Is Hardik Pandya the biggest fraud to ever play for us ?

[Lannister]

I am confused with the inconsistent pattern of his performances. Is he more suited for longer format or just the limited overs? His bowling is absolute sh!t but if he's known for his batting, why are there so many low scores by him. 

Edited April 28, 2018 by Lannister

[AK007]

The word 'Fraud' has criminal connotation to it and should not have been used this lightly to describe a person whose only 'fault' was 'making himself available for selection'. Leaving that aside, there is nothing right or wrong about the selection of ANY player unless the selection process was corrupt.

[Clarke]

 

OK! So how many allrounders has India produced so far?

Ur still making tangential arguments, one has nothing to do with the other. I never said all rounders aren't rare but it has nothing to do with cricket being amateur in late last century vs now.

[Khota]

 

Ur still making tangential arguments, one has nothing to do with the other. I never said all rounders aren't rare but it has nothing to do with cricket being amateur in late last century vs now.

Classic deflection. Let us stick to all rounders. Almost 100 years of playing history and India had just one allrounder. Sorry they do not exist.

 

We can discuss the amature part too if you choose too.

[express bowling]

In the innings of 3 ( 19 )  , Hardik was caught between the devil and the deep sea.  Wickets were falling from the other end,  the batters left were rather poor with the bat and  the opposition bowlers had their tails up.

 

- Trying to slog against really good bowling and losing another wicket would not make sense.  

- Taking a single would mean exposing a poor batsman to really good bowling and risk losing the 9th wicket.

-  He blocked a few good balls in the hope that he would have some hittable balls later.

 

Just looking at scores and forming an opinion often leads to a wrong opinion.

 

[Clarke]

 

Classic deflection. Let us stick to all rounders. Almost 100 years of playing history and India had just one allrounder. Sorry they do not exist.

 

We can discuss the amature part too if you choose too.

Deflection was completely urs on cricket being an amateur sport until very recently. If u feel so strongly about it u should create another thread on it.

 

Simply said, rare != non existent, that too you're simply filtering the category of out & out atg all rounder. Heck, as I mentioned earlier in this thread, Jadeja has been a matchwinner & a good all rounder in tests in the last couple of years. Yes they exist, but ur complaining that there's not as many atg ones, and my whole point is so what? That said, ur pov is so limited since ur including Kapil Dev and ignoring the likes of Vinoo Mankad. 

 

BTW, the unicorn for Indian cricket has been an atg fast (properly fast) bowler or even a consistently express pace bowler. I would rather hope we find a few rather than suggest they don't exist and bad mouth the previous generation of cricketers about their amateur era.

 

[Khota]

 

Deflection was completely urs on cricket being an amateur sport until very recently. If u feel so strongly about it u should create another thread on it.

 

Simply said, rare != non existent, that too you're simply filtering the category of out & out atg all rounder. Heck, as I mentioned earlier in this thread, Jadeja has been a matchwinner & a good all rounder in tests in the last couple of years. Yes they exist, but ur complaining that there's not as many atg ones, and my whole point is so what? That said, ur pov is so limited since ur including Kapil Dev and ignoring the likes of Vinoo Mankad. 

 

BTW, the unicorn for Indian cricket has been an atg fast (properly fast) bowler or even a consistently express pace bowler. I would rather hope we find a few rather than suggest they don't exist and bad mouth the previous generation of cricketers about their amateur era.

 

Players playing before had cricket as their second job. There was no money. Get a job in IA or AI and maybe play cricket. Physically unfil players like Bedi, Chandrashekar and Parsanna used to come to the field. 

 

getting back to allrounders like I said if in 100 yeras there is one to show for why waste time on a elusive concept. Cricket now is a higly specialised sport and the ideal combination is 6 + 5 real bowlers. Ofcourse you want few runs from these bowlers but to expect them to excel in both is living in denial.

Edited April 28, 2018 by Khota

[sandeep]

 

not really but he is a superstar in making , will be one the biggest contributors

didnt happen all of sudden, i remember him getting out on 0 0 0 against india 

Which is gr8 for a guy who was raw n fast tracked 

Thats why he needs backing not constant scrutiny, specially the stupid ones that he has lost his mind coz of money  

history is made to be changed 

who wud have a thought a keeper will be a successful captain , everyone was agianst this thought

who thought tendulkar record wud be under a threat

 

Dnt think he is a superstar currently , gets a lot of bashing . N cricketer like him who are expressive will always be bashed unless they become virat 

 

i dnt trust him but he is doing it more often then i expected

I dnt even expect that from stokes 

for that he needs to play a lot of games

When dhoni i came i thought same n he saved lords test 

 

Didnt he do that against SA

Bhuvi isnt a all rounder in LOI, inLOI he can bat a bit

In test , i consider Pandya bits n pieces currently who is just needed to give balance n mostly rest to that pace attack we have and some cushion to batting side 

why are you wasting time with genius talent evaluators who hate Hardik Pandya, but think that Vijay Shankar is good enough to be allrounder for Indian team?  You know why right? And its got nothing to do with bread pudding.

[Clarke]

What a disgusting performance! Scored the most runs in the game from both sides means he can't bat. Took most wickets in the game means he can't bowl. What's the use of playing him when he can't manage 4-2-3-5 as well as score 100(35). A fraud of the highest order. Someone file an FIR with section 420 against him.

[chewy]

I wasnt  aware of this year’s IPL leading wkt taker, last I knew i thought it was Markande

 

the chart flashed up in today’s SRH v RCB game and it’s Hardik Pandya and remembered this thread ! 

[Clarke]

[rkt.india]

11 hours ago, Clarke said:

OP is a known Pandya hater.

[Ankit_sharma03]

From being termed as canon fodder to highest wkt taker in IPL, a format which is harsh on bowler 

Everytime a question is raised on pandya , he gets up n performs better then many.

 

yet after few games some idiots will standup n target him......