Whether Virat Kohli overtook Sachin as the test batsmen ??

[putrevus]

Don’t think final figures of Sachin have to do with him being best. He played 200 tests and 460 plus Odis.

 

This myth that Sachin somehow faced great bowling attacks is just a myth not reality.

 

Kohli does not have to reach those figures to be considered better.

 

 

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[raki05]

12 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Don’t think final figures of Sachin have to do with him being best. He played 200 tests and 460 plus Odis.

 

This myth that Sachin somehow faced great bowling attacks is just a myth not reality.

 

Kohli does not have to reach those figures to be considered better.

 

 

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So you mean bowler named Donald, Pollack, Wasim, waqar, Shoaib, Lee,Bond, Ambrose, walls, warne, Murali,imran, McGrath are mythical creation and no such bowler exists in reality.

[Stan AF]

Here we go AGAIN

[raki05]

22 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Don’t think final figures of Sachin have to do with him being best. He played 200 tests and 460 plus Odis.

 

This myth that Sachin somehow faced great bowling attacks is just a myth not reality.

 

Kohli does not have to reach those figures to be considered better.

 

 

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Never wanted to be in this discussion but just to bust the bubbles and confusion.

Tendulkar batted 39 times in ODI tournament finals. He scored 1853 runs at an average of 55 with 6centuries and 10 half centuries. His career average is around 45 in Odis. So, we can see that he averages almost 10 runs more than his usual average in tournament finals. And we all know that tournament final,big match and pressure r almost synonymous. 


Now, let's compare this record to his contemporaries who r generally known as better pressure players. 

1. Ponting averages 39 in tournament finals which is 3 runs lower than his usual average 42.

2. Well known crisis player Steve wagh averages 27in tournament finals when his usual average is almost 33.

3. Lara also has a terrible record in tournament finals. He averages only 24 in tournament finals compared to his usual odi batting average of 40.

4. Kallis and Inzamum averages only 19 and 30 respectively in tournament finals with their bats. 

Besides this, Tendulkar is often criticized for his failures in two world cup finals. But many ppl conveniently forgets that this same tendulkar averages 77 with the bat in world cup semifinals which is an astonishing 37 runs more than his usual average. Along with this one can add his mind boggling avg of 76 with the bat in ICC champions trophy finals.

Finally, what could be a bigger pressure match than a match against the arch rival in a world cup tournament? He averages 78 with the bat against Pakistan in world cup and has won man of the match award on 3 occasions.Having said this he might have a chink that he dint perform in wc final, but who doesn't have flaws.We can find flaws in Bradman stats as well, but that's not what we are doing. However the way you criticized him in one after another response is just getting ridiculous .

Edited August 29, 2018 by raki05

[raki05]

3 minutes ago, raki05 said:

Never wanted to be in this discussion but just to bust the bubbles and confusion.

Tendulkar batted 39 times in ODI tournament finals. He scored 1853 runs at an average of 55 with 6centuries and 10 half centuries. His career average is around 45 in Odis. So, we can see that he averages almost 10 runs more than his usual average in tournament finals. And we all know that tournament final,big match and pressure r almost synonymous. 


Now, let's compare this record to his contemporaries who r generally known as better pressure players. 

1. Ponting averages 39 in tournament finals which is 3 runs lower than his usual average 42.

2. Well known crisis player Steve wagh averages 27in tournament finals when his usual average is almost 33.

3. Lara also has a terrible record in tournament finals. He averages only 24 in tournament finals compared to his usual odi batting average of 40.

4. Kallis and Inzamum averages only 19 and 30 respectively in tournament finals with their bats. 

Besides this, Tendulkar is often criticized for his failures in two world cup finals. But many ppl conveniently forgets that this same tendulkar averages 77 with the bat in world cup semifinals which is an astonishing 37 runs more than his usual average. Along with this one can add his mind boggling avg of 76 with the bat in ICC champions trophy finals.

Finally, what could be a bigger pressure match than a match against the arch rival in a world cup tournament? He averages 78 with the bat against Pakistan in world cup and has won man of the match award on 3 occasions.Having said this he might have a chink that he dint perform in wc final, but who doesn't have flaws.We can find flaws in Bradman stats as well, but that's not what we are doing. However the way you criticized him in one after another response is just getting ridiculous .

If you do same anlysis for kohli in Odis final/SF you ll be embarrassed. Doesn't mean kohli is any lesser. In Odis he is definitely in the leagues of srt/Viv and abd.

[goose]

47 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Don’t think final figures of Sachin have to do with him being best. He played 200 tests and 460 plus Odis.

 

This myth that Sachin somehow faced great bowling attacks is just a myth not reality.

 

Kohli does not have to reach those figures to be considered better.

 

 

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if a myth is a myth then it's true.

[Laaloo]

28 minutes ago, raki05 said:

Never wanted to be in this discussion but just to bust the bubbles and confusion.

Tendulkar batted 39 times in ODI tournament finals. He scored 1853 runs at an average of 55 with 6centuries and 10 half centuries. His career average is around 45 in Odis. So, we can see that he averages almost 10 runs more than his usual average in tournament finals. And we all know that tournament final,big match and pressure r almost synonymous. 


Now, let's compare this record to his contemporaries who r generally known as better pressure players. 

1. Ponting averages 39 in tournament finals which is 3 runs lower than his usual average 42.

2. Well known crisis player Steve wagh averages 27in tournament finals when his usual average is almost 33.

3. Lara also has a terrible record in tournament finals. He averages only 24 in tournament finals compared to his usual odi batting average of 40.

