coffee_rules Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 Bumrah for my money, genuine spearhead, pace, bounce, deceit, killer yorker, dream to watch. Srinath first genuine pace bowler for India, who intimidated with pace. Mentally weak, mainly because from 1989 to 1994, he had to play second fiddle to Kapil/Manoj and only after 94 he regularly bowled with the new ball. He was even dropped in SA for a spinner.94-96 was his peak, but he maintained his pace till 2003. Link to comment
Nikhil_cric Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 On 7/7/2019 at 12:42 PM, Rightarmfast said: I avoided this thread earlier, because in my thoughts, the comparison cannot be made with the stats and performances. In a nutshell, I would say Bumrah exists today, because of the Srinath of the 90's! Srinath was the pioneer ( almost, if we disregard Amar Singh and Nissar of the 40's ) of genuine fast bowling in India. Without going into the nitty gritties of stats ( of which @express bowling has already done a fantastic analysis ), lets understand where Srinath came from. The 90's Indian teams used to be mental midgets. Come pressure, and you would expect the Indians to crumble. The mindset of the whole Indian nation was not agressive either. Srinath grew up watching this, that too from the quaint, silent city of Mysore. Before long he made his debut, he had all kinds of resistance from the big boss, Kapil Dev who made sure Srinath never grew as long as Dev was in the team. The result was Srinath didnt play for almost 2 yrs, 2 best yrs of his career where he could have learnt so much. Our coaches had a different mindset too. Compromise pace for line and length. The kind of sports training given during 90's and the kind of budget allotment for players, especially fast bowlers was laughable. Despite all these challenges, Srinath bowled fast. Express fast. Never got the recognition! But he built the platform for the next gen of bowlers. Ajit Agarkar, Nehra, Zak they all stressed on pace. Bumrah is close to the final product, from the laboratory where Srinath was made. Srinath was the prototype, Bumrah is almost the final product. The contribution of neither could be more or less. They complement each other. Whenever I see Bumrah bowling fast, scaring batsmen, I see Srinath in him. The Srinath who could have been, with better support. Better support, better workload management, better strength and conditioning coaches with understanding of biomechanics etc. Between 96-99, Srinath and Prasad had, by far, the highest workload of international opening bowlers across formats. The 2W's were behind them by a bit and the Likes of mcgrath, Donald, Walsh, Amby, Gough came much later. Rightarmfast 1 Link to comment
prudent_kreeda Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 To become a Great bowler apart from pace , - you need to work out batsmen's weakness and plan & execute dismissals . - Adapt quickly to different conditions , different batsmen - have many wicket taking options and batsmen cannot be complacent . In this regard Bhumra is far ahead in short career than Srinath . Bhumra gives an impression of 'Brainy' while Srinath took lot more time to develop and become a more rounded pace bowler. We do not know how long bhumra's career last but potentially he is in a higher league . Others may have more wickets but impact of Brainy bowlers like Marshall is more than say Walsh , or Andy. Bhumrah has some qualities of Marshall . Link to comment
MechEng Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 Srinath is the one who after bowling a bouncer says to the batsman - "Sorry sir, please attendance mark lijiye, next time se nahi hoga" Even Venky had more jazbaat despite his pace being like Bajaj 3 wheeler auto rickshaw. raki05 1 Link to comment
coffee_rules Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 Amazing delivery rkt.india, Ankit_sharma03 and Gollum 1 2 Link to comment
coffee_rules Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 more gems from 2003 WC. Kaif was our Jadeja in the 2003 team, the first catch is amazing. Love the action, tall, smooth nd deadly. Very much comparable to Bumrah. He had slowed down by then. Link to comment
zen Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 Srinath in tests from 1995 to 2001: View overall figures [change view] Primary team India or Pakistan or Sri Lanka Opposition team Australia or England or India or New Zealand or Pakistan or South Africa or Sri Lanka or West Indies Start of match date between 1 Jan 1995 and 1 Jan 2002 Type of bowler (by style) pace bowler Qualifications wickets taken greater than or equal to 100 Ordered by bowling average (ascending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 4 of 4 First Previous Next Last Return to query menuCleared query menu Overall figures Player Span Mat Inns Overs Mdns Runs Wkts BBI BBM Ave Econ SR 5 10 Wasim Akram (PAK) 1995-2001 37 64 1274.1 295 3353 134 6/61 11/110 25.02 2.63 57.0 5 1 J Srinath (INDIA) 1995-2001 36 64 1345.4 312 4139 148 8/86 13/132 27.96 3.07 54.5 9 1 WPUJC Vaas (SL) 1995-2001 43 72 1552.2 354 4102 145 7/71 14/191 28.28 2.64 64.2 7 2 Waqar Younis (PAK) 1995-2001 34 61 1035.4 197 3328 109 6/78 10/133 30.53 3.21 57.0 1 1 Link to comment
