Shastri/Kohli's stubbornness in team selections led to India wasting a golden chance to win Test series in SA

[gattaca]

This is all past can’t do much about that. Hopefully we learnt lessons and we move on. Need to include newer bowlers though. Can’t take Ishant he is waste of space.

[Trichromatic]

1 hour ago, nevada said:

Despite all the blunders, if the batters had somehow managed to not crap their pants in the 4th innings of the first test and chased down the 200 odd runs, the series could have been won. Still hurts that none of the batsmen could come up with an epic innings to drag the team over the finish line.

Just because it was 200, doesn't mean it was chasable target. 150-160 was max most teams would do on that pitch most of the time. 

 

We lost match in first inning when SA managed to score 70-80 runs extra and that proved to be the difference between 2 sides.

 

[Trichromatic]

1 minute ago, gattaca said:

This is all past can’t do much about that. Hopefully we learnt lessons and we move on. Need to include newer bowlers though. Can’t take Ishant he is waste of space.

Won't be surprised if Bhuvi is still dropped, Rahul and Rahane are ignored because we won ODIs and T20Is.

[gattaca]

3 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

Won't be surprised if Bhuvi is still dropped, Rahul and Rahane are ignored because we won ODIs and T20Is.

Dropping bhuvi in England that’s really stupid. To be honest Rahul hasn’t done much in South Africa. Rahane is a must.

[Rightarmfast]

India losing CT17 finals and losing Tests in SA is because of the same reason. Wrong selection. Kohli has done this twice now. Its enough for anyone to learn their lessons. 

[anish2tweet]

13 hours ago, lamellavig said:

More like a lack of player quality. Good tactics are good tactics, but a difference in player quality will make significant difference. If India are to be proud of their cricket team, they cannot rely on good tactics to make up a lack of talent.

 

Ensure that the players are good enough, such that there is a significant gap in talent. Then you can use the bulldozing tactics which Australia so admirably use, and with such great efficient. Look at Cummins, Hazlewood, Starc. They are gorging on stupendous bowling talent. These are 3 intellectuals at the very core of Australia's sporting philosophy. They create a gap in talent. They can hence bulldoze the South African lineup, on a pitch where they themselves score 350. 

 

When you look at the likes of Rohit, Vijay, Pujara etc. you can deduce that Indian cricket likes attractive, but not efficient batsmen. For instance look at David Warner, an opener. Very first test, and he notches a useful fifty. Indian batsmen need to be efficient, and the bowling, though it is on an upward incline, needs to be of higher class.

 

Sport is, first and foremost, about talent. 

You are talking about talent and effiency in the same breath. Rarely they are together like lara,sachin etc. When you said attractive batting while referring to Vijay etc, it is talent only no? Then in the last line you say sports is all about talent. That we have no. It is the efficiency and effectiveness which is lacking.

[Vilander]

1 hour ago, anish2tweet said:

Leggies did good in ODIs and T20s. How will they know if they will do well in the tests beforehand. Jadeja had got 6 wickets in an innings in SA and he did well in the tests back home too. So they took him there.

its still unclear if they would do well in tests in general,leggies will bowl a half volley one in a while a wide one here or there release pressure, they might not take any wickets of set batsmen but then SA were so bad against them it might have been different SA bats could not read them at all.

[chewy]

India had opportunties, team selection is an excuse but the team failed in cricket fundamentals like dropping easy catches and brain fart runouts.

the current SA v Aushas only been 2 days, but Aus fielding has been top notch, no dropped catches whilst SA dropped at least two in their fielding innings. 

 

anyways I always go by the rankings, and for now India is the best team in Tests and ODIs, numero uno in both formats.

 

what ever happens in SA v Aus, it won’t be a decider of best Test team...remember both teams were hammered in India and England, and Aus being beaten black and blue by India, Pak, SL AND effing Bangla  

[vvvslaxman]

Although Australians feel more at home in SA compared to India in SA. SA was afraid of rolling out a helpful surface. But that is their only chance of competing with them. 

[adi B]

Australian batsmen have already bettered India's batting(all 3 tests) in this solo match ,that's what the difference is.of course India got far more tough pitches but indian batsmen were mentally shot ,even on this pitch I am sure saf would have got us bundled insid 250 twice 

[adi B]

50 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Although Australians feel more at home in SA compared to India in SA. SA was afraid of rolling out a helpful surface. But that is their only chance of competing with them. 

Yup ,I don't understand why saf have prepared Flattish,slowish track against Australia,it completely neutralise  their bowling .they should take a note out England who prepared Flattish wkts in the first 2 tests in 2015 ashes and it was 1-1 ,then they realised (advocated by cook) that their best chance was to prepare seaming decks where Anderson,Barbie and co made a joke of the aussie batsmen who got found out 

[Gollum]

Selection woes continue.

 

Day 2 start, whole of day 1 washed out, overcast conditions forecast for all 5 days and BOOM we play 2 spinners !!!!

[gattaca]

8 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Selection woes continue.

 

Day 2 start, whole of day 1 washed out, overcast conditions forecast for all 5 days and BOOM we play 2 spinners !!!!

The problem is they don’t admit they did wrong. Egos doesn’t allow them to introspect. This will only hide real problems and cause ultimate downfall.

Edited August 11, 2018 by gattaca

[chewy]

25 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Selection woes continue.

 

Day 2 start, whole of day 1 washed out, overcast conditions forecast for all 5 days and BOOM we play 2 spinners !!!!

Exactly, is just basic moronery

 

What’s even worse Kuldeep was progressively played easily by England in ODIs as the series progressed, and they throw the poor guy on Lords pitch which historically hardly turns and in overcast conditions,

Yadav, Bumrah (who was declared fit) and Thakur must be thinking what the f e ck! What’s the point

 

No-one plays two frontline spinners at Lords , what’s Shastri and his bunchems smoking, it’s like they make these plans up at breakfast over rounds of White Russian and mutton samosas 

 

These are such basic (school boy) errors