MSK Prasad declares the identification of 15 bowlers for the future

[tweaker]

MSK Prasad, the senior National selection committee chairman declared on Wednesday that 15 medium pacers have been identified for the future and the exposure tours which are scheduled to benefit them are to begin with the India ‘A’ fixtures in the coming months.

[tweaker]

According to MSK Prasad, all the bowlers are bowling at a pace of 140 km/h and are expected to give a tough fight to the existing bunch of Indian bowlers for a spot in the team.

[Pollack]

Names please?

[tweaker]

The 15 pacers include 5 left armer

[speedheat]

K and k factors again, we need strike bowlers with pace in all three formats

So all can bowl 14Okph but still listed as medium pacers??

[express bowling]

He has not named the pacers

 

List  probably includes

 

Aniket C

Thampi

Nathu

Khejroliya

Aaron

Shardul

Sran

Saini

Sangwan

Rajpoot

Warrier

Nagarkotti

Chama

Siraj

Dhawal

 

 

 

p.s -  Some pacers being picked for A teams and Emerging nations tournament etc. cannot bowl at 140 k + ..... like  Aswin Crist, Dhawal Kulkarni, Chama Milind , M.Siraj,  Kanishk  Seth.  But I  suspect some of them are included too.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited April 7, 2017 by express bowling

[express bowling]

52 minutes ago, speedheat said:

So all can bowl 14Okph but still listed as medium pacers??

 

Just look at the negative bias against Indian fast bowlers

 

Umesh Yadav, bowling 135 k to 148 k for many years,  and bowling fiery spells in test matches,   is listed as " Fast medium "  in  espncricinfo,  cricbuzz,  as well as by the TV broadcasters.

 

http://www.espncricinfo.com/india/content/player/376116.html

 

http://www.cricbuzz.com/profiles/1858/umesh-yadav

 

Bumrah bowling 135 k to 144 k is listed as " medium " in espncricinfo and cricbuzz  and " medium fast "  by the IPL telecasters.

 

http://www.espncricinfo.com/india/content/player/625383.html

 

http://www.cricbuzz.com/profiles/9311/jasprit-bumrah

 

Hardik Pandya  bowling  135 k to 146 k  is listed as " medium fast "  by espncricinfo as well as by the IPL telecasters and  " medium " by cricbuzz.

 

http://www.espncricinfo.com/india/content/player/625371.html

 

http://www.cricbuzz.com/profiles/9647/hardik-pandya

 

 

 

 

 

Edited April 7, 2017 by express bowling

[speedheat]

 

 

 

Just look at the negative bias against Indian fast bowlers

 

 

 

Umesh Yadav, bowling 135 k to 148 k for many years,  and bowling fiery spells in test matches,   is listed as " Fast medium "  in  espncricinfo,  cricbuzz,  as well as by the TV broadcasters.

 

 

 

http://www.espncricinfo.com/india/content/player/376116.html

 

 

 

http://www.cricbuzz.com/profiles/1858/umesh-yadav

 

 

 

Bumrah bowling 135 k to 144 k is listed as " medium " in espncricinfo and cricbuzz  and " medium fast "  by the IPL telecasters.

 

 

 

http://www.espncricinfo.com/india/content/player/625383.html

 

 

 

http://www.cricbuzz.com/profiles/9311/jasprit-bumrah

 

 

 

Hardik Pandya  bowling  135 k to 145 k is listed as " medium fast "  by espncricinfo as well as by the IPL telecasters and  " medium " by cricbuzz.

 

 

 

http://www.espncricinfo.com/india/content/player/625371.html

 

 

 

http://www.cricbuzz.com/profiles/9647/hardik-pandya

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Bro, crapinfo is filled with biased Buffon's, I have stopped referring crapinfo long back because of negative bias like you mentioned above.

 

 

[Rightarmfast]

These tags are so biased and incorrect, they dont affect me no more. But whats disheartening is the attitude of commentators. Btw, if all these bowlers bowl above 140 k's, why the hell is MSK Prasad calling them 'medium pacers'?

[MCcricket]

37 minutes ago, Rightarmfast said:

These tags are so biased and incorrect, they dont affect me no more. But whats disheartening is the attitude of commentators. Btw, if all these bowlers bowl above 140 k's, why the hell is MSK Prasad calling them 'medium pacers'?

Because he was such a class BATSMEN that only 180 k or above would be fast for him, Manju, Siva, Bhukle

[chewy]

The IPL telecaster was third class for listing Bumrah as "medium fast", and he was touching 140 kph in match

who are these idoits 

[sandeep]

Why care about labels so much.  Enjoy and focus on the quality of the bowling.  Labels will eventually take care of themselves.  

