Trichromatic Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 No point running in and hitting 140 when you got at 5 rpo in 4 day game. Whether you are fast or medium fast or medium bowler, it's the accuracy which matters most. Traditionally trundlers are considered to be accurate and fast bowlers bit wayward, but I don't think there is any relation. I have seen trundlers spraying ball at leg and pitching it short only to get smashed. Similarly fast bowlers don't become accurate by losing pace. If they are wayward while bowling at their natural pace, then they will remain so even at reduced pace. Everyone has their natural pace which they can work on to increase it gradually. However if they can't bowl line and length at that pace then losing pace is unlikely to help. Similary if a trundler suddenly tries to gain pace then he is going to lose direction. Now when we have bigger pool of fast bowlers it's time to discard fast spray guns and look towards potential fast line and lengths bowlers. Expectations have to change and we can't remain satisfied with just pace. It worked 10 years back, but not any longer. Selectors should look towards youngers bowlers who can control it too. Vilander, Lannister, sscomp32 and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment
Cricketics Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 This is just warm up game. Players are trying to do different things. We will see how they do in first test. Also two of the best - Bhuvi and Bumrah aren’t bowling. Things will look different when they bowl. Link to comment
express bowling Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 We need to move towards pacers who combine accuracy with pace and bounce ...like Bumrah. Pace without accuracy ... you release pressure and get hit. Accuracy at medium pace without bounce ... you are unlikely to be an all condition pacer. You look innocuous half the time. Lannister, Mosher and Trichromatic 3 Link to comment
express bowling Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 8 minutes ago, Cricketics said: Also twonof the best - Bhuvi and Bumrah aren’t bowling. Things will look different when they bowl. Bhuvi is unlikely to play in the first test. Cricketics, Vilander and vishalvirsingh 1 2 Link to comment
Vijy Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 38 minutes ago, express bowling said: We need to move towards pacers who combine accuracy with pace and bounce ...like Bumrah. Pace without accuracy ... you release pressure and get hit. Accuracy at medium pace without bounce ... you are unlikely to be an all condition pacer. You look innocuous half the time. Agreed. However, it would be nice if we can uncover an Abbas-like medium-pace bowler (atleast for SC pitches). Link to comment
express bowling Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 16 minutes ago, Vijy said: Agreed. However, it would be nice if we can uncover an Abbas-like medium-pace bowler (atleast for SC pitches). Let Abbas play for 2 to 3 years and then decide how he is. Mosher, Rightarmfast and The Dark Horse 1 2 Link to comment
Vijy Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 8 minutes ago, express bowling said: Let Abbas play for 2 to 3 years and then decide how he is. true, but I expect that it will probably end up like phil-trundler. record will become less impressive compared to now, but still pretty good (esp in helpful or familiar conditions). reminds me too much of asif (who was a git otherwise) but a very thinking bowler. Link to comment
Trichromatic Posted November 30, 2018 Author Share Posted November 30, 2018 5 hours ago, Vijy said: true, but I expect that it will probably end up like phil-trundler. record will become less impressive compared to now, but still pretty good (esp in helpful or familiar conditions). reminds me too much of asif (who was a git otherwise) but a very thinking bowler. Asif was not Philander or Abbas type bowler. He was tall and could seam the ball which works almost even with very little help from conditions. express bowling 1 Link to comment
Suhaan Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 (edited) Aussie pitches assist tallish to tall bowlers more than shorter bowlers as they get more bounce because batsmen who tend to cut or drive the deliveries end up playing it in air giving opportunity of picking wickets provided you hit right line and lengths Being SC bowlers ,our bowlers take time to adjust to th lengths needed in this part of world Umesh any how wont learn a bit even if he spends his rest of life in Auss Shami is a slow starter by the team he gets used to the conditions series will be over with us losing yet again Selectors missed a trick by not picking bowlers like Rajpoot, Siraj Umesh is an utter waste ,cant believe he is picked yet again Edited November 30, 2018 by Suhaan Link to comment
