express bowling Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 (edited) 59 minutes ago, Vijy said: There should be a place for Gopal I think: he is better in 2 out of 3 disciplines than Chahal Also, whatever I have seen of Abhishek's bowling is unimpressive to me - I have found Lomror to be a better bet in limited overs matches; I think it's either better to go with a batsman who can bowl (e.g., Hooda, Sundar) or a bowler who bats (e.g., Gopal). At No.7, we need a big hitting batsman who can bowl too. He can share the 5th bowler's workload with Pandya. Who are our options. ? Sundar is not a big hitter yet. Hooda hardly bowls these days and his batting has been disappointing. Gopal isn't a big hitter either. Yes ... Lomror qualifies. I hope Rahul Chahar can grow into one if his batting keeps on improving. He can tonk a few, has batted well in an Unofficial test match recently scring 84 and is a good bowler. Abhishek Sharma is a big hitter and can turn the ball too. Looks like a proper bowling prospect if he works on that. Edited July 3, 2019 by express bowling Mosher 1 Link to comment
prudent_kreeda Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 (edited) 55 minutes ago, Vijy said: There should be a place for Gopal I think: he is better in 2 out of 3 disciplines than Chahal Also, whatever I have seen of Abhishek's bowling is unimpressive to me - I have found Lomror to be a better bet in limited overs matches; I think it's either better to go with a batsman who can bowl (e.g., Hooda, Sundar) or a bowler who bats (e.g., Gopal). Rahul Chaher will beat him hands down in the race . Edited July 3, 2019 by prudent_kreeda Link to comment
Vijy Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 (edited) 16 minutes ago, express bowling said: At No.7, we need a big hitting batsman who can bowl too. He can share the 5th bowler's workload with Pandya. Who are our options. ? Sundar is not a big hitter yet. Hooda hardly bowls these days and his batting has been disappointing. Gopal isn't a big hitter either. Yes ... Lomror qualifies. I hope Rahul Chahar can grow into one if his batting keeps on imoriving. He can tonk a few, has batted well in an Unofficial test match recently scring 84 and is a good bowler. Abhishek Sharma is z big hitter and can turn the ball too. Looks like a proper bowling prospect if he works on that. agree gopal is not a big hitter, but he is a smart player. I reckon that he can score at an SR like that of plunkett, ali and rashid - around 100, but not more. of the two, I currently favor lomror but abhishek is younger and can develop well. sundar is also not a big hitter but he has the potential to hit cleanly if he works on it. what are your thoughts on krunal in that position? not a good enough batsman or bowler alone, but maybe he can be a good utility player. Edited July 3, 2019 by Vijy Link to comment
Vijy Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, prudent_kreeda said: Rahul Chaher will beat him hands down in the race . rahul chahar will be a better bowler I think. as of now though, gopal is a much better batsman. ideally, both of them should be in the mix ahead of chahal Link to comment
prudent_kreeda Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 18 minutes ago, express bowling said: At No.7, we need a big hitting batsman who can bowl too. He can share the 5th bowler's workload with Pandya. Who are our options. ? Sundar is not a big hitter yet. Hooda hardly bowls these days and his batting has been disappointing. Gopal isn't a big hitter either. Yes ... Lomror qualifies. I hope Rahul Chahar can grow into one if his batting keeps on imoriving. He can tonk a few, has batted well in an Unofficial test match recently scring 84 and is a good bowler. Abhishek Sharma is z big hitter and can turn the ball too. Looks like a proper bowling prospect if he works on that. Good thoughts Expressji. Even i run this in my mind many times but can't find any guy right now to fit that role . My take .. - Gopal will never be that big hitting bowler . - Chahar - will become as good as a pure bowler, so his batting is a bonus for India, will be mighty pleased if that happens . - Sundar - Should become a good hitter vs spinners , Lad is strong , has age in his side. Does not seem to have agrressive game vs Pace. - Hooda - This is one guy who can bowl 4-5 over every match and has aggressive intent too. Game vs spin and medioum pace is fine . Against Pace not convinced. But he can make it . - Abhishek Sharma - This lad seems have gift of timing whatever little i have seen , even vs Pace . Do not know current level of progress as he is not in contention anywhere . May be hasn't made rapid strides else Dravid would have included him in some matches . But i would pin my hopes in this guy to make it as i feel a spinning allrounder would be better than our existing medium pace allrounders. - Shivam Dubey - Give him exposure , Guy can make it . - Riyan Parag - Guy looked impressive in last IPL. One to look out for . I am thinking India TM should adopt a workaround solution till we find such