England has gems like Buttler & Bairstow as wicketkeepers whereas we are stuck with 40 year old Dhoni

[nevada]

On 5/15/2019 at 3:42 AM, mani sha said:

Kohli will still say we did well 

 

boo dhoni boo

After a disastrous  World Cup Kohl will say it doesn't  feel like a bad result for us.  We did fantastic in the games we won. 

[maniac]

1 minute ago, sandeep said:

Sorry for being blunt - but this statement is like being foolish and announcing that you are proud of it.  who forced TM to give Rohit Sharma chance to open in ODIs?  Did the team benefit from that?  

 

How exactly did Kedar Jadhav "force TM" to give him opportunity to bowl in ODI cricket?  Did the team benefit from that?  

 

Not all players are like Sachin or Bumrah.   Its in the interest of the team to maximize the production they get from players.  That's their goddamn job.  To sit back and claim that its up to the player to "force TM" is total bakwaas.

I don’t deny Pandya’s spot in LOIs. Best what is available but he is more like a patchwork than an actual missing piece of the puzzle 

[Ankit_sharma03]

37 minutes ago, putrevus said:

When Pandya scores 100s in Odis we will compare their IPL SRs.Russel has higher SR than Pandya does it make him better than Butler? Swinging for fences for 10 or 15 balls is different from scoring an Odi 100 .


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100 at number 7 is rare to come, for that to happen we a top order collapse + a tail that can stick around him has to happen also . 

We shud not hope for his 100 as that wud mean top order collapses . Our lower order cant stick for long .....3 guys who can stick around- bhuvi, ishant, ashwin will not make in XI as bowlers only

[Ankit_sharma03]

Just now, maniac said:

I don’t deny Pandya’s spot in LOIs. Best what is available but he is more like a patchwork than an actual missing piece of the puzzle 

he debut in 2016.....its just been 3 yrs why do u expect so much from him

how many yrs did yuvi n rohit take and dnt forget they both also were helped by batting promotion 

[maniac]

Just now, Ankit_sharma03 said:

he debut in 2016.....its just been 3 yrs why do u expect so much from him

how many yrs did yuvi n rohit take and dnt forget they both also were helped by batting promotion 

Yuvi and Rohit were identified as future batsmen and backed. If they do the same with say someone like Shaw or Aggarwal etc it would make sense.

 

If say dhoni was in his prime hitting form and Jadeja who is a good bowler was even 20% a better bat would we need Pandya?

[zen]

3 minutes ago, maniac said:

 

If say dhoni was in his prime hitting form and Jadeja who is a good bowler was even 20% a better bat would we need Pandya?

Good to know that Dhoni has to be at his very best and Jadeja would need to be 20% above his peak with the bat to even compete with Pandya

 

The answer is in the question itself, Pandya is exceptional! 

[maniac]

2 minutes ago, zen said:

Good to know that Dhoni has to be at his very best and Jadeja would need to be 20% above his peak with the bat to even compete with Pandya

 

The answer is in the question itself, Pandya is exceptional! 

No that doesn’t prove he is exceptional. It proves there is no other alternative :)

[Ankit_sharma03]

2 minutes ago, maniac said:

Yuvi and Rohit were identified as future batsmen and backed. If they do the same with say someone like Shaw or Aggarwal etc it would make sense.

If TM can give pandya a chance in test cricket surely need to back him up the order.....he surely has been backed but they cud have made him bat higher in many occasions. Something that chappell n dravid did very well with dhoni 

2 minutes ago, maniac said:

If say dhoni was in his prime hitting form and Jadeja who is a good bowler was even 20% a better bat would we need Pandya?

yes....coz jadeja doesnt have much hitting ability in 1st place....20% superior in batting means lil less then krunal pandya but hardik is miles ahead as batsman then krunal

Even if dhoni was at his hitting prime so whats bad in having one more hitter. Dhoni hitting prime was gone in the 2nd series he became captain ind vs pak 2007, after that he was more of grafter. In 2011...we had yuvi, dhoni ...yet we played pathan/raina . We have pandya ...does that we mean we cant play pant...ofcourse we can as it gives us more firepower 

[zen]

Just now, maniac said:

No that doesn’t prove he is exceptional. It proves there is no other alternative :)

No alternative because he is exceptional 

[maniac]

Just now, Ankit_sharma03 said:

If TM can give pandya a chance in test cricket surely need to back him up the order.....he surely has been backed but they cud have made him bat higher in many occasions. Something that chappell n dravid did very well with dhoni 

yes....coz jadeja doesnt have much hitting ability in 1st place....20% superior in batting means lil less then krunal pandya but hardik is miles ahead as batsman then krunal

Even if dhoni was at his hitting prime so whats bad in having one more hitter. Dhoni hitting prime was gone in the 2nd series he became captain ind vs pak 2007, after that he was more of grafter. In 2011...we had yuvi, dhoni ...yet we played pathan/raina . We have pandya ...does that we mean we cant play pant...ofcourse we can as it gives us more firepower 

And clearly the Yusuf Pathan experiment failed. In the end what we needed was a good specialist batsman to bail us out like Raina

[Ankit_sharma03]

1 hour ago, maniac said:

