Mariyam Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 51 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: Extreme solidarity for the Jihadis expressed by libtards in this forum and in the country with their loud silence! You mean libtards like Assadudin Owaisi who "wants the criminals who wrote that letter arrested" ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mariyam Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Vilander said: as in you dont liken a state to your mom or you dont bow down to anyone other than Allah including your mom. what is it can you give a bit more information. Its an interesting angle. I think its not the equating the country to a mother that is the issue. Some perceive that Bharat Mata is a Godess and bowing/praying to any God other than Allah is blasphemous. Personally, I bow down to my mom. She ensures that I do. Even when she is wrong. Edited July 24, 2017 by Mariyam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 2 minutes ago, Mariyam said: You mean libtards like Assadudin Owaisi who "wants the criminals who wrote that letter arrested" ? I think you know the difference if the same letter was written by BDal and the lynchistan shouting brigands who tweet endlessly on how minorities are living in fear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 4 minutes ago, zen said: In Ind, Chai rules with per capita consumption of approx 10x more than coffee OT: See new Poll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 6 minutes ago, Mariyam said: I think its not the equating the country to a mother that is the issue. Some perceive that Bharat Mata is a Godess and bowing/praying to any God other than Allah is blasphemous. Personally, I bow down to my mom. She ensures that I do. Even when she is wrong. I don't think that perception is correct. There is no religious undertone to patriotism. Motherland is the equivalent of proclaiming "Bharat Mata"! If it was a saying like 'Maa Bhavani', the creator - Adishakti - then I would say their perception is correct, it is about hinduism. We call Mother Earth - Bhudevi as the wife of Vishnu , But, I don't think there is any god/goddess equivalent to 'Bharat Mata'. This is coming straight from our freedom struggle - Muslims/seculars shouted 'Inquillab Zindabad' , Hindus did 'Bharat Mata Ki Jai!" The point being , is it a case of muslims not accepting to equate your country to 'Motherland' .period.? They can proclaim 'dil qurbaan' for their 'pyare watan', but not 'Bharat Mata Ki Jai!" ..Strange, I wonder why, Is ' 'Maa Tujhe Salaam' accepted by muslims in general as saluting your country? Or is just a Bollywood sentiment? I think we need to interview you (open a separate thread?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 http://www.deccanherald.com/content/624451/suchitra-krishnamoorthy-faces-flak-sp.html Quote On Sunday morning, Suchitra, the former wife of filmmaker Shekhar Kapur, tweeted: “came home at 4.45 am 2 most aggressive/ ear shattering call of azaan. Nothing more lowlife & dumb than such extreme imposed religiousity”.Even as she came under fire from Twitterati, she sent out another tweet: “I wake up at Brahmamuhurt of my own accord & do my prayers & riyaz & yoga. I dont need public loudspeakers to remind me of my God or my duty.” She then added: “nobody objects to azaan or prayers during decent hours. But to be waking up entire neighbourhood at 5 am is not civilized”.The Samajwadi Party, however, has come down heavily on her. “Those who sing and dance till early hours, drink at 2 am in parties in hotels, and sit with their arms on shoulders of strange men and talk, who have spoilt Indian culture have suddenly started criticizing,” he said.A singer, actress, painter and philanthropist, Krishnamoorthi is remembered for her role opposite Shah Rukh Khan in the 1994 release, "Kabhi Haan, Kabhi Naa." Fitting reply to the queen bee of libtards.. Oh My! ....SHe will be banned from Bollywood by secular coterie for this... Tibarn and diga 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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veer Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 Isn't the Hindu festival of Navratri, garba/dandya festival, has been restricted to upto 11 pm celebration in Mumbai to accommodate other communities, including old/sick, Hindus, Christians, Muslims and Jains? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diga Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 Expect the issue to quietly die Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randomGuy Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 (edited) Good that some people are coming out. Pathetic people are always there to criticize or to try to threaten them. Edited July 24, 2017 by randomGuy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dial_100 Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 Instead of making it an issue against religion, please approach as a social issue. Apply same rule to freaking everything irrespective of whatever. DDfan2017 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mariyam Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 3 hours ago, coffee_rules said: I don't think that perception is correct. There is no religious undertone to patriotism. Motherland is the equivalent of proclaiming "Bharat Mata"! If it was a saying like 'Maa Bhavani', the creator - Adishakti - then I would say their perception is correct, it is about hinduism. We call Mother Earth - Bhudevi as the wife of Vishnu , But, I don't think there is any god/goddess equivalent to 'Bharat Mata'. This is coming straight from our freedom struggle - Muslims/seculars shouted 'Inquillab