Please drop Pandya to maintain Test cricket’s sanctity.

[express bowling]

Sourav Ganguly  , ( one of the best talent spotters in India ) supporting Pandya strongly in the pre-match show.  Saying that he has the game to bat at No.6 in test matches. Pointing out that he was out 2nd highest scorer after Kohli in the last match.

 

Also saying that he has the pace and needs to bowl more.

 

Saying emphatically that Pandya needs to be backed.  It takes time for people to settle in the test format.

 

(  He was rather critical of Shikhar Dhawan though. Saying that he has never shown any consistency outside Asia.  Pujara needs to be backed. )

[putrevus]

If Bhuvi was avialable I would drop Pandya and get Kuldeep in as extra spinner. Kuldeep is not a bad batsman either.Bhuvi Plus Kuldeep will give more batting and bowling depth.That way you still can play with 3 other seamers.

Edited August 9, 2018 by putrevus

[express bowling]

27 minutes ago, putrevus said:

If Bhuvi was avialable I would drop Pandya and get Kuldeep in as extra spinner. Kuldeep is not a bad batsman either.Bhuvi Plus Kuldeep will give more batting and bowling depth.That way you still can play with 3 other seamers.

 

I agree.

 

Bhuvi's batting in England is as good or better than Pandya's  in England.

 

Kuldeep's batting againt movement and pace is unknown though ...  but I would pick him as a pure bowler if Bhuvi were there.

Edited August 9, 2018 by express bowling

[putrevus]

8 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

I agree.

 

Bhuvi's batting in England is as good or better than Pandya's  in England.

 

Kuldeep's batting again movement and pace is unknown though ...  but I would pick him as a pure bowler if Bhuvi were there.

Bhuvi is the second most important player in this team especially on this tour. We would have won first test if he was in team.Unlike Ashwin ,Bhuvi would have batted with Kohli in both innings.Why is he injured again???

[Straight Drive]

Here is the comparison of batting performances of Ashwin, Bhuvi and Hardik in SA and England.

 

Bhuvi tops the batting in SA as well as England. Some of our specialist batsmen might not do what Bhuvi has in England thus far in terms of 50's as well as runs scored , batting avg. 

 

Edited August 9, 2018 by Straight Drive

[putrevus]

Ashwin gets lot of kudos for his batting but he has been a dissappointment both here and SA.Other than WI he has not done that well.

[Tibarn]

Not saying Pandya is some undroppable player or that he should play every match, but some are overestimating what passes off as an allrounder currently:

 

Test Allrounders

ICC Player Rankings
Rank	Name	Country	Rating
1	Shakib Al Hasan	BAN	420
2	R.A. Jadeja	IND	386
3	V.D. Philander	SA	371
4	R. Ashwin	IND	360
5	J.O. Holder	WI	355
6	B.A. Stokes	ENG	341
7	Moeen Ali	ENG	259
8	P.J. Cummins	AUS	249
9	M.A. Starc	AUS	248
10	M.D.K. Perera	SL	224

 

^Those are the only 10 players ranked as allrounders according to the ICC Player Rankings, therefore that can be the basis of what one can consider an allrounder.  It seems to be batsmen who can bowl or bowlers who can bat. 

 

 Allrounders, except for Shakib, seem to be players good at one skill, ie Starc/Philander with bowling, and handy with the other. Ash can wield a bat and is a great bowler, therefore he is an allrounder.

 

Pandya is primarily a batsman who can bowl, so he falls under that category, but, by the rankings, he hasn't played enough Test matches to be ranked, it seems. 

Edited August 9, 2018 by Tibarn

[SK_IH]

1 hour ago, putrevus said:

Ashwin gets lot of kudos for his batting but he has been a dissappointment both here and SA.Other than WI he has not done that well.

Expecting anything from him as a batsman would be foolish,he batted at 6 in SA one inning,which I thought was quite disgraceful

[putrevus]

54 minutes ago, SK_IH said:

Expecting anything from him as a batsman would be foolish,he batted at 6 in SA one inning,which I thought was quite disgraceful

But I feel if he given some strong words he has ability to knuckle down and play well , like he did in SL when he was demoted in the order.

