agree with you sir but can you tell me in whose place should he play in tests. Get him in the test squad. Either a place will open up soon as one of Rahane or Vihari shows inconsistency. Or both Vihari and Rahane are so consistent that we don't mind Gill having to wait for some time. Both are win-win situations for us. Mosher, nevada and maniac 3 Link to comment
express bowling Posted August 29, 2019 Author Share Posted August 29, 2019 15 minutes ago, Jimmy Cliff said: Rahane and Vihari got 50s in the last Test so Test spot is gone for now unless Pujara fails in 2-3 Tests. He can be the no. 4 in ODIs but I guess Iyer has got that role now. Gill would pretty much be wasted lower down the order. So in the short term he has to wait unfortunately. Not that this is what I want but this is what I think will happen. Gill at 4, Iyer at 5, Pant at 6 and Hardik at 7 Jimmy Cliff, SUMO and Mosher 3 Link to comment
Mosher Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 29 minutes ago, express bowling said: Gill at 4, Iyer at 5, Pant at 6 and Hardik at 7 This middle order will be great to watch. maniac, express bowling and Under_Score 3 Link to comment
express bowling Posted August 29, 2019 Author Share Posted August 29, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Mosher said: This middle order will be great to watch. Will give great balance to our ODI team too. Great hitting powerr from 5 to 7 and solidity with strokes at 3 and 4. Edited August 29, 2019 by express bowling Mosher 1 Link to comment
SUMO Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 33 minutes ago, express bowling said: Gill at 4, Iyer at 5, Pant at 6 and Hardik at 7 Correct. May be this is going to be the batting order for us in 2023. Along with rohit, rahul, virat in top 3. express bowling 1 Link to comment
express bowling Posted August 29, 2019 Author Share Posted August 29, 2019 3 minutes ago, SUMO said: Correct. May be this is going to be the batting order for us in 2023. Along with rohit, rahul, virat in top 3. I would love to try Shaw at 2, partnerng Rohit, when he comes back. SUMO and Mosher 2 Link to comment
SUMO Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 1 minute ago, express bowling said: I would love to try Shaw at 2, partnerng Rohit, when he comes back. Yeah shaw/rahul anyone who establishes himself. I would love to have a lefty at the top. maybe kishan, or if pant opens. We can try Dubey at no. 6 Link to comment
putrevus Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 They need to try Gill now so he/team has ample time to decide on his future.Gill should have played in odis in WI.If Rahul continues to screw up his chances he should be tried as a test opener.Mayank needs to be given ample chances too, you just cannot discard him after one or two failures.Rahul has gotten enough chances. express bowling and vaul 2 Link to comment
vaul Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 5 hours ago, express bowling said: Batsmen who have both good front foot and good back foot games, have much better chances of doing well all over the world. And Shubman Gill fits the bill. He is obviously a top batting talent as everyone knows. He comes across as a very international-type batsman with some old school qualities. Pluses ---- • Plays the ball under his eyes. • Has a rather early back and across trigger movement. • Gets a lot of time to play quick bowlers. • Decisive foot work, both front and back. • Good front foot game. Drives sublimely ... flicks delicately and very fine ... defends decisively. • Good back foot game. Fierce and powerful cutter who can cut even close to his body ... pulls strongly ... defends decisively on the back foot too. • Has an idea about his off stump. Leaves leavable deliveries. • Can rotate the strike with spinners operating. • Has the gift of timing. • Has the power game for his age and can hit big shots and powerful ground shots. • Seems very calm and unhurried at the crease while batting. • Is very consistent at FC level and has shown both the hunger for runs as well as the ability play big innings. Has done really well for India-A. We don't know ---- • How he is against genuine swing bowling in places like England. • How he would tackle quick pacers on the bouncy tracks of SA, Australia. ( Was playing Nortje, bowling quick, with awesome ease in India ) Stats ---- FC Matches. 13 Runs. 1348 Average 75 SR. 76 100s. 4 50s. 7 Highest. 268 List-A Matches. 47 Runs. 1942 Average 47 SR. 88 100s. 5 50s. 10 Highest. 123 * He is someone who needs to be invested in immediately and given a long rope in international cricket while making his spot secure for 15 tests and 25 ODIs. Looks like the complete package as a batsman. He can play moving ball better than any batsman in India because he has ability to play ball as late as possible,even later than Smith.He is natural opener but team management discriminate against him by promoting Easwaran/Panchal ahead of him.Both of these favourites of Dravid were out in slip corridor/keeper on several occasion on recent WI tour but Gill did not edged the ball even once. Only weakness in Gill's game is shot selection and innings building skill.He sometimes throw away his wicket by playing too casual or not placing ball right.He must learn shot selection from Kohli's game. express bowling and Mosher 2 Link to comment
prudent_kreeda Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 5 hours ago, express bowling said: Gill at 4, Iyer at 5, Pant at 6 and Hardik at 7 Ideal. But no back up bowler in emergency as 6th option. Cannot go with that combo most of the times. Link to comment