Zindabad' , Hindus did 'Bharat Mata Ki Jai!" The point being , is it a case of muslims not accepting to equate your country to 'Motherland' .period.? They can proclaim 'dil qurbaan' for their 'pyare watan', but not 'Bharat Mata Ki Jai!" ..Strange, I wonder why, Is ' 'Maa Tujhe Salaam' accepted by muslims in general as saluting your country? Or is just a Bollywood sentiment? I think we need to interview you (open a separate thread?) coffee sahab, you are mixing things here. "Inquillaab Zindabaad" has nothing to do with Muslims/seculars etc. The latter is a label many on ICF use these days, in a denigrating fashion. "Inquillaab Zindabad" simply means long live the revolution. It is a Communist inspired, the dominant progressive ideology of the day. Bhagat Singh, for example utter "Inquillaab Zindabaad" in the court when being tried by the British. As far as the Bharat Mata being considered a deity or not, there is no monolithic view. In fact many Muslims have no issue with Bharat Mata ki Jai. It was AR Rahman who remade "Vande Matram" with the refrain "Ma Tujhe Salam". However, there are those who view the Bharat Mata in the slogan as a Goddess, and the bowing is seen as an equivalent to the sajda. While they may love Bharat, the sajda according to them can be only to Allah. That is their interpretation. While I may not agree with it, I see no reason why they should say Bharat Mata ki jai, to just prove a point. The bone of contention is not equating India to a mother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mariyam Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 (edited) She should have replied to Abu Azmi in lyrics of a song from her solo hit movie Chalo bhi jo hua jaane do Bahot ho chuka jaane do Tumne phenka jaal Ulti pad gayi chaal Ab mister janjaal Rasta Napiye Mosques shouldn't use loudspeakers, especially in densely populated and mixed areas. Almost every one who wants to, can use apps which tell them exact Azaan times. Suchitra is perfectly within her rights to complain. But makes one wonder for all these years, why she didn't choose to address the issue on social media or was she oblivious to it? Edited July 24, 2017 by Mariyam sarcastic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mariyam Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 (edited) Personally speaking, I don't find the call to Azaan 'aggressive' in its tone at all. If anything, its quite mellifluous. Doesn't take away the fact that it shouldn't be blared from loudspeakers. Edited July 24, 2017 by Mariyam sarcastic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texy Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 You CANNOT blame Muslims for this...blame the administration and local politics for this....Muslims don't use loudspeakers in other countries...It's our goddamn politician assholes like Abu Azmi and others who make this a religious issue rather than social issue to divide 2 side based on religion... Mariyam, beetle and Vilander 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, Mariyam said: However, there are those who view the Bharat Mata in the slogan as a Goddess, and the bowing is seen as an equivalent to the sajda. While they may love Bharat, the sajda according to them can be only to Allah. That is their interpretation. While I may not agree with it, I see no reason why they should say Bharat Mata ki jai, to just prove a point. The bone of contention is not equating India to a mother. Below is Germany's national anthem translated in English: "Unity and rights and freedom for the German fatherland. Let us strive for it together, brotherly with heart and hand. Unity and rights and freedom are the basis of good fortune. Flower in the light of this good fortune, flower German fatherland" Would Muslims in Germany sing above national anthem despite Germany's reference as the fatherland? Edited July 24, 2017 by zen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asterix Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 Loudspeaker is the issue and should be banned for every religion or organisation during unsocial hours... I gather loudspeaker for call of prayer a not allowed in many Islamic countries... There's a ban on Dandiya Raas after midnight (is it true or not). But India is different... it's more Islamic in many ways than actual Islamic countries... take Triple Talaq issue... not even Pakistan has instant Triple Talaq... zen and Texan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 To be fair, she should have conveyed her message in a more nuanced manner. By the way, the Sagarika tweet is from a parody account. Not saying that the real Sagarika is not capable of such tweets. sarcastic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nikred Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 Not the one near my home. I have heard at other places and I find it soothing too but the one near my home is cacaphonic. Sometimes my daughter ends up waking up in the morning confused and scared and it affects her sleep pattern for the entire day. Sent from my Redmi Note 4 using Tapatalk sourab10forever 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bleaf27 Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 There should be regulations regarding what time loudspeakers can be used for religious purposes and also whether they should be allowed at all in a family neighbourhood ! I would be fkin pissed myself If I had to wake up at 5 myself due to some religious nutjob yelling on the microphone . That's noise pollution and secondly it disturbs the peace for the community as a whole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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