vishalvirsingh Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 22 hours ago, Suhaan said: Aussie pitches assist tallish to tall bowlers more than shorter bowlers as they get more bounce because batsmen who tend to cut or drive the deliveries end up playing it in air giving opportunity of picking wickets provided you hit right line and lengths Being SC bowlers ,our bowlers take time to adjust to th lengths needed in this part of world Umesh any how wont learn a bit even if he spends his rest of life in Auss Shami is a slow starter by the team he gets used to the conditions series will be over with us losing yet again Selectors missed a trick by not picking bowlers like Rajpoot, Siraj Umesh is an utter waste ,cant believe he is picked yet again Why the he'll is Siraj not in contention for getting into Indian 11. Are bhuvi umesh and ishant better than Siraj.. Shammi bumrah..I can agree but Siraj is better than first 3 Link to comment
Clarke Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 (edited) Wrong! We need phassht boilers. Till date we haven't had a bowler who delivers the ball at such speed that it results in sonic boom. That should be the immediate priority. Besides the pace, the sound would be pretty distracting for the batsman. The long term search should be concentrated on bowlers who can consistently bowl at a pace where the friction of the air causes the ball to sort of self-ignite, like it happens with extra-terrestrial objects enter the Earth's atmosphere. These type of phassht boilers wouldn't need accuracy as a prerequisite. Heck, we won't need wicket keepers or slips or catchers either. Just a lot of ear plugs, balls, stumps, safety gear etc. @rkt.india @express bowling @Rightarmfast have all been trying to unearth such bowlers on the gali & nukkad circuit without much success. Edited December 1, 2018 by Clarke Vilander, Rightarmfast and tweaker 3 Link to comment
Rightarmfast Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Clarke said: Wrong! We need phassht boilers. Till date we haven't had a bowler who delivers the ball at such speed that it results in sonic boom. That should be the immediate priority. Besides the pace, the sound would be pretty distracting for the batsman. The long term search should be concentrated on bowlers who can consistently bowl at a pace where the friction of the air causes the ball to sort of self-ignite, like it happens with extra-terrestrial objects enter the Earth's atmosphere. These type of phassht boilers wouldn't need accuracy as a prerequisite. Heck, we won't need wicket keepers or slips or catchers either. Just a lot of ear plugs, balls, stumps, safety gear etc. @rkt.india @express bowling @Rightarmfast have all been trying to unearth such bowlers on the gali & nukkad circuit without much success. Thanks for the subtle sarcasm. Matlab hamari keh ke le rahe ho? Edited December 1, 2018 by Rightarmfast Link to comment
Clarke Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 38 minutes ago, Rightarmfast said: Thanks for the subtle sarcasm. Matlab hamari keh ke le rahe ho? Nah, as one of the rare trundler Bhuvi fans on the forum, I respect the passion of some pace bowling fans on the forum as listed, especially given our cricketing history. Link to comment
Trichromatic Posted December 1, 2018 Author Share Posted December 1, 2018 1 hour ago, vishalvirsingh said: Why the he'll is Siraj not in contention for getting into Indian 11. Are bhuvi umesh and ishant better than Siraj.. Shammi bumrah..I can agree but Siraj is better than first 3 Because team values experience too much (Bhuvi) and focus has been on fast bowling only (Yadav). It's time to send clear message to bowlers that they have to work on their line and length too and being fast isn't going to be enough. Link to comment
Vilander Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 7 minutes ago, Trichromatic said: Because team values experience too much (Bhuvi) and focus has been on fast bowling only (Yadav). It's time to send clear message to bowlers that they have to work on their line and length too and being fast isn't going to be enough. And i am not particularly sure that umesh is faster rhan Siraj right now. Link to comment
Rightarmfast Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 51 minutes ago, Clarke said: Nah, as one of the rare trundler Bhuvi fans on the forum, I respect the passion of some pace bowling fans on the forum as listed, especially given our cricketing history. I have always liked Bhuvi Link to comment
Rightarmfast Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 23 minutes ago, Vilander said: And i am not particularly sure that umesh is faster rhan Siraj right now. Well the thing is, if the team needed Siraj, he should have been blooded for the Aussie tour. He wasnt! I dont think Australia is a tour any captain would take a chance with a new fast bowler. Link to comment
