Straight Drive Posted August 22, 2020 Posted August 22, 2020 5 hours ago, First class said: OK, forget about Pakistan, assume all the reports from there about controlling the corona pandemic are false ( if that gives you some satisfaction ) , but what about India, with its much better healthcare system and financial condition, the spread of corona 19 is not controlled, people are dying in constant and increasing number. This is an important question, as unless infection is controlled in India, no neighboring country is safe and can relax. Only vaccine will solve the pandemic. There is no miracle solution in scientific world. If Pakistan or any other rcountry claims to have solved corona pandemic without having a vaccine then it is all fake narrative. Even America is in a helpless situation in absence of vaccine. Some countries are testing good number of people daily hence high count, some like China are just hiding facts because they are not democratic as India or US. They control their media and numbers. Chinese data of coronavieus should not be taken seriously. raki05 1
Adi_91 Posted August 22, 2020 Posted August 22, 2020 4 hours ago, Autonomous said: Infection rate is hardly 2%. It has clearly diminished/reduced largely, I do not advocate for IK's policies but think it has largely been cleared off. We are all operating with business as usual. I'm now sure how, it could be a miracle or a combo of youth/virus strain/general immunity etc. This is not a miracle. India is a young country too, but young get infected as well, although they recover. It was said that BCG vaccination helps in combating the virus from wreaking havoc, but the point is the person will still get infected. In Pakistan’s case, testing has gone down and there is hardly anything that Im the Dim did except to crib and plead for loan waivers in view of the pandemic. That is why people are skeptical about the numbers from your country. raki05 1
First class Posted August 22, 2020 Posted August 22, 2020 (edited) Its true India has a higher tests/million ratio which stands at 24959/million population today and Pakistan much lower at 10904/million, BD is even lower but they just jumped ahead of Pakistan for number of cases now. Deaths are hard to hide, but can be hidden to certain extend, but there is no effort or reason for Pakistan to hide deaths from corona. Death rate has gone down significantly in Pakistan and only in Pakistan in the region, Whichever way you look, there is no doubt the infection rate is extremely low in Pakistan now . How it happened ? is still a mystery. Even epidemiologists in the west are scratching there heads over it. And, there is no way Pakistan can declare victory over it, the infection can come back easily , hope vaccine will be available by January if not sooner. Edited August 22, 2020 by First class
Autonomous Posted August 22, 2020 Posted August 22, 2020 8 hours ago, sandeep said: Based only on the tests that were conducted. When you have a crap healthcare system, people who have mild symptoms or no symptoms aren't going to spend money to get tested. Only the really sick ones and those who can afford it will. This will have an automatic reduction impact on the numbers that are recorded. This is not just applicable to Pakistan, it is applicable to India as well. I do not harbor illwill for Pakistani public, I hope that the spread has reduced, and this pandemic goes away from Pakistan, and everywhere else on the planet. But I would just be hesitant about declaring premature victory - lot of folks had a tendency to do that in India a couple of months ago too. Agreed. But you don't hear anyone being covid positive now, earlier even in my social circle there were people reporting positive or getting sick. Everything is open since april end, we are almost in sept now. It could be that jisko hona tha hogya with huge eid gatherings as well
raki05 Posted August 23, 2020 Posted August 23, 2020 21 hours ago, First class said: You guys need to be a bit more open minded but if you're happy by assuming the success story of Pakistan in controlling the pandemic which is accepted all over the world is just a false claim due to low test rate then good for you, whatever makes you happy. Yes, its a "failed state" which is almost cornona free, unlike the much more "developed" countries where people are dying in big number. Ideally, this is the one area where Pakistan can help its neighbors and help them save thousands of lives. BC chaddhi kharidney ki aukat nahi chaley hai help karney. Bhikhari Khan ko bolo arabs ki drivery karey. Help .....bu ha ha ha.
raki05 Posted August 23, 2020 Posted August 23, 2020 6 hours ago, First class said: Its true India has a higher tests/million ratio which stands at 24959/million population today and Pakistan much lower at 10904/million, BD is even lower but they just jumped ahead of Pakistan for number of cases now. Deaths are hard to hide, but can be hidden to certain extend, but there is no effort or reason for Pakistan to hide deaths from corona. Death rate has gone down significantly in Pakistan and only in Pakistan in the region, Whichever way you look, there is no doubt the infection rate is extremely low in Pakistan now . How it happened ? is still a mystery. Even epidemiologists in the west are scratching there heads over it. And, there is no way Pakistan can declare victory over it, the infection can come back easily , hope vaccine will be available by January if not sooner. Than how the hell you were bragging about helping other countries.
First class Posted August 23, 2020 Posted August 23, 2020 1 hour ago, raki05 said: Than how the hell you were bragging about helping other countries. You must be a very nasty guy in real life, whom to blame for that ? sandeep and VT87 2
raki05 Posted August 23, 2020 Posted August 23, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, First class said: You must be a very nasty guy in real life, whom to blame for that ? Diriliş: Ertuğrul Edited August 23, 2020 by raki05
veer Posted August 24, 2020 Posted August 24, 2020 On 8/22/2020 at 10:07 PM, raki05 said: Than how the hell you were bragging about helping other countries. that's lahori logic for you.. this reminds me of Abdul Razzak saying 'let me coach Hardik Pandya and he will be a world beater all rounder.'.. ok have you coached anyone and made anyone big? Ummm.. No.. raki05 1
sandeep Posted August 25, 2020 Posted August 25, 2020 On 8/22/2020 at 3:46 PM, First class said: Its true India has a higher tests/million ratio which stands at 24959/million population today and Pakistan much lower at 10904/million, BD is even lower but they just jumped ahead of Pakistan for number of cases now. Deaths are hard to hide, but can be hidden to certain extend, but there is no effort or reason for Pakistan to hide deaths from corona. Death rate has gone down significantly in Pakistan and only in Pakistan in the region, Whichever way you look, there is no doubt the infection rate is extremely low in Pakistan now . Wanting to believe something to be true, and it being true, are 2 different things. On 8/22/2020 at 12:05 AM, First class said: Ideally, this is the one area where Pakistan can help its neighbors and help them save thousands of lives. On 8/22/2020 at 8:41 AM, sandeep said: Let's take your statement at face value. How in the world is Pakistan going to "help" anybody? In what capacity? Be Specific.
