corruption in politics

[dial_100]

If proved a corruption against a political member,

1. no immediate family member from the same party in 2 generations
2. vertical - Father, grandfather, child and grand child
3. lateral relation - sibling, sibling's child, Uncles, Uncle's child 

can contest elections for 10 years from the same party ticket or hold a party positions (including that of city, counsel level).

 

It is ridiculous that Lalu's pillu is holding party positions just the way his father was. Isnt it the status quo?

 

Kill dynasty politics by systematic reforms. discuss

 

[punjabi_khota]

Goes against fundamental law of liberty.

Also implies corruption is worst than murder.

Here's a thought experiment:

Let's say a recently retired politician (80 yrs old) is on trial for corruption. Since if corruption is proved, his son/daughter will be debarred from politics. So the politician decides to get judges murdered.

 

 

Edited June 26, 2018 by punjabi_khota

[zen]

India is probably so corrupt that a non-corrupt person could be charged for corruption so the corrupt ones continue the corruption

[dial_100]

2 hours ago, punjabi_khota said:

Goes against fundamental law of liberty.

Also implies corruption is worst than murder.

Here's a thought experiment:

Let's say a recently retired politician (80 yrs old) is on trial for corruption. Since if corruption is proved, his son/daughter will be debarred from politics. So the politician decides to get judges murdered.

 

Wait what? Seriously? How is it worst that a murder sir?

 

They can continue the politics under different political party. Only asking to ban their activity under the same party. 

[dial_100]

35 minutes ago, zen said:

India is probably so corrupt that a non-corrupt person could be charged for corruption so the corrupt ones continue the corruption

Any example of such thing ever happenimg?

[zen]

37 minutes ago, dial_100 said:

Any example of such thing ever happenimg?

Just a thought .... as corrupt ppl continue to stay. I guess there would be folks who would hv stood against them 

[Charlie_]

9 hours ago, dial_100 said:

If proved a corruption against a political member,

1. no immediate family member from the same party in 2 generations
2. vertical - Father, grandfather, child and grand child
3. lateral relation - sibling, sibling's child, Uncles, Uncle's child 

can contest elections for 10 years from the same party ticket or hold a party positions (including that of city, counsel level).

 

It is ridiculous that Lalu's pillu is holding party positions just the way his father was. Isnt it the status quo?

 

Kill dynasty politics by systematic reforms. discuss

 

Modi was given a thumping majority hoping he would bring in laws like the above with a firm hand. But Modiji ne dhoka de diya. 

[rkt.india]

1 hour ago, Charlie_ said:

Modi was given a thumping majority hoping he would bring in laws like the above with a firm hand. But Modiji ne dhoka de diya. 

that law is ridiculous. it is against liberal principles are freedom.

[Clarke]

The suggested idea is BS

 

What's OP's view on Jayant Sinha ?

[dial_100]

1 hour ago, Clarke said:

The suggested idea is BS

 

What's OP's view on Jayant Sinha ?

 

8 hours ago, rkt.india said:

that law is ridiculous. it is against liberal principles are freedom.

Yea everything is BS. Any suggestions?

 

All I am saying is if dynastic politics is leading to corruption then this will be one check in it, someway. Nobody is taking away your rights for being in politics. But now when corruption is caught, the person pays price and political party is untouched. Now it is only proposing that person belonging to the family has to leave that party and can do whatever he wants from other political party. They cannot use the same party symbol for next 10 years. If not then they can stay in the same party without any post or context election.

 

Are the corruption charges proved against Jayant sinha or Yashwant? Whats your point of bringing him in the discussion. 

[asterix]

Can anybody tel me why Modi Govt s allowing this? Is that MoFo Jaitley who is trying to protect Congress?

[coffee_rules]

The law will give cause socialism in corruption, spread of wealth when the competition is spread among non-dynastic people. At least now a few dogs will be wealthy, aam junta will end up feeding more dogs. 

[velu]

corruption is deeply embedded in our society ..

even ward counselors make money  

[someone]

20 hours ago, dial_100 said:

It is ridiculous that Lalu's pillu is holding party positions just the way his father was. Isnt it the status quo?

Actually its more ridiculous that people still support that party. They are better position today than 2014 despite his  conviction. So what makes people still support that criminal party? Till, we fully understand that question, our politics will never be clean.

 

 

[dial_100]

1 hour ago, someone said:

Actually its more ridiculous that people still support that party. They are better position today than 2014 despite his  conviction. So what makes people still support that criminal party? Till, we fully understand that question, our politics will never be clean.

