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Paatal Lok - Another Hinduphobic web series?

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Not a fan of one-sided narratives. If makers are in the mood to only discuss about victimization of a certain community I think I will give it a pass. You (maker of these kind of shows) wanna make some points about bigotry against Muslims, don't leave out the grooming gangs part, if you want to talk about gau related lynchings don't leave out lynchings and violent crime carried out by minorities which have done 10x more damage to the social fabric of the nation. But who am I kidding?

 

Most of us dharmics won't have a problem with these kind of depictions in isolation and that is because we aren't rigid, but we do notice that we are soft targets. Any criticism of Muslims/Islam will only result in violence (and Muslims hold the grudge for a long long time) while it is taboo in India to discuss rapes in convents (spare a thought for the Kerala nuns, church defended that rapist father Franco Mulakkal). Come to think of it Bollywood has made multiple propaganda movies about 2002 (of course why bother about train burning or Hindu victims?) and bigoted/narrow mindset of Hindus but not one honest movie about the KP exodus/genocide or 1984 riots. Why?

 

So this isn't just a depiction, looks more like a smear campaign and the trend is pretty obvious...demonize the dharmics and provide cover to extremism/intolerance elsewhere. I guess dharmics in general and Hindus in particular have a lot of self-hate, maybe this is because of our last 1000 years history where almost all our forefathers were enslaved by outsiders, our confidence in dharmic roots and cultural pride have been more or less destroyed and the Marxist school textbooks didn't help matters. I still don't understand why we don't edit our school books, that is the starting point to correct our timid, meek, apologetic mindset...attitudes must be conditioned from a young age. 

 

An urban Naxal and murder (of adivasi) accused like Nandini Sundar ('The Wire' founder SVardarajan's wife) was involved in writing CBSE social science textbooks, elsewhere Teesta Setalvad is involved in curriculum and content creation in state boards. No attempt to correct that, will take a couple of minutes to find the toxic **** that is shoved down the throats of impressionable young minds. Sorry for the digression but the reason why we find ourselves in this mess is because we live in the present while the other side plans for the next couple of decades, we are mostly noisy and content with a few tactical victories, the other side is in for the long haul, more strategical !!! While we celebrate a few election victories and beat the drums, the other side is still in control of most of the machine parts be it academia, entertainment industry, judiciary or bureaucracy. What Modi couldn't do with 300 seats, Sonia did with just 140 and here we see arrogant bhakts calling her waitress, bargirl, dumb, stupid, illiterate etc. Who really is the dumb one here? 

 

Coming back to topic, rest assured we won't go down the path of killing others and damaging public property but about time we stop being apologetic. No one will respect us if we can't respect ourselves, these kind of shows are made because majority Hindus demand so, stand-up comedians take the liberty to mock our deities because 95% of their audience comprises of so called enlightened and super tolerant Hindus from IIM A/B/C who are ever so eager to try to fit in and so encourage this kind of 'entertainment'. 

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@sandeep and @Ankit_sharma03 thanks for the clarifications. I avoid Indian shows, so mostly go by SM accounts and must admit they have a degree of bias and motivation when it comes to reviewing/interpreting these shows. I have my own thoughts about this topic, may even call it bias/prejudice whatever, but not a fan of how our creative minds in entertainment business operate, expect more honesty and courage from the makers. Always easy to go after soft targets. 

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11 hours ago, Vilander said:

I see this liberal woke argument from you always thats its insecurity to be offended by left probaganda ..man i am very impressed. How do you manage to be this fashionable liberal and woke man paa amazing really..

 

 

you can resort to whatever name calling that puffs you up, I DGAF.  Btw, most folks whinging on this thread about 'hinduphobia' have said much worse things about other religions, right here in this forum.  

 

 

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2 hours ago, Gollum said:

I still don't understand why we don't edit our school books, that is the starting point to correct our timid, meek, apologetic mindset...attitudes must be conditioned from a young age. 

google what 'Pakistan studies' is, it seems like you wish for a similar outcome.   

