Srinath vs Bumrah

[coffee_rules]

Bumrah for my money, genuine spearhead, pace, bounce, deceit, killer yorker, dream to watch.

Srinath first genuine pace bowler for India, who intimidated with pace. Mentally weak, mainly because from 1989 to 1994, he had to play second fiddle to Kapil/Manoj and only after 94 he regularly bowled with the new ball. He was even dropped in SA for a spinner.94-96 was his peak, but he maintained his pace till 2003. 

[Nikhil_cric]

On 7/7/2019 at 12:42 PM, Rightarmfast said:

I avoided this thread earlier, because in my thoughts, the comparison cannot be made with the stats and performances. In a nutshell, I would say Bumrah exists today, because of the Srinath of the 90's! Srinath was the pioneer ( almost, if we disregard Amar Singh and Nissar of the 40's ) of genuine fast bowling in India. 

 

Without going into the nitty gritties of stats ( of which @express bowling has already done a fantastic analysis ), lets understand where Srinath came from. 

The 90's Indian teams used to be mental midgets. Come pressure, and you would expect the Indians to crumble. The mindset of the whole Indian nation was not agressive either. Srinath grew up watching this, that too from the quaint, silent city of Mysore. Before long he made his debut, he had all kinds of resistance from the big boss, Kapil Dev who made sure Srinath never grew as long as Dev was in the team. The result was Srinath didnt play for almost 2 yrs, 2 best yrs of his career where he could have learnt so much. 

Our coaches had a different mindset too. Compromise pace for line and length. The kind of sports training given during 90's and the kind of budget allotment for players, especially fast bowlers was laughable. 

Despite all these challenges, Srinath bowled fast. Express fast. Never got the recognition! 

But he built the platform for the next gen of bowlers. Ajit Agarkar, Nehra, Zak they all stressed on pace.

 

Bumrah is close to the final product, from the laboratory where Srinath was made.  Srinath was the prototype, Bumrah is almost the final product. 

The contribution of neither could be more or less. They complement each other. Whenever I see Bumrah bowling fast, scaring batsmen, I see Srinath in him. The Srinath who could have been, with better support.

Better support, better workload management, better strength and conditioning coaches with understanding of biomechanics etc.  Between 96-99, Srinath and Prasad had, by far, the highest workload of international opening bowlers across formats. The 2W's were behind them by a bit and the Likes of mcgrath, Donald, Walsh, Amby, Gough came much later. 

[prudent_kreeda]

 To become a Great bowler apart from pace ,

 - you need to work out batsmen's weakness and plan & execute dismissals . 

 - Adapt quickly to different conditions , different batsmen

 -  have many wicket taking options and batsmen cannot be complacent . 

In this regard Bhumra is far ahead in short career than Srinath . Bhumra  gives an impression of 'Brainy'

while Srinath took lot more time to develop and become a more rounded pace bowler.

We do not know how long  bhumra's career last but potentially he is in a higher league .

Others may have more wickets but impact of Brainy bowlers like Marshall is more than say Walsh , or Andy.

Bhumrah has some qualities of Marshall .

 

 

[MechEng]

Srinath is the one who after bowling a bouncer says to the batsman - "Sorry sir, please attendance mark lijiye, next time se nahi hoga"

Even Venky had more jazbaat despite his pace being like Bajaj 3 wheeler auto rickshaw.

[coffee_rules]

Amazing delivery

 

 

[coffee_rules]

more gems from 2003 WC. Kaif was our Jadeja in the 2003 team, the first catch is amazing. Love the action, tall, smooth nd deadly. Very much comparable to Bumrah. He had slowed down by then.

 

 

 

 

[cricketfan28]

Bumrah

[zen]

Srinath in tests from 1995 to 2001:

 

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Primary team India  or Pakistan  or Sri Lanka

Opposition team Australia  or England  or India  or New Zealand  or Pakistan  or South Africa  or Sri Lanka  or West Indies

Start of match date between 1 Jan 1995 and 1 Jan 2002

Type of bowler (by style) pace bowler

Qualifications wickets taken greater than or equal to 100

Ordered by bowling average (ascending)