And clearly the Yusuf Pathan experiment failed. In the end what we needed was a good specialist batsman to bail us out like Raina

yusuf pathan experiment failed also coz we didnt hve many games in Wc to back him and its not the place to back someone

He did have 100 in SA which is no mean feat and a 50 that help us won the game, he had a 100 against NZ to. Its not that he was complete failure.........his failure was completely on him. Raina quality was also power hitting from ball-1 or else rohit cud have featured in that squad if batsmanship was the case....as he was a better batsman but the diff between him n raina was that raina cud hit from ball 1

 

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[sandeep]

1 hour ago, maniac said:

I don’t deny Pandya’s spot in LOIs. Best what is available but he is more like a patchwork than an actual missing piece of the puzzle 

It's all about relative value. Put him in a team that needs him to bowl 10 overs every ODI and he would struggle. But in our team, with 2 wicket taking wrist spinners, and a quality pace duo, coupled with a power hitting deficit in the batting, he fits the team like a goddamn keystone.  

 

I'm not claiming he will be an automatic success batting higher. But if he had been tried and clicked, It would strengthen the team significantly. 

 

If sandeep patil had the likes of Tendulkar and Dravid around him, he may well have been that generation's Veeru. But that weaker team couldn't afford  to carry his inconsistency. 

[vvvslaxman]

I still think Shankar has good potential to complement Pandya. With his height and bike he can add a few yard of pace.

He gets a natural bounce like Holder: There are many international bowlers either bowl at his pace or less. Holder CDG Berhenoff 

[maniac]

1 hour ago, vvvslaxman said:

I still think Shankar has good potential to complement Pandya. With his height and bike he can add a few yard of pace.

He gets a natural bounce like Holder: There are many international bowlers either bowl at his pace or less. Holder CDG Berhenoff 

Even Dhoni can hit 130 clicks. The point is say Berhenoff and grandhomme can make the ball talk in swinging conditions. Holder too is a very fine seam bowler in helpful conditions and is a bit quicker as well.

 

Shankar has not shown any ability to swing or seam the ball. Fair enough he didn’t get these pitches but he doesn’t have a short ball,slower ball, knuckle ball, Yorker or anything in his armory. All he does is bowl one dimensional good length deliveries in the low 130s. He will get killed on these current English pitches.

[vvvslaxman]

4 minutes ago, maniac said:

Even Dhoni can hit 130 clicks. The point is say Berhenoff and grandhomme can make the ball talk in swinging conditions. Holder too is a very fine seam bowler in helpful conditions and is a bit quicker as well.

 

Shankar has not shown any ability to swing or seam the ball. Fair enough he didn’t get these pitches but he doesn’t have a short ball,slower ball, knuckle ball, Yorker or anything in his armory. All he does is bowl one dimensional good length deliveries in the low 130s. He will get killed on these current English pitches.

He did bowl slow balls Yorkers and bouncer. One good thing is he is not.a spray gun like Umesh. He is fairly stump to stump.  

[putrevus]

Sorry for being blunt - but this statement is like being foolish and announcing that you are proud of it.  who forced TM to give Rohit Sharma chance to open in ODIs?  Did the team benefit from that?  
 
How exactly did Kedar Jadhav "force TM" to give him opportunity to bowl in ODI cricket?  Did the team benefit from that?  
 
Not all players are like Sachin or Bumrah.   Its in the interest of the team to maximize the production they get from players.  That's their goddamn job.  To sit back and claim that its up to the player to "force TM" is total bakwaas.

Kedar is a sure starter when healthy for one reason, his ability to bowl few overs.Kedar has won few matches with bat and did well with ball too.

Pandya has remained a bits and pieces player and it is his fault .

Kohli debuted later than Raina but he was batting in top order where as Raina remained a lower order player.

Butter played in middle order but was made to open by team in IPL because of his ability.

Pandya is still a bits and pieces player whose batting or bowling is not that great. He is therefore a no7 .That is his optimal position. Any higher he will get exposed.






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[putrevus]

Nobody is saying Pandya”s spot should be questioned. Pandya is the best we got but he is no way a World class player. He is more a patchwork for this team. He is needed because India doesn’t not have better middle order.

Hope the all the team needs a cameo here and there from him.


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[putrevus]

100 at number 7 is rare to come, for that to happen we a top order collapse + a tail that can stick around him has to happen also . 
We shud not hope for his 100 as that wud mean top order collapses . Our lower order cant stick for long .....3 guys who can stick around- bhuvi, ishant, ashwin will not make in XI as bowlers only

It is his ability which is limiting him to no7 . As I said earlier not expecting anything other than cameos from him. I don’t think he has ability to score consistently even if he promoted up the order.


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[Ankit_sharma03]

10 hours ago, putrevus said:

It is his ability which is limiting him to no7 . As I said earlier not expecting anything other than cameos from him. I don’t think he has ability to score consistently even if he promoted up the order.


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Its his power hitting ability that makes him bat at 7 coz no one other then him can do that job.......

We cannot say that about anyone unless we try him. When rohit sharma was called maggi who thought he ll avg 50+ for 5 years thats consistency, when dhoni bursted on scene as power hitter no one thought his consistency was going to be so gr8 

[Sachinism]

India has a 2-time world cup winner, greatest finisher the game has been. England have the current flavour of the month