[Ultimate_Game]

5 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

Just look at the negative bias against Indian fast bowlers

 

Umesh Yadav, bowling 135 k to 148 k for many years,  and bowling fiery spells in test matches,   is listed as " Fast medium "  in  espncricinfo,  cricbuzz,  as well as by the TV broadcasters.

 

http://www.espncricinfo.com/india/content/player/376116.html

 

http://www.cricbuzz.com/profiles/1858/umesh-yadav

 

Bumrah bowling 135 k to 144 k is listed as " medium " in espncricinfo and cricbuzz  and " medium fast "  by the IPL telecasters.

 

http://www.espncricinfo.com/india/content/player/625383.html

 

http://www.cricbuzz.com/profiles/9311/jasprit-bumrah

 

Hardik Pandya  bowling  135 k to 146 k  is listed as " medium fast "  by espncricinfo as well as by the IPL telecasters and  " medium " by cricbuzz.

 

http://www.espncricinfo.com/india/content/player/625371.html

 

http://www.cricbuzz.com/profiles/9647/hardik-pandya

 

 

 

 

 

This categorisation bias has always been there. If it's an Indian pacer the word "Medium" has to be there. Umesh Yadav is as fast as anybody and his average pace is always around the fastest in the business for a Test and yet he's tagged as Fast Medium. If he's Fast Medium I doubt there's anyone who can be termed as Fast bowler. Same with likes of Bhuvi and Bumrah who are termed Medium bowlers whereas their average bowling speed is in high 130s.

[sandeep]

1 hour ago, Stumped said:

Not sure Yadav is quite in the classification of a fast bowler to be honest, he tends to average about 140kmph in test cricket which is probably borderline.

The likes of James Faulkner, Colin de Grandhomme are categorized as fast-medium, along with Umesh Yadav and M Shami.  Yadav and Shami's slower balls are probably quicker than those 2's fastest ones.  You think they are in the same pace bracket?  

 

I could care less about these labels, but I can understand why certain fans get worked up over it.  

[sandeep]

1 hour ago, Stumped said:

 

In both cases I'd personally class them both as medium-fast.

But that's the point - the default assumption about bowler classifications tend to be heavily based on perception which is often geography based.  The pattern is quite clear and consistent.  Again, its a trivial issue.  Who cares what labels are associated, as long as they take wickets.  Kinda like Mao said - as long as it catches mice...

[express bowling]

3 hours ago, Stumped said:

Not sure Yadav is quite in the classification of a fast bowler to be honest, he tends to average about 140kmph in test cricket which is probably borderline.

 

Average pace of 140 k is on the higher side in test matches. For reference, Pat Cummins was having average speeds of 138 k to 141 k in the recently concluded test series.. .but he is classified as fast. Only Mitchell Starc clocks higher average speeds in tests on a consistent basis there days.

 

If Umesh is not classified as fast then neither should Steyn, Morkel, Rabada, Wahab etc..... who have similar or even lower average speeds in test matches compared to Umesh. Yet, they are all dubbed as fast.

Edited April 7, 2017 by express bowling

[Rightarmfast]

16 minutes ago, Stumped said:

 

In both cases I'd personally class them both as medium-fast.

bowlers like Mcgrath, Akram, Walsh were classified as 'fast' for majority of their career. They were always medium pace. Srinath who was way faster than all of them was classified as fast medium. That tells you a story.

 

As far as Umesh yadav is concerned, perhaps people have just started watching cricket. Bowlers like Allan Donald, who was widely regarded as 'White Lightening', used to bowl at an average pace of around 138ish. It was only a few balls which used to cross 145. 

So not sure how someone says yadav is not quick enough to be termed Fast.

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, sandeep said:

Why care about labels so much.  Enjoy and focus on the quality of the bowling.  Labels will eventually take care of themselves.  

Labels do not matter as long as a bowler is playing. People can actually see how quick he is.

 

It starts to matter when a pacer retires and the younger generation, who have never seen him, are discussing him. 

 

Some posters were discussing about Srinath in a foreign forum and they were saying that, as they have never seen him, they will consider the espncricinfo classification as correct.... and he was fast medium. And that is not the correct impression about Srinath's pace.

Edited April 7, 2017 by express bowling

[Mosher]

At least India's fastest bowler Aaron is listed as "Fast" in Cricinfo.

[urnotserious]

8 hours ago, Stumped said:

Not sure Yadav is quite in the classification of a fast bowler to be honest, he tends to average about 140kmph in test cricket which is probably borderline.

Yadav's average is faster than Imran Khan, Wasim Akram, Ambrose, Walsh, Donald, even Waqar and many others that were known to be out and out fast bowlers. Not sure what you mean when you say that his classification of a fast bowler is inaccurate.