[SK_IH]

7 hours ago, putrevus said:

But I feel if he given some strong words he has ability to knuckle down and play well , like he did in SL when he was demoted in the order.

May be,but I think we should not put him in an all round category

[Tibarn]

Hmmm, it seems some are being unfair to Pandya on his bowling:

 

 

Innings by innings list

Overs	Mdns	Runs	Wkts	Econ	Pos	Inns		Opposition	Ground	Start Date
3.0	0	13	1	4.33	5	2		v Sri Lanka	Galle	26 Jul 2017	Test # 2265
7.0	0	21	0	3.00	5	4		v Sri Lanka	Galle	26 Jul 2017	Test # 2265
DNB	-	-	-	-	-	2		v Sri Lanka	Colombo (SSC)	3 Aug 2017	Test # 2267
15.0	2	31	2	2.06	5	3		v Sri Lanka	Colombo (SSC)	3 Aug 2017	Test # 2267
6.0	1	28	1	4.66	3	2		v Sri Lanka	Pallekele	12 Aug 2017	Test # 2269
1.0	0	2	0	2.00	5	3		v Sri Lanka	Pallekele	12 Aug 2017	Test # 2269
12.0	1	53	1	4.41	4	1		v South Africa	Cape Town	5 Jan 2018	Test # 2292
6.0	0	27	2	4.50	4	3		v South Africa	Cape Town	5 Jan 2018	Test # 2292
16.0	4	50	0	3.12	4	1		v South Africa	Centurion	13 Jan 2018	Test # 2293
9.0	1	14	0	1.55	5	3		v South Africa	Centurion	13 Jan 2018	Test # 2293
2.0	0	3	0	1.50	5	2		v South Africa	Johannesburg	24 Jan 2018	Test # 2294
6.0	1	15	0	2.50	5	4		v South Africa	Johannesburg	24 Jan 2018	Test # 2294
5.0	0	18	0	3.60	3	2		v Afghanistan	Bengaluru	14 Jun 2018	Test # 2307
4.0	2	6	0	1.50	3	3		v Afghanistan	Bengaluru	14 Jun 2018	Test # 2307
10.0	1	46	0	4.60	5	1		v England	Birmingham	1 Aug 2018	Test # 2314
DNB	-	-	-	-	-	3		v England	Birmingham	1 Aug 2018

 

 

The guy hasn't even bowled enough overs in the majority of the innings he has bowled to even expect a wicket, and then he get's criticized for not taking wickets. 

 

Frontline bowlers take between 8 and 10 overs of bowling before they take a single wicket. In only 5 of 14 innings in which Pandya has bowled has he reached above the 8 overs mark. Not that he sets the world on fire when he does get an extended run, but his average and SR are misleading if he doesn't even get to bowl a sufficient quota of overs   

[shortbread]

India won't win another test because of carrying a passenger like Pandya. Pandya is like a poorer version of Azhar Mahmood or Scott Styris. Had there been 5 potent bowlers during the first test, England's runs would have been limited and India had a chance of going 1-0 up.

 

Pandya being pointless and expensive with the ball and having no match winning capability with the bat will cost India dear!

[Ankit_sharma03]

2 hours ago, shortbread said:

India won't win another test because of carrying a passenger like Pandya. Pandya is like a poorer version of Azhar Mahmood or Scott Styris. Had there been 5 potent bowlers during the first test, England's runs would have been limited and India had a chance of going 1-0 up.

Had we hold our catches we england wnt have scored, have as many bolwers as possible u aint going to win until u hold catches

HAd pandya not played his 20+ runs which allowed kohli to score 20-30 with him in partnership , wud have made us loss 80-100 runs in both innings together  

2 hours ago, shortbread said:

Pandya being pointless and expensive with the ball and having no match winning capability with the bat will cost India dear!