 

Now this is not to say I agree with the history syllabus in India, I like and agree with a lot that Sanjeev Sanyal says.  BUT, let's not allow the pendulum to swing too far the other way.  

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3 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

i have just seen sacred games n Paatal lok, these are false

 

  • Majid is not hero, infact not even a main character....he starts as a chaatu officer 
  • Imran is not the hero, haathi ram chaudhary is ...neither is hathoda tyagi a villian ....hathoda tyagi in the end looks more of a victim and Neeraj kabi character loosely based on rajdeep sardesi is the only one who looks villian in the end . Infact there is no villian villian it is about a system 

    trivedi is a politicon not a don 

No point in trying to question the 'outrage' factory.  Some of these folks think that anybody who doesn't agree with them is "overly liberal" etc etc.  Saving grace is that its just a handful of folks on the forum who echo and amplify each other's "sentiments".  

 

 

 

 

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56 minutes ago, sandeep said:

google what 'Pakistan studies' is, it seems like you wish for a similar outcome.   

 

Now this is not to say I agree with the history syllabus in India, I like and agree with a lot that Sanjeev Sanyal says.  BUT, let's not allow the pendulum to swing too far the other way.  

No middle ground for you guys, if we are complaining about Marxist version and ask for a revision, it will become a sanghi one. There are many like Subhash Kak, Raj Vedam, Meenakshi Jain, Bibek Debroy, scores of right of center intellectuals who would help in correcting course and who are not of the ‘nuclear weapons in Mahabharata’ types. Don’t be a Tharoor who keep harping on Hindu Pakistan. Hindutvadis are not l Islamists.

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14 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

No middle ground for you guys, if we are complaining about Marxist version and ask for a revision, it will become a sanghi one. There are many like Subhash Kak, Raj Vedam, Meenakshi Jain, Bibek Debroy, scores of right of center intellectuals who would help in correcting course and who are not of the ‘nuclear weapons in Mahabharata’ types. Don’t be a Tharoor who keep harping on Hindu Pakistan. Hindutvadis are not l Islamists.

Geez, did you not read the rest of the post? Simply reacted to 'pak studies' as a red rag? I already said I agree with Sanyal, Kak etc about updating the curriculum.  Just need to ensure that the 'corrections' do not go too far. 

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1 minute ago, sandeep said:

Geez, did you not read the rest of the post? Simply reacted to 'pak studies' as a red rag? I already said I agree with Sanyal, Kak etc about updating the curriculum.  Just need to ensure that the 'corrections' do not go too far. 

Saar, pehle shuru to hone do, baad mein regulate karo. Our HRD minister is still gloating about ‘not a single punctuation mark being changed since 2014’ 

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7 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

false , dog name is "savitri" not sati savitri  ......

Spoiler- Dog is used as a symbol of god in this series who comes in as a saviour , the story of yudishtra and the dog is used as of one key themes 

That is odd to call a dog Savitri. Ok, I agree there should be artistic freedom, but never seen such freedom towards other non-Hindu references. 

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1 hour ago, coffee_rules said:

That is odd to call a dog Savitri. Ok, I agree there should be artistic freedom, but never seen such freedom towards other non-Hindu references. 

why is it odd that animals can be named after gods, they are god creation right. 

There is a christian frend of mine who named her dog jesus . 

N no way in the series its demeaning as dog is a symbol of gods frend in the series. If anything name is used to symbolise what the dog stands for 

The dog is a stray pregnant dog whom wife of this guy adopts , the guy doesnt like dogs but in the end he ows his life to the dog.

So whats so evil that in that an offence shud be taken 

 Humans and animals are both god creation , its demeaning if a horrible insane creature is kept is named after it...even then i dont think it coz names are kept by someone who cant predict how that creature will turn out .  

 

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8 hours ago, Gollum said:

I avoid Indian shows, so mostly go by SM accounts and must admit they have a degree of bias and motivation when it comes to reviewing/interpreting these shows.

I get it about interpretation as eveyone has their own POV to every thing.