express bowling Posted August 29, 2019 Author Share Posted August 29, 2019 34 minutes ago, prudent_kreeda said: Ideal. But no back up bowler in emergency as 6th option. Cannot go with that combo most of the times. Since we are 4 years away from the WC, and most ODIs are low profile bilateral series without much consequence, I would still like to go with this combo because all of Gill, Iyer and Pant need to be given a lot of opportunities to develop their games for WC 2023. Mosher 1 Link to comment
ExtremeBrainfade Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 6 hours ago, express bowling said: Batsmen who have both good front foot and good back foot games, have much better chances of doing well all over the world. And Shubman Gill fits the bill. He is obviously a top batting talent as everyone knows. He comes across as a very international-type batsman with some old school qualities. Pluses ---- • Plays the ball under his eyes. • Has a rather early back and across trigger movement. • Gets a lot of time to play quick bowlers. • Decisive foot work, both front and back. • Good front foot game. Drives sublimely ... flicks delicately and very fine ... defends decisively. • Good back foot game. Fierce and powerful cutter who can cut even close to his body ... pulls strongly ... defends decisively on the back foot too. • Has an idea about his off stump. Leaves leavable deliveries. • Can rotate the strike with spinners operating. • Has the gift of timing. • Has the power game for his age and can hit big shots and powerful ground shots. • Seems very calm and unhurried at the crease while batting. • Is very consistent at FC level and has shown both the hunger for runs as well as the ability play big innings. Has done really well for India-A. We don't know ---- • How he is against genuine swing bowling in places like England. • How he would tackle quick pacers on the bouncy tracks of SA, Australia. ( Was playing Nortje, bowling quick, with awesome ease in India ) Stats ---- FC Matches. 13 Runs. 1348 Average 75 SR. 76 100s. 4 50s. 7 Highest. 268 List-A Matches. 47 Runs. 1942 Average 47 SR. 88 100s. 5 50s. 10 Highest. 123 * He is someone who needs to be invested in immediately and given a long rope in international cricket while making his spot secure for 15 tests and 25 ODIs. Looks like the complete package as a batsman. Sorry, he does not have a FC 300. Until he gets that, he must keep playing domestics. Grinding it out for 5-6 years in domestics and debuting at age 27 is ideal. .... .... or some excuse like that will be trotted out. Link to comment
putrevus Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 Problem with Gill, Iyer,Pant and Pandya in the middle order is you will have just 4 main bowlers and Pandya will be fifth bowler.I don't think it is going to be long term option.You need 6 to 7 bowling options now. Even in test team if Gill plays he will be just one dimensional player. Link to comment
prudent_kreeda Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 3 hours ago, express bowling said: Since we are 4 years away from the WC, and most ODIs are low profile bilateral series without much consequence, I would still like to go with this combo because all of Gill, Iyer and Pant need to be given a lot of opportunities to develop their games for WC 2023. Better option is at least 1 out of Dhawan , Rohit & Kohli should not be in then team in each bilateral series. Then you can give more exposure to young guys . Also we need to have ready made replacements for opening . Cannot just go on playing Dhawan & Rohit always . We may find both have regressed by 2023 in worst case scenario and then panic. Link to comment
express bowling Posted August 29, 2019 Author Share Posted August 29, 2019 1 hour ago, prudent_kreeda said: Better option is at least 1 out of Dhawan , Rohit & Kohli should not be in then team in each bilateral series. Then you can give more exposure to young guys . Also we need to have ready made replacements for opening If we take a practical stance then Rohit is not going anywhere. Kohli will keep Dhawan too. In case he is replaced due to extreme bad form, Rahul is going to come in. Personally, I would like to see Shaw replace Dhawan. 1 hour ago, prudent_kreeda said: . Cannot just go on playing Dhawan & Rohit always . We may find both have regressed by 2023 in worst case scenario and then panic. Looking at how Dhoni was persisted with, don't expect such a step from this TM. Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 Not entirely unhappy that he is not in national squad. This is the age he shud play max cricket as possible .....Indian cricket follows a que system due to which even if he wud have been selected he wud have warmed the bench most games. Its better he is playing constantly for A games, duleep, Domestic......the more he plays the better he gets. No one improves by sitting on bench. Neways under kohlihe wud have been gievn an unfair run and been made to bat all over the order . National Cap isnt far away.......playing so many games all over the world like currently he is will only improve him raki05 1 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 (edited) 13 hours ago, express bowling said: Gill at 4, Iyer at 5, Pant at 6 and Hardik at 7 Dont think iyer bowling is good enough to be banked as 6th bowler. For one slot has to go among- Jadeja, shankar, krunal, sundar, Abhishek sharma, rana, dube has to be looked in next 4 years........among them jadeja holds the biggest advantage with his fielding in bowling (as wc 2023 is in India) Edited August 29, 2019 by Ankit_sharma03 Link to comment
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