No one players wins or looses game

To be honest he was the saving grace for us in SA 1st test or else it wud have very embarssing

 

Ur not loosing becoz of pandya, we aint going to win till our batsman score runs or fielder take catches

[Ankit_sharma03]

5 hours ago, Tibarn said:

Hmmm, it seems some are being unfair to Pandya on his bowling:

 

 

Innings by innings list

Overs	Mdns	Runs	Wkts	Econ	Pos	Inns		Opposition	Ground	Start Date
3.0	0	13	1	4.33	5	2		v Sri Lanka	Galle	26 Jul 2017	Test # 2265
7.0	0	21	0	3.00	5	4		v Sri Lanka	Galle	26 Jul 2017	Test # 2265
DNB	-	-	-	-	-	2		v Sri Lanka	Colombo (SSC)	3 Aug 2017	Test # 2267
15.0	2	31	2	2.06	5	3		v Sri Lanka	Colombo (SSC)	3 Aug 2017	Test # 2267
6.0	1	28	1	4.66	3	2		v Sri Lanka	Pallekele	12 Aug 2017	Test # 2269
1.0	0	2	0	2.00	5	3		v Sri Lanka	Pallekele	12 Aug 2017	Test # 2269
12.0	1	53	1	4.41	4	1		v South Africa	Cape Town	5 Jan 2018	Test # 2292
6.0	0	27	2	4.50	4	3		v South Africa	Cape Town	5 Jan 2018	Test # 2292
16.0	4	50	0	3.12	4	1		v South Africa	Centurion	13 Jan 2018	Test # 2293
9.0	1	14	0	1.55	5	3		v South Africa	Centurion	13 Jan 2018	Test # 2293
2.0	0	3	0	1.50	5	2		v South Africa	Johannesburg	24 Jan 2018	Test # 2294
6.0	1	15	0	2.50	5	4		v South Africa	Johannesburg	24 Jan 2018	Test # 2294
5.0	0	18	0	3.60	3	2		v Afghanistan	Bengaluru	14 Jun 2018	Test # 2307
4.0	2	6	0	1.50	3	3		v Afghanistan	Bengaluru	14 Jun 2018	Test # 2307
10.0	1	46	0	4.60	5	1		v England	Birmingham	1 Aug 2018	Test # 2314
DNB	-	-	-	-	-	3		v England	Birmingham	1 Aug 2018

 

 

The guy hasn't even bowled enough overs in the majority of the innings he has bowled to even expect a wicket, and then he get's criticized for not taking wickets. 

 

Frontline bowlers take between 8 and 10 overs of bowling before they take a single wicket. In only 5 of 14 innings in which Pandya has bowled has he reached above the 8 overs mark. Not that he sets the world on fire when he does get an extended run, but his average and SR are misleading if he doesn't even get to bowl a sufficient quota of overs   

also he gets an old ball unlike main bowlers, and yes he lacks experiences due to which his skills arent developed fully 

[shortbread]

Apart from Mumbai Indian supporters, every other cricket enthusiast knows the guy is heavily overrated. He brings nothing to the table!

[R!TTER]

Just now, shortbread said:

Apart from Mumbai Indian supporters, every other cricket enthusiast knows the guy is heavily overrated. He brings nothing to the table!

Are all the Pandya supporters in this thread MI fans?

[Ankit_sharma03]

1 minute ago, shortbread said:

Apart from Mumbai Indian supporters, every other cricket enthusiast knows the guy is heavily overrated. He brings nothing to the table!

so ganguly, shaun pollack, kumar sangakara are MI supporters 

[shortbread]

22 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

so ganguly, shaun pollack, kumar sangakara are MI supporters 

Now that he scored 11, has he become the 4th best batsman in the line up?

 

Also, is he still a batting all rounder or are we reverting to a bowling all-rounder?

[Ankit_sharma03]

2 minutes ago, shortbread said:

Now that he scored 11, has he become the 4th best batsman in the line up?

 

Also, is he still a batting all rounder or are we reverting to a bowling all-rounder?

will come to that wen we decide starting from what are they batsman or nothing in team

[coffee_rules]

perffect example of bits and pieces player. Heard of such players in LOIs, in Test cricket there are v few.