 

Like how they are receiving same info in a diff way may be the film maker interprets what he is telling in his way . Its all about what one chooses to tell and what one chooses to listen. 

 

For eg playing devils advocate - 

In the Sacred games post i was just wondering why didnt they mention about salim kaka and Sulemani isa two of the dons in Sacred games whose characters are basically shown just as black evil character and no shades given. Gaitonde becomes a don post them . 

So its not that every don is named after a hindu. In 2nd season there is ranvir shorey character shahid khan an IsI agent is there who is behind the nucelar attack plan as much as guruji is . And ofcourse Malcolm character is there a brutal killer .

Even in gaitonde group if anyone backstabs him is a muslim character  

 

Gaitonde if anything keeps his morals very clear that he wont indulge in communal issue and he is the one who decides to go against the plan of bombing Mumbai whereas he cud choose to earn way more money. 

 

But atleast its better to see and make opinion and then love em or hate em its your choice.  Even if u want to ignore them ignore for a fact that people say its quite bad like i choose to ignore season fo Sacred gamed due to bad word of mouth even though i loved season 1 . 

 

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2 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

why is it odd that animals can be named after gods, they are god creation right. 

There is a christian frend of mine who named her dog jesus . 

N no way in the series its demeaning as dog is a symbol of gods frend in the series. If anything name is used to symbolise what the dog stands for 

The dog is a stray pregnant dog whom wife of this guy adopts , the guy doesnt like dogs but in the end he ows his life to the dog.

So whats so evil that in that an offence shud be taken 

 Humans and animals are both god creation , its demeaning if a horrible insane creature is kept is named after it...even then i dont think it coz names are kept by someone who cant predict how that creature will turn out .  

 

Good for her. However, kisi movie mein kutte ka is tarah ka naam rakha toh aate daal ka bhav pataa chalega.

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16 hours ago, sandeep said:

google what 'Pakistan studies' is, it seems like you wish for a similar outcome.  

I wish for objectivity, factual info in our books. Just because I oppose the spins given by Marxist scholars like Romila Thapar, Irfan Habib (hardcore Islamist), Guha, RCM, Nandini Sundar etc. doesn't mean I want us to ape the Pakistanis. And why even compare us with them? Why talk about extremes? Raising such kinds of alarms is the reason we are immune to change. 

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4 hours ago, Audiophile said:

With all Hindutva chaatnewallas riled up, this show must be really good. Will binge watch this and report back! :p:

Need a special show for Bongs, how this lot has been getting butt*ed by Muslims since Bakhtiyar Khilji's arrival outside Lakshmana Sena's palace with a cavalry of 20. No equivalence of this anywhere else on the planet, and so many highlights just in the last 115 years :partyall:

 

Should release it on Prime, Netflix, Hotstar and Pornhub simultaneously to do justice to the spirit of the mighty community :p:.  Our makers will enjoy the subject matter and whatever spin they give, who cares? And if anything, can't be worse than reality. Allahu Akbar:yay:

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9 hours ago, Jimmy Cliff said:

Good for her. However, kisi movie mein kutte ka is tarah ka naam rakha toh aate daal ka bhav pataa chalega.

Christians protested over some movie where a corrupt priest was shown, Malamaal something and that scene had to be cut.

Then there was that play 'Agnes of God' in Mumbai, I think it was cancelled.

AIB morons, Hrithik had to apologize to the community over some low level jokes. Many more such examples of individuals apologizing for crossing the line.

That movie 'Da Vinci Code' was banned in most of our states by liberal Congressis cos of blasphemy. At a time when it was running in screens in many Christian majority countries. 

 

Thankfully the Christians don't damage public property, chop body parts or do boom kaboom like them who must not be named. And they have relatively short memories. They are similar to dharmics in that respect and max you can expect some black ink attack, vandalizing of sets or dharna...annoying but tolerable. And I am grateful for that.

