Michael Vaughan places Virat Kohli above Sachin Tendulkar and Brian Lara: I haven't seen anyone better

[Muloghonto]

7 hours ago, Vilander said:

Top post. Strictly based on facts from the past few series never seen an Indian batsman dominate good pace attacks in testing conditions like Kohli. Even dravid was a bit more subdued..others not nearly good enough.

Implicit proof that you've not watched cricket in the 90s. Ergo disqualified in all the Tendulkar/Lara vs xyz debates.

[Vilander]

6 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

Implicit proof that you've not watched cricket in the 90s. Ergo disqualified in all the Tendulkar/Lara vs xyz debates.

uncleji this is a public forum. whatever implicit ergo etc..i treat your posts like tissue paper basically wipe and flush the **** you type out of memory. 

Edited December 20, 2018 by Vilander

[Vilander]

6 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

unsubstantiated beleif systems are rarely worth arguing with. Very wise.

 

ok Kohli is greater than Dravid who was erstwhile the best ever Indian test bat.. 

 

 

 

[zen]

These were among the key pace bowlers of 90s:

 

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Start of match date between 1 Jan 1990 and 31 Dec 1999

Type of bowler (by style) pace bowler

Qualifications wickets taken greater than or equal to 150  and bowling average less than or equal to 25

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Player	Span	Mat	Inns	Overs	Mdns	Runs	Wkts	BBI	BBM	Ave	Econ	SR	5	10
CEL Ambrose (WI)	1990-1999	71	128	2691.2	728	6224	309	8/45	11/84	20.14	2.31	52.2	21	3
Wasim Akram (PAK)	1990-1999	62	111	2355.4	529	6200	289	7/119	11/160	21.45	2.63	48.9	17	3
AA Donald (SA)	1992-1999	59	105	2166.0	544	6200	284	8/71	12/139	21.83	2.86	45.7	19	3
Waqar Younis (PAK)	1990-1999	56	101	1863.1	375	5927	273	7/76	13/135	21.71	3.18	40.9	21	5
GD McGrath (AUS)	1993-1999	58	112	2326.0	642	6086	266	8/38	10/78	22.87	2.61	52.4	15	1
SM Pollock (SA)	1995-1999	38	67	1411.4	407	3294	161	7/87	9/103	20.45	2.33	52.6	10	0

 

 

vs when any of the common to both teams bowlers from the above were in the 11:

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Involving any of the players AA Donald (SA)  or GD McGrath (AUS)  or SM Pollock (SA)  or Waqar Younis (PAK) or Wasim Akram (PAK)

Qualifications runs scored greater than or equal to 500  and innings batted greater than or equal to 20

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Player	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0
BC Lara (WI)	1990-1999	26	49	2	1935	213	41.17	3239	59.74	4	11	1
CL Hooper (WI)	1990-1999	25	46	5	1521	178*	37.09	2912	52.23	4	5	4
SC Ganguly (INDIA)	1996-1999	10	20	2	618	73	34.33	1402	44.07	0	6	2
SR Tendulkar (INDIA)	1992-1999	15	28	0	931	169	33.25	1962	47.45	4	3	5
R Dravid (INDIA)	1996-1999	11	21	1	655	148	32.75	1894	34.58	1	2	0
RB Richardson (WI)	1990-1995	11	21	2	595	100	31.31	1111	53.55	1	3	2
SL Campbell (WI)	1995-1999	13	26	2	742	113	30.91	2105	35.24	2	4	4
S Chanderpaul (WI)	1996-1999	13	25	0	763	95	30.52	1835	41.58	0	6	1
M Azharuddin (INDIA)	1992-1999	13	24	1	680	115	29.56	1026	66.27	2	3	0
JC Adams (WI)	1992-1999	14	25	5	558	94	27.90	1542	36.18	0	3	4

 

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[cowboysfan]

what a joke,i guess recency bias is valid even for former players.Sachin is the greatest batsman india probably will ever produce,he would massacre Lyon and banish him to the shadow realm instead of nurdling on his front foot every freaking ball.basically Lyon will single handedly win the series for the aussies ,these jokers cant even play decent off spin .

[Muloghonto]

4 hours ago, Vilander said:

uncleji this is a public forum. whatever implicit ergo etc..i treat your posts like tissue paper basically wipe and flush the **** you type out of memory. 

Good, thats how religious views work, keep it up. 

