Can we trust Pandya+Jadhav with 10 overs?

[sandeep]

3 hours ago, Praggy said:

Just hoping that it doesn't take 100 + Odis to reap rich rewards with pandya

The guy averages 47 with the bat with an SR of 130.   Has already successfully "finished" one ODI chase for us, and came very close to a 2nd one.   

 

Sure he gets smacked around once in a while.  But let's be fair, so have all of our other "specialist" bowlers at one time or another.  If you have unrealistic expectations and want him to be a top ODI bowler who bowls 10 overs every game, then you are bound to be disappointed.  But evaluate him overall, and its hard not to be optimistic.  Skipper VK is certainly all-in on him.  

[vvvslaxman]

Ashwin lacks match fitness. He is too lazy. India should have gone with Kuldeep or Chahal.

[Ankit_sharma03]

2 hours ago, maniac said:

We are in a tricky position...we have so many players who are world class in their own right but we are not able to find that balance

 

Pandya is a gun fielder and the much needed fire power in the end and his bowling is still a work in progress,

 

Shami is leagues ahead of pandya the bowler but that will weaken our lower middle order,

 

apples to apples against a side like Pakistan purely on skill level Ashwin is a slightly better bowler than Jadeja but Jadeja is one of the best fielders in the world and Also slightly a better batsman than  Ashwin in this format

 

apart from Kohli,Dhoni,Rohit and Bumrah no one in this Odi side look a 100% settled even now.

 

Even Dhawan despite having a gun tournament looks like will be a few failures away before Rahul gets his shot.

 

I don't mean it in a negative way because every player I have mentioned are world class players in this format but we seem to have a problem in finding the sure shot right balance and might be a problem even going forward.

We ll find balance with our bowling once we figure out the 6th bowler among krunal n shankar. That will also allow us to have wkt taking spinner in kuldeep as krunal can hold.one end up. Now on few occasions it might lead to jadeja getting dropped but no player is bigger then the team. Shami bhuvi n bumrah shud idealy play with kuldeep as wkt taker in btw and add pandya bros that makes this bowling looks really power ful. Having shankar, ashwin jadeja sran n rajpoot will give us variety and option to try diff combo. 

 

Shami is the best n.most complete bowler so he shud come ahead of any bowler once he is fit. Geniune wkt taker. Once we have shami n kuldeep as wkt takers then bowler like bhuvi, jadeja, bumrah will become more potent. 

 

Dhawan position wud not only be threatned by rahul but pant to. This low run rate will hurt us against good sides. 

M.more concenred about batting as low runrate in intial overs and not a reliable batsman at no. 4 concerns me. 

[Ankit_sharma03]

4 hours ago, Praggy said:

Just hoping that it doesn't take 100 + Odis to reap rich rewards with pandya

He has already perfomed really well in odi he has played. Batting bowling fielding has done well in all dept, people forget he doesnt have much fc experience.  His intial growth is happening on a tough stage only. 

 

Few People here just judge him over his flambuyont over the top personality which has nothing to do with his cricketing skills. 

[Ankit_sharma03]

5 hours ago, zen said:

^ That post makes no sense at all .... esp. when Yuvi and Jadhav don't bowl regularly in every match and Jadeja lacks hitting capabilities of Pandya 

 

If you had followed the CT properly,  you would have realized Pandya's contributions vs Pak, the run out of ABDV (iirc) vs SA and so on .... if he had got an opportunity to bat vs BD, we may have seen some bit hits from him too. Let's not forget catches dropped of his bowling 

 

Please take your agenda elsewhere as your post appears to be an unnecessary rant against a single player. Many of us have no interest in such posts

U shud read his other post, there are gems

 

He actually said jadeja is a better batsman then pandya.

When i showed him their stats in intial equal games which showed jadeja had less runs n exact half strike rate acc to him it was equal. 

 

Then there was another gem when i asked him to find better power hitter then pandya currently he named yuvi, dhoni (who are at downfall n even at their peek they didnt started hitting from.ball 1)n yusuf pathan who cud only smoke spinners .

 

And yea another one that yuvi is a decent fielder infact better then many 

 

I think  this guy stopped watching cricket post bradman era so he has no idea about the need of utility cricketers in loi cricket. 

 

His sole judgement on any cricketer is based on their expressive personalities which shows in harsh n biased judgment on pandya n kohli. 

[zen]

1 minute ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

U shud read his other post, there are gems

 

He actually said jadeja is a better batsman then pandya.

When i showed him their stats in intial equal games which showed jadeja had less runs n exact half strike rate acc to him it was equal. 

 

Then there was another gem when i asked him to find better power hitter then pandya currently he named yuvi, dhoni (who are at downfall n even at their peek they didnt started hitting from.ball 1)n yusuf pathan who cud only smoke spinners .

 

And yea another one that yuvi is a decent fielder infact better then many 

 

I think  this guy stopped watching cricket post bradman era so he has no idea about the need of utility cricketers in loi cricket. 