Autonomous Posted August 25, 2020 Posted August 25, 2020 25 minutes ago, sandeep said: Wanting to believe something to be true, and it being true, are 2 different things. Aray bhai overseas hai. Koi faida nai
mishra Posted August 25, 2020 Posted August 25, 2020 On 8/22/2020 at 8:46 PM, First class said: Its true India has a higher tests/million ratio which stands at 24959/million population today and Pakistan much lower at 10904/million, BD is even lower but they just jumped ahead of Pakistan for number of cases now. Deaths are hard to hide, but can be hidden to certain extend, but there is no effort or reason for Pakistan to hide deaths from corona. Death rate has gone down significantly in Pakistan and only in Pakistan in the region, Whichever way you look, there is no doubt the infection rate is extremely low in Pakistan now . How it happened ? is still a mystery. Even epidemiologists in the west are scratching there heads over it. And, there is no way Pakistan can declare victory over it, the infection can come back easily , hope vaccine will be available by January if not sooner. Bhai, All Pakistanis are Ironman, rest of world is only human. Thats why Corona coudn’t do jack **** despite no lockdown, no medicine, no social distancing in Pakistan.
Vilander Posted August 25, 2020 Posted August 25, 2020 Corona is terminal only in a low percentage of people who have co morbid condition and are above certain age. Covid however will create waves of new illness in younger population that it is affecting this is where India is doing well with over all health care and alternative medicine. India US Brazil BD PAK Russia with their huge populations and largely true reporting will have high case loads. Death rates are more accurate reflection of the low percentage of terminal cases.
sandeep Posted August 25, 2020 Posted August 25, 2020 19 minutes ago, mishra said: Bhai, All Pakistanis are Ironman, rest of world is only human. Thats why Corona coudn’t do jack **** despite no lockdown, no medicine, no social distancing in Pakistan. See what bothers me is that this guy says he's a Doc - and lets assume he's being honest, which I think he may be. Then at that point, he of all ppl, should be well acquainted with how macro-statistics are collected. Public Health officials can make conscious decisions about how to go about counting fatalities with co-morbilities - especially if you are working under a corrupt regime habituated to focusing on propaganda over facts. A country under the jackboots of a military junta, obsessed with '5th generation warfare', desperate to avoid coming under public pressure and criticism - do you think they may have some incentive to not deliver the facts when it comes to bad news? mishra 1
coffee_rules Posted August 25, 2020 Posted August 25, 2020 This is getting too much. https://www.indiatoday.in/amp/world/story/pakistan-s-former-ambassador-to-indonesia-sold-embassy-building-illegally-at-throwaway-price-1713982-2020-08-22?__twitter_impression=true Pakistan's former ambassador to Indonesia sold embassy building illegally at 'throwaway price' Pakistan's top graft body, NAB has found its former ambassador to Indonesia Major General (retd) Syed Mustafa Anwar guilty of illegally selling the embassy building in Jakarta. Laaloo and sandeep 2
mishra Posted August 25, 2020 Posted August 25, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, sandeep said: See what bothers me is that this guy says he's a Doc - and lets assume he's being honest, which I think he may be. Then at that point, he of all ppl, should be well acquainted with how macro-statistics are collected. Public Health officials can make conscious decisions about how to go about counting fatalities with co-morbilities - especially if you are working under a corrupt regime habituated to focusing on propaganda over facts. A country under the jackboots of a military junta, obsessed with '5th generation warfare', desperate to avoid coming under public pressure and criticism - do you think they may have some incentive to not deliver the facts when it comes to bad news? He may be George Khan character from movie East is East. ( In my Pakistan ...) Edited August 25, 2020 by mishra coffee_rules 1
motomaverick Posted August 27, 2020 Posted August 27, 2020 Looks like iron friends have finally decided that there is no point of these "investments" anymore.
sandeep Posted August 28, 2020 Posted August 28, 2020 (edited) All the top "jernails" in PakMil mafia have cash overseas - Poor Bajwa has been made the posterboy - time for Indian journalists and "OSINT" to out these uniformed thieves - a simple investment of chump change and some determined sleuthing, to expose the thievery of the PakMil honchos, would be worth 100 Balakots. A Pizza delivery man magically transforms himself into the owner of 133 Pizza restaurants and more - a $50 Million dollar business empire - and claims that he "expanded" by taking bank loans. Entire Pakistani Qaum ko chewtiya bana rahe hai yeh uniform waale goonday. And yet, almost 100% of Pakistanis will readily repeat the brainwash slogan - "Military is the only institution in Pakistan that works, rest are corrupt". Edited August 28, 2020 by sandeep
sandeep Posted August 28, 2020 Posted August 28, 2020 @First class I thought Imran Khan and his party were "against corruption" - why are they defending Bajwa's $50 million dollar empire by calling everybody who raises questions traitors? You said you are a Doctor living in New Jersey right? Do you believe that a person working as a delivery man for Papa John's, can magically become owner of hundreds of franchises and make 50 million dollars by "taking bank loans"?
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