[Muloghonto]

4 hours ago, Vilander said:

 

ok Kohli is greater than Dravid who was erstwhile the best ever Indian test bat.. 

 

 

 

As i said, your religion of recent times is showing. 

[rtmohanlal]

1 hour ago, cowboysfan said:

what a joke,i guess recency bias is valid even for former players.Sachin is the greatest batsman india probably will ever produce,he would massacre Lyon and banish him to the shadow realm instead of nurdling on his front foot every freaking ball.basically Lyon will single handedly win the series for the aussies ,these jokers cant even play decent off spin .

not degrading  Kohli by any means , but my blood boils when I  sees 'these incompetent bunch including Kohli it must be said' surrender to this absolute mediocre spinner.As you said , if AUS wins the series because of this mediocre spinner, that would be one of the most shameful events in the history of Indian cricket.... in a country that assist fast bowlers the most, surviving all of them and surrendering to a very moderate spinner ..... hho.... I can't simply imagine that !!!!!!! When ever this 'mediocre'  was taking a  wkt and jumping in joy , all of a sudden came in to  my  mind the thought of that champion VVS who would literally  have toyed with this 'mediocre' by playing those in side out shots. Hope from here on Kohli & co find some ways not to lose the series at least even more so because of this fake Lion .

[Jamadagni]

1 hour ago, rtmohanlal said:

not degrading  Kohli by any means , but my blood boils when I  sees 'these incompetent bunch including Kohli it must be said' surrender to this absolute mediocre spinner.As you said , if AUS wins the series because of this mediocre spinner, that would be one of the most shameful events in the history of Indian cricket.... in a country that assist fast bowlers the most, surviving all of them and surrendering to a very moderate spinner ..... hho.... I can't simply imagine that !!!!!!! When ever this 'mediocre'  was taking a  wkt and jumping in joy , all of a sudden came in to  my  mind the thought of that champion VVS who would literally  have toyed with this 'mediocre' by playing those in side out shots. Hope from here on Kohli & co find some ways not to lose the series at least even more so because of this fake Lion .

Do you consider Ashwin as a good spinner? 

[rtmohanlal]

1 hour ago, Jamadagni said:

Do you consider Ashwin as a good spinner? 

Ashwin is a good spinner.why asked?

Edited December 21, 2018 by rtmohanlal

[Vilander]

13 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

As i said, your religion of recent times is showing. 

you have found a new method..bore the other person out of the conversation.

[cric_fan]

Agree 100%

 

Sachin fanatics will be triggered :p

 

But in terms of style, nobody beats Lara.

[rkt.india]

14 hours ago, cowboysfan said:

what a joke,i guess recency bias is valid even for former players.Sachin is the greatest batsman india probably will ever produce,he would massacre Lyon and banish him to the shadow realm instead of nurdling on his front foot every freaking ball.basically Lyon will single handedly win the series for the aussies ,these jokers cant even play decent off spin .

that is just too exaggeration.  he could not massacre many mediocre spinners.  Lyon is one of the best off spinners ever.

[Muloghonto]

2 hours ago, rkt.india said:

that is just too exaggeration.  he could not massacre many mediocre spinners.  Lyon is one of the best off spinners ever.

Yet he massacred spinners far better than Lyon. Offies have rarely bothered the far superior Indian batsmen (against spin) from the past. Because they were 1000 times better at sweeping and thus negating the spin. 

[MechEng]

Kohli can dream of replicating Sharjah knocks.

[mishra]

5 hours ago, rkt.india said:

that is just too exaggeration.  he could not massacre many mediocre spinners.  Lyon is one of the best off spinners ever.

Lyon , one of best spinner, ever 

[cric_fan]

Lyon , one of best spinner, ever 

Says for Aus in the small print

[Jamadagni]

6 hours ago, MechEng said:

Kohli can dream of replicating Sharjah knocks.

He played better knocks. 133 vs SL and 183 vs Pak. 

[BML]

India test hierarchy batsman

 

Dravid

Kohli

 

India ODI hierarchy batsman

 

Kohli

MSD

[rkt.india]

10 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

Yet he massacred spinners far better than Lyon. Offies have rarely bothered the far superior Indian batsmen (against spin) from the past. Because they were 1000 times better at sweeping and thus negating the spin. 

Indians have never been known for sweeping, dont make up things.  Indians have always struggled against spinners who have been quick in the air.  So they could have handled likes of Warne who were slower in the air.  Murli averages 24 against India in SL.  

Edited December 22, 2018 by rkt.india