vishalvirsingh Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 1 hour ago, Trichromatic said: Because team values experience too much (Bhuvi) and focus has been on fast bowling only (Yadav). It's time to send clear message to bowlers that they have to work on their line and length too and being fast isn't going to be enough. giving value to experience is not Bad but bhuvi is only a good bowler on swing friendly tracks..not sure he is ideal for any track in australia, I think here ball does not swing at all. Umesh is no more a genuine fast bowler, he has been regularly bowling slower than SHAMMI and BUMRAH but still he is considered a Fast bowler where as he is definitely slower than shammi and bumrah on average in any spell. umesh's usp is now no more and siraj is faster than umesh now for sure. Umesh recently got 10 wickets in a test ..apart from that he has never performed very well in tests. even ishant is bowling better than Umesh nowadays. even in this practice game shammi has outbowled ishant and umesh. My only regret is Siraj deserved to be in australia for tests so that he could be in contention of geting into 11. Link to comment
Trichromatic Posted December 1, 2018 Author Share Posted December 1, 2018 Pacers in last 5 years Player Span Mat Inns Overs Mdns Runs Wkts BBI BBM Ave Econ SR 5 10 Mohammed Shami 2013-2018 34 65 1074.3 187 3653 117 5/28 6/74 31.22 3.39 55.1 2 0 I Sharma 2013-2018 36 66 1121.3 230 3422 112 7/74 9/162 30.55 3.05 60.0 5 0 UT Yadav 2014-2018 31 62 825.2 156 2804 85 6/88 10/133 32.98 3.39 58.2 1 1 B Kumar 2014-2018 15 26 454.0 123 1303 54 6/82 8/96 24.12 2.87 50.4 4 0 JJ Bumrah 2018-2018 6 12 245.3 47 716 28 5/54 7/111 25.57 2.91 52.6 2 0 HH Pandya 2017-2018 11 19 156.1 19 528 17 5/28 6/50 31.05 3.38 55.1 1 0 Z Khan 2013-2014 4 7 195.3 31 702 16 5/170 5/223 43.87 3.59 73.3 1 0 VR Aaron 2014-2015 8 12 166.1 8 818 15 3/97 3/97 54.53 4.92 66.4 0 0 STR Binny 2014-2015 6 7 75.0 12 258 3 2/24 2/73 86.00 3.44 150.0 0 0 Pankaj Singh 2014-2014 2 3 75.0 17 292 2 2/113 2/113 146.00 3.89 225.0 0 0 MS Dhoni 2013-2014 11 2 3.0 0 9 0 - - - 3.00 - 0 0 V Kohli 2013-2018 53 6 16.1 2 41 0 - - - 2.53 - 0 0 SN Thakur 2018-2018 1 1 1.4 0 9 0 - - - 5.40 - 0 0 Aaron, Pankaj Singh and Shardul Thakur. Only 3 bowlers who have been tested in last 5 years (55 tests). This list should have been longer and included at least 4-5 bowlers more. Attitude of current team management has been quite poor towards young bowlers and when you have such large pool of bowlers who can tested, not giving them chance is absolute waste of resources. None of the bowlers are being drafted directly or given enough opportunities. Bumrah proved himself in ODIs and made his way to the team. Apart from them everyone has been around for long time even in test arena. If management doesn't start searching for better bowlers right now, it will miss a golden period of transition and this short sightedness will stall progress of Indian team by another decade. Rightarmfast 1 Link to comment
Vijy Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 1 hour ago, Trichromatic said: Pacers in last 5 years Player Span Mat Inns Overs Mdns Runs Wkts BBI BBM Ave Econ SR 5 10 Mohammed Shami 2013-2018 34 65 1074.3 187 3653 117 5/28 6/74 31.22 3.39 55.1 2 0 I Sharma 2013-2018 36 66 1121.3 230 3422 112 7/74 9/162 30.55 3.05 60.0 5 0 UT Yadav 2014-2018 31 62 825.2 156 2804 85 6/88 10/133 32.98 3.39 58.2 1 1 B Kumar 2014-2018 15 26 454.0 123 1303 54 6/82 8/96 24.12 2.87 50.4 4 0 JJ Bumrah 2018-2018 6 12 245.3 47 716 28 5/54 7/111 25.57 2.91 52.6 2 0 HH Pandya 2017-2018 11 19 156.1 19 528 17 5/28 6/50 31.05 3.38 55.1 1 0 Z Khan 2013-2014 4 7 195.3 31 702 16 5/170 5/223 43.87 3.59 73.3 1 0 VR Aaron 2014-2015 8 12 166.1 8 818 15 3/97 3/97 54.53 4.92 66.4 0 0 STR Binny 2014-2015 6 7 75.0 12 258 3 2/24 2/73 86.00 3.44 150.0 0 0 Pankaj Singh 2014-2014 2 3 75.0 17 292 2 2/113 2/113 146.00 3.89 225.0 0 0 MS Dhoni 2013-2014 11 2 3.0 0 9 0 - - - 3.00 - 0 0 V Kohli 2013-2018 53 6 16.1 2 41 0 - - - 2.53 - 0 0 SN Thakur 2018-2018 1 1 1.4 0 9 0 - - - 5.40 - 0 0 Aaron, Pankaj Singh and Shardul Thakur. Only 3 bowlers who have been tested in last 5 years (55 tests). This list should have been longer and included at least 4-5 bowlers more. Attitude of current team management has been quite poor towards young bowlers and when you have such large pool of bowlers who can tested, not giving them chance is absolute waste of resources. None of the bowlers are being drafted directly or given enough opportunities. Bumrah proved himself in ODIs and made his way to the team. Apart from them everyone has been around for long time even in test arena. If management doesn't start searching for better bowlers right now, it will miss a golden period of transition and this short sightedness will stall progress of Indian team by another decade. need to give siraj and rajpoot more opportunities. youngsters like mavi, nagarkoti and porel are also promising. Link to comment
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