 

Compare that to what happened with Vishwaroopam or Zulfiqar....latter was directed by a LW sympathizer and it accurately portrayed a certain part of Kolkata where minority gangs run the show and an area notorious for producing terrorists. What happened next was blacked out by MSM but there were a few burnt theatres, hostels, shops, schools and Mamata personally had a screening of the movie at her residence along with leading clerics (all of them vocal critics of 1971 war crimes tribunal) and they came together to decide which scenes to cut.  Those are the tolerant, liberal champions of FOE and us lowly guys are the threat to the nation who want to make India a Hindu Pakistan. Why? Because we make some online posts about certain depictions in our movies and TV shows, figure that out.

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17 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

Saar, pehle shuru to hone do, baad mein regulate karo. Our HRD minister is still gloating about ‘not a single punctuation mark being changed since 2014’ 

Murli Manohar Joshi (Vajpayee's HRD Min) during his tenure oversaw some changes in our modern history walleh textbooks and introduced many unsung heroes of the freedom movement (and agents of social reform) like Surya Sen and other revolutionaries from Bengal, Aurobindo, Vinoba Bhave, Vidyasagar, Kazi Nazrul Islam etc. He gave more space to the likes of Ambedkar, Patel, Bhagat Singh, Bose, Savarkar bros (India House role) etc. Even then there was a lot of opposition by the Marxists/Islamists in academia who were nothing but stooges of that faltu family.

 

They opposed the inclusion of left leaning Bose and Bhagat Singh as well because they didn't want the role of Nehru-Gandhi to be undermined. So Bose was a fascist and Bhagat a terrorist, imagine the nerve !!!! They have always wanted to show that our freedom struggle was entirely carried out by a handful few and only by non-violence, whatever to elevate that first family of ours. They didn't include the naval mutiny in our textbooks, I mean that was the final nail in the coffin for the Raj, not a few half naked, malnourished men blocking some random street corners. Many of those who participated in the mutiny were affiliated to our communist parties, yet the Marxist historians have always tried to suppress that part of our history. So if I want more awareness and acknowledgement about the role of the communists in our struggle for independence, what does that make me? Shouldn't the lefties be happy that a BJP supporter like me appreciates 'red' freedom fighters more than some of their own ilk?

 

Also why must we read so much about that bigot Sir Syed Ahmed Khan while ignoring say a Birsa Munda? Was our medieval history just about Delhi Sultans and Mughals? That unfortunate part is the Irfan Habib legacy, same guy who tries to normalize ISIS today. 

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21 hours ago, sandeep said:

 Btw, most folks whinging on this thread about 'hinduphobia' have said much worse things about other religions, right here in this forum.  

Those folks aren't public personalities, have limited reach, and you can't compare online chats with what happens in the real world. 

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8 hours ago, Gollum said:

Need a special show for Bongs, how this lot has been getting butt*ed by Muslims since Bakhtiyar Khilji's arrival outside Lakshmana Sena's palace with a cavalry of 20. No equivalence of this anywhere else on the planet, and so many highlights just in the last 115 years :partyall:

 

Should release it on Prime, Netflix, Hotstar and Pornhub simultaneously to do justice to the spirit of the mighty community :p:.  Our makers will enjoy the subject matter and whatever spin they give, who cares? And if anything, can't be worse than reality. Allahu Akbar:yay:

As Hindutva-chaat khaane wala, you are rooting for the massacre of fellow Hindu Bongs? What kind of fan are you then? You are a fake fan, I will tell Chaiwala! :rotfl:

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We aren't going to create a scene but will keep pointing out this hypocrisy. Usual suspects will say ki this series has nothing to do with Hindu Gods, why so sensitive yada yada. 

@coffee_rules @Jimmy Cliff Is it possible to have a web series like Muhammad and his Aisha or Jesus and his Mary Magdalene. Latter I can imagine in some isolated pocket but do you think it is possible to have the former as title and avoid WW-3 at the same time? 

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2 hours ago, Gollum said:

We aren't going to create a scene but will keep pointing out this hypocrisy. Usual suspects will say ki this series has nothing to do with Hindu Gods, why so sensitive yada yada. 