cricketfan28 Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 38 minutes ago, zen said: Srinath in tests from 1995 to 2001: View overall figures [change view] Primary team India or Pakistan or Sri Lanka Opposition team Australia or England or India or New Zealand or Pakistan or South Africa or Sri Lanka or West Indies Start of match date between 1 Jan 1995 and 1 Jan 2002 Type of bowler (by style) pace bowler Qualifications wickets taken greater than or equal to 100 Ordered by bowling average (ascending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 4 of 4 First Previous Next Last Return to query menuCleared query menu Overall figures Player Span Mat Inns Overs Mdns Runs Wkts BBI BBM Ave Econ SR 5 10 Wasim Akram (PAK) 1995-2001 37 64 1274.1 295 3353 134 6/61 11/110 25.02 2.63 57.0 5 1 J Srinath (INDIA) 1995-2001 36 64 1345.4 312 4139 148 8/86 13/132 27.96 3.07 54.5 9 1 WPUJC Vaas (SL) 1995-2001 43 72 1552.2 354 4102 145 7/71 14/191 28.28 2.64 64.2 7 2 Waqar Younis (PAK) 1995-2001 34 61 1035.4 197 3328 109 6/78 10/133 30.53 3.21 57.0 1 1 Wow! never thought Srinath was this good. Query looks decent. What happens when we remove home country as venue? Link to comment
zen Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, cricketfan28 said: Wow! never thought Srinath was this good. Query looks decent. What happens when we remove home country as venue? Always a good idea to do some reading on ex-cricketers. Srinath was an interesting bowler .... Away - his performance in the period wrt SR, Inng/5-er, etc. is the best relative to those bowlers on the list .... if you are interested in numbers, you could try to run the query using the info above Edited August 31, 2020 by zen Link to comment
zen Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 As for the 2003 WC, I liked the trio of Srinath-Zak-Nehra . .... apart from the final, they were solid Link to comment
coffee_rules Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, cricketfan28 said: Wow! never thought Srinath was this good. Query looks decent. What happens when we remove home country as venue? Can’t do in the original query as it is for all players so can’t choose for away only. Did it for Srinath only filtered 23 1031.2 3110 95 6/76 8/104 32.73 3.01 65.1 5 0 Edited August 31, 2020 by coffee_rules Link to comment
zen Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, coffee_rules said: Can’t do in the original query as it is for all players so can’t choose for away only. Did it for Srinath only filtered 23 1031.2 3110 95 6/76 8/104 32.73 3.01 65.1 5 0 That does not look right! Did you check the period and the teams to have it per what is being discussed? Matches (should be 14), Avg, & SR are off Edited August 31, 2020 by zen Link to comment
coffee_rules Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 1 hour ago, zen said: That does not look right! Did you check the period and the teams to have it per what is being discussed? Matches (should be 14), Avg, & SR are off Yes, had typed wrong dates 1995-01-01 to 2002-01-01 Link to comment
Gollum Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 (edited) Thorough gentleman and thinking person our Srinath. Edited September 1, 2020 by Gollum Mosher and Nikola 1 1 Link to comment
maniac Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, zen said: As for the 2003 WC, I liked the trio of Srinath-Zak-Nehra . .... apart from the final, they were solid Also we had Agarkar on the bench another 140k bowler. It probably was a faster pace attack then probably the last series India played when we had a pace attack of Thakur,Chahar,Dube and Bhuvi. Edited September 1, 2020 by maniac Link to comment
zen Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 2 minutes ago, maniac said: Also we had Agarkar on the bench another 140k bowler. It probably was a faster pace attack then probably the last series India played when we had a pace attack of Thakur,Chahar,Dube and Bhuvi. If not for Aus, we could have won the WC! .... If I recall there was going to be a DL scenario with Sehwag batting and I thought only if we could make it (probably lost more wkt) but that did not happen Link to comment
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