 

His sole judgement on any cricketer is based on their expressive personalities which shows in harsh n biased judgment on pandya n kohli. 

On Ind vs BD match thread, he told me to see SR of Rohit Sharma (he criticizes him), when I checked the score on cricinfo, Rohit was MoM with 100

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

6 hours ago, bleaf27 said:

Pandya is a jack of all trades but master of none and we need the masters not jacks.

What is the use of a player who cannot bowl ,  may not get to bat ot bat for 10-20 runs and field for like 10-20 balls in the whole game coming to him ? 

Rather get specialized players to get the job done

Pandya cannot bowl what.....

He won man of the match for his bowling on his debut

 

Pandya cud save 5-10 runs in those 10-20 balls and that wud be the diff in closely contest with top teams or creating pressure on batsman which mostly leads to false shots

 

On contary yuvraj singh has misfielded  lot in series and actually has been doing for long. Pandya saved 5-10 runs and yuvraj looses those runs. Pandya can bowl yuvi doesnt. Yuvraj batting has been shoddy. Pandya has perfomed with bat on most occasions 

 

So in comparison what is the specialist yuvraj singh bringing compare a jack like pandya. Pandya contributes every game in someway , yuvraj once or twice in 10 ganes add to that he cost u runs on field every game. Yuvraj singh did cost pandya 2 3 wkts on his debut in australia due to his slow fielding when kohli had to really ask him pull his fielding up out of sheer irritation. If those catches wud have taken those games wud have changed in those overs and the postive effect it wud have had on debutant . 

 

Specialist only work in test cricket. Utility crickters have been always a huge part of Loi

[BeautifulGame]

U shud read his other post, there are gems

 

He actually said jadeja is a better batsman then pandya.

When i showed him their stats in intial equal games which showed jadeja had less runs n exact half strike rate acc to him it was equal. 

 

Then there was another gem when i asked him to find better power hitter then pandya currently he named yuvi, dhoni (who are at downfall n even at their peek they didnt started hitting from.ball 1)n yusuf pathan who cud only smoke spinners .

 

And yea another one that yuvi is a decent fielder infact better then many 

 

I think  this guy stopped watching cricket post bradman era so he has no idea about the need of utility cricketers in loi cricket. 

 

His sole judgement on any cricketer is based on their expressive personalities which shows in harsh n biased judgment on pandya n kohli. 

 

At their hitting peak ,both Yuvi and Dhoni were capable of hitting from from ball 1.Dhoni in particular was exceptional at that during the 2006 Pakistan tour.

[bleaf27]

8 hours ago, zen said:

^ That post makes no sense at all .... esp. when Yuvi and Jadhav don't bowl regularly in every match and Jadeja lacks hitting capabilities of Pandya 

 

If you had followed the CT properly,  you would have realized Pandya's contributions vs Pak, the run out of ABDV (iirc) vs SA and so on .... if he had got an opportunity to bat vs BD, we may have seen some bit hits from him too. Let's not forget catches dropped of his bowling 

 

Please take your agenda elsewhere as your post appears to be an unnecessary rant against a single player. Many of us have no interest in such posts

If you have limited comprehension and intellecual skills , might as well I may put bullet points for you or just give you a summary because anything more complicated than that gors over your head.

Now your hard on For Pandya is quite obvious but again my posts are not meant for you and your man crush isn't my criteria to post here ,  I am sorry for offending your feelings for being a fan boy.

 

Yuvraj and Jadhav are both better batsman than Pandya and You assessed Pandya's hitting capability on the basis of 7 ODIs vs Yuvi who's played 300 games ?   You might as well print Pandya's face on a shirt and wear it all day.

ABD's run out has no implication or bearing on Pandya , the credit goes to the keeper for his glove work not to the fielder.    His bowling was horrendous against SA / BD/ SL.

My agenda or opinion isn't open to your approval before being posted ,  quite anyways if you cannot comprehend it so you might as well move along.  

[bleaf27]

2 hours ago, zen said:

On Ind vs BD match thread, he told me to see SR of Rohit Sharma (he criticizes him), when I checked the score on cricinfo, Rohit was MoM with 100

 

India vs Bangladesh your Rohit was playing with a SR of 75 in case you missed it and again after reaching a 100 started to accelerate and while chasing a 200 the guy was blind slogging ....but again the daily dose of Indian TV hype is what's expected from you......I hate to burst your bubble but your ability to not see any flaws in your superstars isn't my concern.  I do not drink the blue kool aid 

[bleaf27]

2 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

U shud read his other post, there are gems

 

He actually said jadeja is a better batsman then pandya.

When i showed him their stats in intial equal games which showed jadeja had less runs n exact half strike rate acc to him it was equal. 

 

Then there was another gem when i asked him to find better power hitter then pandya currently he named yuvi, dhoni (who are at downfall n even at their peek they didnt started hitting from.ball 1)n yusuf pathan who cud only smoke spinners .