a guy. Include Hanuma Vihari/ Vijay Shankar who will share 5th bowling . They may not be big hitters but proper batsmen. One need not be big six hitter but play intelligently and still have a strike rate 130 -140% on most occasions . Just consider - how one should play FIZZ in death overs ? He will bowl mostly slow cutters which goes with the angle with height . If a batsman prepares for those balls and try to place over the infield on the off side on back foot or move little over to off side and play him on onside keeping the ball down , you will get more runs without getting out than blindly attacking. People get out to him trying to hit straight down or pulling trying for six as the ball always makes more height than they think. This is where i think these proper batsmen will be good over Hit & Miss no.7s See the batting strength with that strategy:- Rohit, Dhawan, VK, Pant, Iyer/Gill, Hardik, VS/HV, ( 2 spinners + 2 pacers) . 7 Solid batsmen , 6 bowling options , This will also free up openers to bat more agressively with such depth. express bowling and Jimmy Cliff 2 Link to comment
prudent_kreeda Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 1 minute ago, prudent_kreeda said: Good thoughts Expressji. Even i run this in my mind many times but can't find any guy right now to fit that role . My take .. - Gopal will never be that big hitting bowler . - Chahar - will become as good as a pure bowler, so his batting is a bonus for India, will be mighty pleased if that happens . - Sundar - Should become a good hitter vs spinners , Lad is strong , has age in his side. Does not seem to have agrressive game vs Pace. - Hooda - This is one guy who can bowl 4-5 over every match and has aggressive intent too. Game vs spin and medioum pace is fine . Against Pace not convinced. But he can make it . - Abhishek Sharma - This lad seems have gift of timing whatever little i have seen , even vs Pace . Do not know current level of progress as he is not in contention anywhere . May be hasn't made rapid strides else Dravid would have included him in some matches . But i would pin my hopes in this guy to make it as i feel a spinning allrounder would be better than our existing medium pace allrounders. - Shivam Dubey - Give him exposure , Guy can make it . - Riyan Parag - Guy looked impressive in last IPL. One to look out for . I am thinking India TM should adopt a workaround solution till we find such a guy. Include Hanuma Vihari/ Vijay Shankar who will share 5th bowling . They may not be big hitters but proper batsmen. One need not be big six hitter but play intelligently and still have a strike rate 130 -140% on most occasions . Just consider - how one should play FIZZ in death overs ? He will bowl mostly slow cutters which goes with the angle with height . If a batsman prepares for those balls and try to place over the infield on the off side on back foot or move little over to off side and play him on onside keeping the ball down , you will get more runs without getting out than blindly attacking. People get out to him trying to hit straight down or pulling trying for six as the ball always makes more height than they think. This is where i think these proper batsmen will be good over Hit & Miss no.7s See the batting strength with that strategy:- Rohit, Dhawan, VK, Pant, Iyer/Gill, Hardik, VS/HV, ( 2 spinners + 2 pacers) . 7 Solid batsmen , 6 bowling options , This will also free up openers to bat more agressively with such depth. Have not included KL anywhere . Would consider him only if makes lot of runs in Tests . He should earn his one day spot now . No freebies . Link to comment
kaptaan Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 No one is talking about Nitish Rana. Is he that bad ? Link to comment
prudent_kreeda Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, kaptaan said: No one is talking about Nitish Rana. Is he that bad ? Looked more of Raina type vs Short stuff . Pandya_Power 1 Link to comment
mishra Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 Immediately after wc irrespective of whether we win or loose. 1. Drop Shashtri 2. Make Rohit Captain till nxt world Cup 3. Dhoni to retire or dropped 4. Ask Rohit to make a team to win WC Sgattick10 1 Link to comment
bowl_out Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 Make separate teams for ODI and T20 Sgattick10 1 Link to comment
Sooda Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 1 hour ago, express bowling said: At No.7, we need a big hitting batsman who can bowl too. He can share the 5th bowler's workload with Pandya. Who are our options. ? Sundar is not a big hitter yet. Hooda hardly bowls these days and his batting has been disappointing. Gopal isn't a big hitter either. Yes ... Lomror qualifies. I hope Rahul Chahar can grow into one if his batting keeps on improving. He can tonk a few, has batted well in an Unofficial test match recently scring 84 and is a good bowler. Abhishek Sharma is a big hitter and can turn the ball too. Looks like a proper bowling prospect if he works on that. Krunal is the obvious one... Decent enough at both aspects to do a job at 7. If he is fit, I would pick him for ODI squad touring WI Link to comment
