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Muloghonto Grand Master

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5 hours ago, rkt.india said:

Why leftists are called liberals? I don't think people linked to a particular ideology should be called liberals. 

because the term liberal or conservative has different applications in different fields. Tibarn's definition ( which i tend to agree with), is in terms of economics. 

In terms of politics for eg, almost nobody is liberal, because liberal politics = closer to anarchism, while conservative = statism. 

The left runs with the tag liberal, because the left has been historically SOCIALLY liberal. Pretty much the only good thing the commies can claim to've pioneered or at worst, been the leading exponent at, is women's rights. Soviet women had far greater rights, income equality, etc. than western women for far, far longer. In modern west, the left is a champion of the liberal ideologies towards gender, minorities, etc. so they hog the title of liberal. Its only valid for social policies, but as we know the world today is dominated by social identity politics.

 

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Its the wrong issue, the real issue is who gets to decide one is liberal or not? Its those elites or “namdaars” dictate the entire process and narrative. And thats the fight today and Modi is challenging this status quo

 

And in India, its evident anybody who is  anti-Modi is liberal. Take Raj Thackary

Yoda-esque Newbie

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Pre 2014, Most of us thought for sure that we were liberal.

But by the definitions of the "real" liberals, I would be a saffron-kurta-wearing, tilak-dhaari, jay-sri-ram guy.

That is what they see when they think of anybody else,apart from them.

 

I start supporting Namo based on his vision.But now I vote for him based on Vision-Security-Indic pride.

 

 

ravishingravi Grand Master

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2 minutes ago, Yoda-esque said:

Pre 2014, Most of us thought for sure that we were liberal.

But by the definitions of the "real" liberals, I would be a saffron-kurta-wearing, tilak-dhaari, jay-sri-ram guy.

That is what they see when they think of anybody else,apart from them.

 

I start supporting Namo based on his vision.But now I vote for him based on Vision-Security-Indic pride.

 

 

To be honest, when I see the kind of responses which we got after Pulwama, especially after surgical strike and release of pilot, the liberal door was closed for me. I would happily run to RSS, if I had to choose. 

 

However, I have been thinking a lot about these things lately. Something has gone wrong inside us. I don't understand this division. To me all Indians should be a part of my family. But it seems that there is deep segmentation at each level. Social media has reduced everything to reactions, ideology and sides. I am a right winger now by default because I will identified as such. There is no place for nuance/

 

A Swara Bhaskar is now a thought leader. People are willing to go against their own country's interest just because they hate the leader. The journalist and the entire so call liberals are willing to pick and choose incidents they want to outrage over. For the right, this just plays into their hands. You bring polarization and identity politics to the table, but now world over, the right wing have become proficient at playing this game. They can ratchet it up big time. There is no sane voices left. 

coffee_rules Grand Master

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If you say Hindu vote consolidation it is communal and majoritarian, but caste consolidation is caste calculation and gets praised for working it to defeat BJP. Modi/RSS is fascist, guys named after Lenin, Stalin (Marlena) and krazy kanhaiyya are the next hope.

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2 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

If you say Hindu vote consolidation it is communal and majoritarian, but caste consolidation is caste calculation and gets praised for working it to defeat BJP. Modi/RSS is fascist, guys named after Lenin, Stalin (Marlena) and krazy kanhaiyya are the next hope.

The neo-communism of India seems to have nothing to do with Stalin. They have married communism and socialism and democracy. 

 

Communists are indeed much above caste problems as compared to BJP. 

Same with religion, where communists of India don't care about religion.

 

And Kanhaiya is not crazy, but he seems to be the most sensible leader among Rahul Gandhi or Modi or any other. 

 

It would be great achievement for Kanhaiya if he succeeds in attracting the Muslims votes as compared to Tanvir. This means in near future Kanhaiya could show the ability to unite congress + CPI + Dalits + AAP + other minorities + other parties against BJP. 

 

If Kanhaiya wins, then this will boost CPI all over India. One leader could change the fate of a nation. People do believe in Kanhiya. 

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1 hour ago, Alam_dar said:

The neo-communism of India seems to have nothing to do with Stalin. They have married communism and socialism and democracy. 

 

Communists are indeed much above caste problems as compared to BJP. 

Same with religion, where communists of India don't care about religion.

 

And Kanhaiya is not crazy, but he seems to be the most sensible leader among Rahul Gandhi or Modi or any other. 

 

It would be great achievement for Kanhaiya if he succeeds in attracting the Muslims votes as compared to Tanvir. This means in near future Kanhaiya could show the ability to unite congress + CPI + Dalits + AAP + other minorities + other parties against BJP. 

 

If Kanhaiya wins, then this will boost CPI all over India. One leader could change the fate of a nation. People do believe in Kanhiya. 

That's the Pakistani wet dream, right there :phehe:.

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4 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

Last year it was Uddhav Thackeray, who is now back being communal. :phehe:

I used to fear the worst when Burka was calling him a reluctant fundamentalist and so on :nervous:. Good to see that he is now back to being communal. 

coffee_rules Grand Master

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51 minutes ago, Jimmy Cliff said:

That's the Pakistani wet dream, right there :phehe:.

Word around is that he is cutting into dalit and lower caste vote bank and peacfuls vote banks of RJD/INC  and might even get second place, in turn helping Giriraj Singh and BJP. So, I will endorse him to cut the vote bank, as no right minded patriot will vote for CPI and esp the tukde tukde gang.

ravishingravi Grand Master

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I am trying to understand why. This is not just true for India. It is Europe or US, where so called liberals have taken identity as sole basis for dissecting a situation. 

 

I hate to make them as my enemies, although it is getting difficult. But let’s try put ourselves in their shoes and try to understand their view point. I am sure they wouldn’t do it if they didn’t think it was right thing to do. 

 

Like for instance this. I am trying real hard to think what quint is trying achieve. It would be good to get a Muslim perspective also. 

 

 

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nikred Newbie

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I think it is all human nature. People who even have an otherwise sensible stand want to get on top of the roof and shout at others for being wrong and feel good about themselves. Then they take it further and turn into what they are against.
I saw atheists doing that, the feminists, now the liberals.

I thought I am a Atheist but I don't want to put down religious people.
I thought I am a feminist but I don't want to put down my fellow men.
I thought I am a liberal but I don't want to put down the major religion.

End of the day I think I don't need these labels to define who I am. All these labels seem to come with a baggage. I don't need to fight others to justify those labels either.

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