@coffee_rules @Jimmy Cliff Is it possible to have a web series like Muhammad and his Aisha or Jesus and his Mary Magdalene. Latter I can imagine in some isolated pocket but do you think it is possible to have the former as title and avoid WW-3 at the same time? 

My faith is strong and  blind to these fictional entertainment, I will bury my head in the sand and pretend they don’t exist.

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7 hours ago, Gollum said:

Already happened, just have to make a show about that :yay:

Like I said, you seem to revel in fellow Hindu Bongs being sidestepped by illegal Musselmen from Bangbruhdesh, and you call yourself a Hindutva-prachari? :rotfl: I think you have skeletons in your closet ... me thinks you are Musselman masquerading as a Hindu fanatic, sorta like a gay person living as a heterosexual in self hate. Please come out, we will still love you! :giggle:

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2 hours ago, Audiophile said:

Like I said, you seem to revel in fellow Hindu Bongs being sidestepped by illegal Musselmen from Bangbruhdesh, and you call yourself a Hindutva-prachari? :rotfl: I think you have skeletons in your closet ... me thinks you are Musselman masquerading as a Hindu fanatic, sorta like a gay person living as a heterosexual in self hate. Please come out, we will still love you! :giggle:

Budhhey ki jal gayi.....smiley laga k jalan chipa raha hai....

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6 hours ago, Audiophile said:

Like I said, you seem to revel in fellow Hindu Bongs being sidestepped by illegal Musselmen from Bangbruhdesh, and you call yourself a Hindutva-prachari? :rotfl: I think you have skeletons in your closet ... me thinks you are Musselman masquerading as a Hindu fanatic, sorta like a gay person living as a heterosexual in self hate. Please come out, we will still love you! :giggle:

Aaah triggered, you must have typed that with teeth gritted and BP going out of control :hysterical:

চাপ নিয়ো না, আপনি তো এখানে সিনিয়র সিটিজেন

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12 hours ago, raki05 said:

Budhhey ki jal gayi.....smiley laga k jalan chipa raha hai....

I am not as budhdha as you think I am. Nonetheless, you will be budhdha one day, and some young ausshole will be making fun of you. What goes around comes around brother.

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8 hours ago, Gollum said:

Aaah triggered, you must have typed that with teeth gritted and BP going out of control :hysterical:

চাপ নিয়ো না, আপনি তো এখানে সিনিয়র সিটিজেন

I don't get triggered by SM posts. It is after all a pissing contest between keyboard warriors. What is a senior citizen in India? I am over 15 years from being one here.

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1 hour ago, Audiophile said:

I am not as budhdha as you think I am. Nonetheless, you will be budhdha one day, and some young ausshole will be making fun of you. What goes around comes around brother.

Atleast I will not be sitting at foreign nation and continuously bullshiting/cribbing about my motherland and the country which has offered me job. BTW....you are already been so defensive in ur last few post so nevermind.

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2 hours ago, raki05 said:

Atleast I will not be sitting at foreign nation and continuously bullshiting/cribbing about my motherland and the country which has offered me job. BTW....you are already been so defensive in ur last few post so nevermind.

You are a bit thick in the head, aren't you? A country that offers me job - WTF does that even mean and complaining about something does not mean there is no appreciation. Anyway, I do not want to waste time arguing with you. Reply all you want, but I have made my final post on this. 

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4 hours ago, Audiophile said:

I don't get triggered by SM posts. It is after all a pissing contest between keyboard warriors. What is a senior citizen in India? I am over 15 years from being one here.

Just some harmless fun/banter man, all cool. 

 

Senior citizen cutoff in India different from the same on a sports forum :phehe:, again was just kidding. 

 

Enough of digression from my end. 

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1 hour ago, Gollum said:

Just some harmless fun/banter man, all cool. 

 

Senior citizen cutoff in India different from the same on a sports forum :phehe:, again was just kidding. 

 

Enough of digression from my end. 

No worries. I was not offended. We all will be one someday, me much earlier than you.

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