 

I know thousands of young voters who have voted for BJP because of NaMo. Why do we think it was possible? Because of better education, better developed thinking in that lot. Educated and liberated people are looking beyond caste politics and thats why they have rejected even corrupt BJP candidates at times. AK was elected because he promised to eradicate corruption. Many from Delhi are fed up of that guy now. People voted for BJP and there is quite a good number of those who are questioning on how NaMo delivered on his promises.

 

In Bihar/WB, voters are so poor, illiterate that such high level rational thinking cannot be expected out of them. If dynastic politics is checked then the new leaders will at least do some better work than this lot. 

[coffee_rules]

There is so much of money invested in government clerk jobs, people pay lakhs to get a job, you can imagine what politicians do.

[dial_100]

Remember, slowly but certainly this is going to change. Media is desperate to make money out of these corruption stories but it also making people aware of people's actions.

[Mariyam]

Corruption cannot be dissected as corruption in Politics, corruption in banks, corruption in administration  etc.

 

A compliant ( to corruption) bureaucracy plays a huge role in the spread and extent of corruption. All arms of the executive are corrupt, and take undue advantage of their position. And this has nothing to do with who is ruling. Corruption any scale is essentially facilitated by the many bureaucrats in between.

 

The way to tackle this problem is down-up. Start at the roots. The common IAS, Police officer should be fined/jailed and conviction should be a lot more in such cases. If the officers refuse to co-operate, the people on top can't execute much.

 

There was an interesting line of thought a visiting professor once explained: The IAS is inherently antagonistic towards the government because its predecessor, the ICS was formed to serve the British rule and those serving didn't really like the British and the common folks coveted the ICS jobs but also saw the ICS men as British sell outs. The same men formed the core of the IAS post independence and they weren't generally liked by the people or the Congress members of that time. And some how that friction has stayed on.

Edited June 28, 2018 by Mariyam

[Clarke]

17 hours ago, dial_100 said:

 

Yea everything is BS. Any suggestions?

 

All I am saying is if dynastic politics is leading to corruption then this will be one check in it, someway. Nobody is taking away your rights for being in politics. But now when corruption is caught, the person pays price and political party is untouched. Now it is only proposing that person belonging to the family has to leave that party and can do whatever he wants from other political party. They cannot use the same party symbol for next 10 years. If not then they can stay in the same party without any post or context election.

 

Are the corruption charges proved against Jayant sinha or Yashwant? Whats your point of bringing him in the discussion. 

This punishing of current & future family for someone's crimes is ridiculous to say the least. The constitution exists for that very reason, to lay down some fundamental principles which you ignored.

 

I mentioned Jayant Sinha because he, to some/many of us, presents himself as a reasonable candidate despite his family background. And there in lies the only long term solution: the people have to be smart enough to decide on the candidature of an individual despite his family background. You could bring umpteen laws, the 9th pass Yadav will throw his muscle behind some other Yadav/Muslim candidate and the only change will be that the proxy will have his commission in hundreds of crores. Unless the people can't judge candidates for themselves, one can continue working on the symptoms with no improvement in the disease. 

 

The problem I mention here also goes beyond dynasty politics, for e.g. Bengaluru South 2014 Lok Sabha election. I don't know Ananth Kumar or anybody else running from there but I do know that Nilekani changed the face of India & Bengaluru for better far more than anyone else contesting for that seat. If the junta of our IT capital can't figure that out, how does one expect majority rural India to go beyond caste & community lines ?

[someone]

4 hours ago, Mariyam said:

Corruption cannot be dissected as corruption in Politics, corruption in banks, corruption in administration  etc.

 

A compliant ( to corruption) bureaucracy plays a huge role in the spread and extent of corruption. All arms of the executive are corrupt, and take undue advantage of their position. And this has nothing to do with who is ruling. Corruption any scale is essentially facilitated by the many bureaucrats in between.

 

The way to tackle this problem is down-up. Start at the roots. The common IAS, Police officer should be fined/jailed and conviction should be a lot more in such cases. If the officers refuse to co-operate, the people on top can't execute much.

Actually, it's up-down. The first objective has to make corruption efficient. So even with corruption, at least the job should get done. And today  with this government, that has been successfully changed, we have improved drastically  on the efficiency. Earlier even with deep corruption, things were not completed. So it's the top level that holds the key where they need to have strong willpower.