4. Kallis and Inzamum averages only 19 and 30 respectively in tournament finals with their bats. 

Besides this, Tendulkar is often criticized for his failures in two world cup finals. But many ppl conveniently forgets that this same tendulkar averages 77 with the bat in world cup semifinals which is an astonishing 37 runs more than his usual average. Along with this one can add his mind boggling avg of 76 with the bat in ICC champions trophy finals.

Finally, what could be a bigger pressure match than a match against the arch rival in a world cup tournament? He averages 78 with the bat against Pakistan in world cup and has won man of the match award on 3 occasions.Having said this he might have a chink that he dint perform in wc final, but who doesn't have flaws.We can find flaws in Bradman stats as well, but that's not what we are doing. However the way you criticized him in one after another response is just getting ridiculous .

Can you do the same for selfless big game match winner like thalaiva?

[velu]

5 minutes ago, Laaloo said:

Can you do the same for selfless big game match winner like thalaiva?

 

won the most important final  ( with a six ) 

[Laaloo]

2 minutes ago, velu said:

 

won the most important final  ( with a six ) 

The game was won before he stepped on the field. He just added the finishing touch. Really no reason to promote himself over yuvi or Raina who both had made runs on tougher pitches in QF and SF while thalaiva was nowhere to be found. ;)

[rkt.india]

2 hours ago, goose said:

Tendulkar is the Amitabh Bachchan of cricket, a hero, messianic, vulnerable even, often died at the end.

 

Virat Kolli is Ranveer Singh on his way to becoming Shak Rukh Khan. 

Then Sunil Gavaskar must be Rajesh Khanna, first superstar of the Bollywood.

[velu]

9 minutes ago, Laaloo said:

The game was won before he stepped on the field. He just added the finishing touch. Really no reason to promote himself over yuvi or Raina who both had made runs on tougher pitches in QF and SF while thalaiva was nowhere to be found. ;)

yuvi vs murli  

anyway if the match was already won , they might have given MoM to gambhir (  or sachin )  

[velu]

4 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Then Sunil Gavaskar must be Rajesh Khanna, first superstar of the Bollywood.

 

then dhoni is the rajnikanth of indian cinema  

[raki05]

29 minutes ago, velu said:

 

then dhoni is the rajnikanth of indian cinema  

Dhoni is AK hangal of Indian cinema who looks old since his debut film.

[raki05]

1 hour ago, Laaloo said:

Can you do the same for selfless big game match winner like thalaiva?

All I can say is no one has bullied fearsome attack of Matthew/ Parera/Chamara/Bishoo/Al Amin Hashan like the legend did.... They still shits in their pants with the mere presence of the legend in Indian lineup.

Edited August 29, 2018 by raki05

[velu]

28 minutes ago, raki05 said:

Dhoni is AK hangal of Indian cinema who looks old since his debut film.

 

your eyes are older than thalaiva then

[velu]

 

Crazy trolls bringing  dhoni here  unnecessarily

[raki05]

4 minutes ago, velu said:

 

your eyes are older than thalaiva then

 

[speedheat]

Sachin or kohli both are our legends 

different era same aura.

[Laaloo]

1 hour ago, velu said:

 

Crazy trolls bringing  dhoni here  unnecessarily

[rtmohanlal]

3 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

I am not going into any comparison between Tendulkar and Kohli as batsmen

 

BUT

 

1)   Total runs or longevity are not the only parameters for assessing the superiority as batsmen.  Bradman did not score 7000 runs but so many rate him as the best ever.  Sobers and Richards both scored  < 8600 runs in test ... but many knowledgeable people rate them as two of the best batsmen ever after Bradman.

 

2) The biggest factor that decides the superiority as a cricketer is ...  the impact that his performances have had on the opposition, the matches and series he has played and on the performances of his own team.

 

3)  I think different batsmen will come out as the best ever in different areas.  There hasn't been any single batsman in history who has been perfect.

If I am looking for supreme batsmanship or artistry or longevity or quality ... I will choose Tendulkar

If I am looking for a batsman who will finish the opposition on his day with really big knocks ... I will choose Lara

If I am looking for sheer destructiveness ... I will choose Richards

And so on and so forth ...

who claims longevity is the only paramater???? But it certainly is a major parameter . Bradman,  Richards & Lara .... when each of them are compared with Sachin, there are certain prominent factors that make them comparable with Sachin. For eg: take Bradman... his avg: is almost twice and he was so far ahead of his contemporaries. Similarly Viv .... He was striking at 70+ in tests  when every body was doing it in 'lower to upper 40s' ,And in one dayers VIv was so faaar ahead  of his contemporaries.So both combined, Viv was faaaar ahead of any of his contemporaries.And take note,  these players  played in far lesser protective gear era when compared to Sachin.Means Viv & Bradman had other factors working for them to counter Sachin's longevity.I rate both Bradman & Viv greater batsmen than Sachin. Now to Lara... .Him being from same era as that of Sachin, longevity counts because they were from the same playing circumstances.His ability to construct mammoth inns was unparalled. But he was not that good in all countries and against all bowlers like Sachin.And in onedayers he was not that good as Sachin. So all in all he was in the same league as Sachin but slightly inferior.Again keep in mind Lara has  adequate longevity  in both formats  to even start a comparison with Sachin.

 

But with Kohli that is not the case.  Kohli as of now has not even scored 38% of test runs that Sachin could score.First let him score at least some  10000 runs in these much batting friendly era. Then only it is sensible to even start a comparison, i feel. Again Kohli definitely is moving in that direction . He has  got such high potential to reach those heights