 

And yea another one that yuvi is a decent fielder infact better then many 

 

I think  this guy stopped watching cricket post bradman era so he has no idea about the need of utility cricketers in loi cricket. 

 

His sole judgement on any cricketer is based on their expressive personalities which shows in harsh n biased judgment on pandya n kohli. 

You and the other guy definitely have a very strong penchant for certain players in the Indian Team and lose your nuts everytime you see them on the screen but other posters do have a more neutral and non-jerk view of these players and definitely can call them out for their flaws - it's called opinion and personal view -  you don't need to necesarily agree to it.  But ofcourse with your undoubtable ability in cricket and your experience in playing  International  ?  State level ?  Under 19 level ?  No  ? ...... I guess you were just gifted with this innate ability to understand the game better than anyone else ........

 

With your limited knowledge of statistics and ability to have any critcial thinking , you cannot understand why Pandya's average and SR from 7 ODI is meaningless.   Jadeja who has played close to 90 games numbers are much usable and worthy.     Pandya's SR from 7 innings is better than Sachin , So Is Pandya a better batsman than Sachin ?    I wonder how biased and illogical one can be. 

 

Utlility cricketers need to be capable enough to be utilized smart one ,   A bowler who cannot pick wickets in the middle over and goes for Economy of over 7 isn't one .    Whether Pandya performs later in his career or turns out to be who we all think he can then great but for tomorrow's match , there is no harm in sitting him out.   I'm sorry if I am speaking out against the man of your dreams but one game won't break his heart , might break yours though 

[bleaf27]

8 hours ago, velu said:

bhuvi + bumrah + jaddu + shami over ash

So if Pandya is the 5th bowler , he's expected to bowl 10 ?   His bowling has been quite bad against SA/SL/BD ,  10 overs of pressure off created by bhuvi/ Bumrah isn't ideal.  

Edited June 18, 2017 by bleaf27

[Parijat]

@bleaf27 You must see that the ability of the Pakistan batting line up is not the same as SA/SL/BD. So Pandya alongwith Jadhav would do the job quite fine. Also, Shami is a must in place of Ashwin as he would more suit the conditions than Ashwin and is the best strike bowler India has at the moment.

[bleaf27]

18 minutes ago, Parijat said:

@bleaf27 You must see that the ability of the Pakistan batting line up is not the same as SA/SL/BD. So Pandya alongwith Jadhav would do the job quite fine. Also, Shami is a must in place of Ashwin as he would more suit the conditions than Ashwin and is the best strike bowler India has at the moment.

Let's see if there is actually indeed any change in the side 

[Sean Bradley]

Had the opposition been Aus/Eng i would have had my worries, but this pakistani batting line up is not running away with it even if you bowl 3 part timers at them with their full quota of overs. Having said that Hardik is still a improving bowler and Jadhav has impressed everyone with his smart bowling and they sure must be backed. 

Edited June 18, 2017 by Sean Bradley

[MCcricket]

What kinda ridiculous, defeatist, Dhoni type pathetic thread is that, every bowler has an off day even BK was taken for 109 runs in his spell, so is he has?.

Hardik is the best thing to happen to Indian cricket, even Virat n people in the know reiterate that, he will have some ok some good days, he has all the ingredients to be a very good cricketer, n in his short career more then proved that, he has pace, skills, mentally tough n lucky to be under Virat n not a defensive captain like Dhoni, Jadhav is a extra bonus n he can chip 5 to 10 overs any day so a luxury for captain.

I hope Dhoni plays his last game today , so does Rahane in ODI n Yuvi we will see.Time to bring in Pant ,Samson, K Yadav, Hooda, Sangwan, Sarfaraz.

[Ankit_sharma03]

3 hours ago, BeautifulGame said:

 

At their hitting peak ,both Yuvi and Dhoni were capable of hitting from from ball 1.Dhoni in particular was exceptional at that during the 2006 Pakistan tour.

even on that he use to take around 15 balls before get going, it was even pointed out in commentry

Yes if situation needed they cud from ball 1, but they were more of proper batsman then pandya. Pandya is specialized hitter whose job is to hit from ball 1 

[Pollack]

Don't understand the expectations from Pandya. He is a fifth bowling option. Even being expensive he has created chances. Some catches have been dropped. Now if he was a frontline bowler being wicketless like Amir, would have liked to replace him. But he is a batting all rounder and he is doing very good in limited opportunities he is getting. 

[Pollack]

BTW Shami(preferably)/Umesh should come in place of Ashwin.

[express bowling]

5 hours ago, bleaf27 said:

So if Pandya is the 5th bowler , he's expected to bowl 10 ?   His bowling has been quite bad against SA/SL/BD ,  10 overs of pressure off created by bhuvi/ Bumrah isn't ideal.  

No, Pandya has bowled well against SA....and also against Pakistan.

 

He batted well against Pakistan and did not get to bat for 2 games.

 

Anyway, Kohli has confirmed that Pandya will play today and will be preferred in the future too for LOIs.

 

So, all these discussions about his inclusion in the team does not really matter.