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Player	Span	Mat	Inns	Overs	Mdns	Runs	Wkts	BBI	BBM	Ave	Econ	SR	5	10
Wasim Akram (PAK)	1995-2001	37	64	1274.1	295	3353	134	6/61	11/110	25.02	2.63	57.0	5	1
J Srinath (INDIA)	1995-2001	36	64	1345.4	312	4139	148	8/86	13/132	27.96	3.07	54.5	9	1
WPUJC Vaas (SL)	1995-2001	43	72	1552.2	354	4102	145	7/71	14/191	28.28	2.64	64.2	7	2
Waqar Younis (PAK)	1995-2001	34	61	1035.4	197	3328	109	6/78	10/133	30.53	3.21	57.0	1	1

 

[cricketfan28]

38 minutes ago, zen said:

Srinath in tests from 1995 to 2001:

 

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Primary team India  or Pakistan  or Sri Lanka

Opposition team Australia  or England  or India  or New Zealand  or Pakistan  or South Africa  or Sri Lanka  or West Indies

Start of match date between 1 Jan 1995 and 1 Jan 2002

Type of bowler (by style) pace bowler

Qualifications wickets taken greater than or equal to 100

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Player	Span	Mat	Inns	Overs	Mdns	Runs	Wkts	BBI	BBM	Ave	Econ	SR	5	10
Wasim Akram (PAK)	1995-2001	37	64	1274.1	295	3353	134	6/61	11/110	25.02	2.63	57.0	5	1
J Srinath (INDIA)	1995-2001	36	64	1345.4	312	4139	148	8/86	13/132	27.96	3.07	54.5	9	1
WPUJC Vaas (SL)	1995-2001	43	72	1552.2	354	4102	145	7/71	14/191	28.28	2.64	64.2	7	2
Waqar Younis (PAK)	1995-2001	34	61	1035.4	197	3328	109	6/78	10/133	30.53	3.21	57.0	1	1

 

Wow! never thought Srinath was this good. Query looks decent. What happens when we remove home country as venue?

[zen]

3 hours ago, cricketfan28 said:

Wow! never thought Srinath was this good. Query looks decent. What happens when we remove home country as venue?

Always a good idea to do some reading on ex-cricketers. Srinath was an interesting bowler  ....  Away - his performance in the period wrt SR, Inng/5-er, etc. is the best relative to those bowlers on the list .... if you are interested in numbers, you could try to run the query using the info above  

Edited August 31, 2020 by zen

[zen]

As for the 2003 WC, I liked the trio of Srinath-Zak-Nehra  . .... apart from the final, they were solid 

[coffee_rules]

2 hours ago, cricketfan28 said:

Wow! never thought Srinath was this good. Query looks decent. What happens when we remove home country as venue?

Can’t do in the original query as it is for all players so can’t choose for away only. Did it for Srinath only

filtered 23 1031.2 3110 95 6/76 8/104 32.73 3.01 65.1 5 0

Edited August 31, 2020 by coffee_rules

[zen]

1 hour ago, coffee_rules said:

Can’t do in the original query as it is for all players so can’t choose for away only. Did it for Srinath only

filtered 23 1031.2 3110 95 6/76 8/104 32.73 3.01 65.1 5 0

That does not look right! Did you check the period and the teams to have it per what is being discussed? 

 

Matches (should be 14),  Avg, & SR are off 

Edited August 31, 2020 by zen

[coffee_rules]

1 hour ago, zen said:

That does not look right! Did you check the period and the teams to have it per what is being discussed? 

 

Matches (should be 14),  Avg, & SR are off 

Yes, had typed wrong dates 1995-01-01 to 2002-01-01

[Gollum]

 

Thorough gentleman and thinking person our Srinath. 

Edited September 1, 2020 by Gollum

[maniac]

5 hours ago, zen said:

As for the 2003 WC, I liked the trio of Srinath-Zak-Nehra  . .... apart from the final, they were solid 

Also we had Agarkar on the bench another 140k bowler. It probably was a faster pace attack then probably the last series India played when we had a pace attack of Thakur,Chahar,Dube and Bhuvi.

Edited September 1, 2020 by maniac

[zen]

2 minutes ago, maniac said:

Also we had Agarkar on the bench another 140k bowler. It probably was a faster pace attack then probably the last series India played when we had a pace attack of Thakur,Chahar,Dube and Bhuvi.

If not for Aus, we could have won the WC! .... If I recall there was going to be a DL scenario with Sehwag batting and I thought only if we could make it (probably lost more wkt) but that did not happen