rangeelaraja Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 Prithvi Shaw has to be opener Link to comment
Sooda Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 (edited) Both the openers will be 36 / 37 come next world cup and should be gradually phased out, they will not be the same force they are now. For the immediate future, my full strength team would be- Rohit, Shikar, Virat, Rahul, Hardik, Pant, Krunal, Gopal, KUldeep, BK, Bumrah second XI : Mayank, Shaw, Gill, Vihari, Shankar, Kishan, Chahal, R Chahar, Saini, Khaleel, Shami Edited July 3, 2019 by Sooda Link to comment
MCcricket Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 For me two very talented cricketers for this format have to be brought in Mayank Dhawan Rohit Shaw Gill Kohli KL Rahul Sarfaraz Pandya Shankar Pant Kishan Chahar Gopal Kuldeep Chahal Saini Aaron Shami Bumrah BK Should be the bunch to build a younger and better side which can meet the current demands of the game. Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 4 hours ago, express bowling said: At No.7, we need a big hitting batsman who can bowl too. He can share the 5th bowler's workload with Pandya. Who are our options. ? Sundar is not a big hitter yet. Hooda hardly bowls these days and his batting has been disappointing. Gopal isn't a big hitter either. Yes ... Lomror qualifies. I hope Rahul Chahar can grow into one if his batting keeps on improving. He can tonk a few, has batted well in an Unofficial test match recently scring 84 and is a good bowler. Abhishek Sharma is a big hitter and can turn the ball too. Looks like a proper bowling prospect if he works on that. Among them only abhishek has the quality but i feel he has a lot of quality to be wasted at 7. Hooda another one but he hasnt done much his talent. Lets see how krunal n shivam dube grows as cricketers in next few yrs Link to comment
rkt.india Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 On 7/3/2019 at 2:35 AM, Vijy said: depends on what timescale in the future we are referring to. I reckon that Dhawan and Rohit can play until 2023 WC IF they can maintain their form and remain fit. It's hard, however, to make long-term predictions since some great players may emerge or current players can fade away. With this caveat, this would be XI after Dhawan-Rohit: Pant (wk), Mayank/Shaw, Kohli, Gill, KLR/Iyer/Mayank, Hardik, Hooda/krunal, Gopal, Nagarkoti, Kuldeep, Bumrah This team has 6 bowling options (6 to 11), batting till no. 9 and all of our 6-8 can score at a fairly high SR. IMO, the weak point of the above team is Nos. 5 and 7. For #5, we need a batsman who can score singles, play spin well, and alternate between consolidation & attack depending on the situation. At #7, we need someone who can score fast from the beginning and bowl 5-6 overs consistently. other players to keep in consideration are: mavi, saini, rahul chahar, sundar (as a batting AR), nitish rana (esp if he improves bowling), dubey, gaekwad (backup opener). There is no new ball bowler in your team. Nagarkoti struggles with new ball. Even Bumrah isn't that great with new ball. Link to comment
rkt.india Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 5 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: Among them only abhishek has the quality but i feel he has a lot of quality to be wasted at 7. Hooda another one but he hasnt done much his talent. Lets see how krunal n shivam dube grows as cricketers in next few yrs Shivam dubey is a bits and pieces cricketer. His bowling is not better than Shankar's. Need to groom Washington Sundar. Link to comment
rkt.india Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 9 hours ago, express bowling said: At No.7, we need a big hitting batsman who can bowl too. He can share the 5th bowler's workload with Pandya. Who are our options. ? Sundar is not a big hitter yet. Hooda hardly bowls these days and his batting has been disappointing. Gopal isn't a big hitter either. Yes ... Lomror qualifies. I hope Rahul Chahar can grow into one if his batting keeps on improving. He can tonk a few, has batted well in an Unofficial test match recently scring 84 and is a good bowler. Abhishek Sharma is a big hitter and can turn the ball too. Looks like a proper bowling prospect if he works on that. Nitish Rana Link to comment
express bowling Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 34 minutes ago, rkt.india said: Nitish Rana I would love a proper spinning all-rounder. Reason .... it allows us to play 3 frontline pacers + 2 spinners + Pandya if the match conditions so demand. Link to comment
SecondSlip Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 (edited) Pant, Gill, Saini & Gopal should get consistent chances in the senior team and get full backing! Dhoni, Jadhav & Karthik should never get selected again after the World Cup. All 3 should retire! Edited July 4, 2019 by SecondSlip Link to comment
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