The Wicketless Trundler & The Wicketless Darter

[vvvslaxman]

When you are under the pump it is easier to survive against a seamer during middle period than a spinner. One bad mistake of charging down the wicket or one bad forced shot or one mistake of not picking the ball from hand can cost you a wicket. Right arm seamer you can camp on the backfoot and push for singles all day. Once you get used to them you can line up against them.  Bumrah is an exception. Every other bowler including Shami is perfectly hittable. Knuckle balls, slow balls are not exactly your best bet in every place. On true pitches these balls will travel.

[mishra]

Good job op. You trolled all the experts.

 

[New guy]

On 7/6/2019 at 11:58 PM, SecondSlip said:

Looks like you learnt absolutely nothing from the CT Final when we played defensive bowlers and lost big time to our rivals Pakistan. 

Bumrah sucked that entire match, what lesson did you learn? Went for 68 runs in 9 overs with 0 wickets compared to Bhuvi's 1 for 44. One match can be brought up to spout hate against any player. Using your logic Bumrah should be dropped

Edited July 8, 2019 by New guy

[New guy]

21 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

India played 1 spinner against BD. They almost chased us down until Bumrah nailed a couple of yorkers.

That was Shami letting the Bangla batsman hit out while Bhuvi went for 5 runs in the next over

[Amit228]

Tomorrow's match will be played in overcast conditions.. with chances of rain.. so it will be frivolous to play two spinners together..  those who are carrying a pre conceived notion that new Zealand are dreadful against spinners needs to open their eyes nd see the light.. new Zealand had issues with spin but they have apparently worked hard on it.. nz batsmen specially kane nd ross were at utmost ease against kulcha in warm up match..  so it's no brainer going in with 4 seamers nd jadeja given overcast conditions.. nd pitches in England haven't been assisting spin .. one can look into the top wickets takes charts in wc2019 to corroborate the same. Even India's top wickets takers are seamers nd kulcha aren't setting stage on fire.. nd have potentially lost one game against England by giving a humongous 160 in their respective 20 overs..  the below is the score card of warmup match against nz.. nz batsmen didn't find it onerous to deal with kulcha either..

[vvvslaxman]

^ From what i see Bhuvi is the most expensive bowler there. Bumrah is Bumrah.  Not everybody is Bumrah. Second most expensive bowler is another seamer which is Pandya.

[Amit228]

1 minute ago, vvvslaxman said:

^ From what i see Bhuvi is the most expensive bowler there. Bumrah is Bumrah.  Not everybody is Bumrah. Second most expensive bowler is another seamer which is Pandya.

Conditions have their own say.. bhuvi utility rises in favourable conditions nd in death bowling... Where in England game we had witnessed godawful display of death bowling by shami.. heck even bangers tailenders were giving hack of a phainty to shami .. if not for bumrah we could have potentially lost that game.. kulcha nd shami hv lost india one game on their own i.e against England.. with conditions not assisting spin bowling i can see the trend continuing provided the two are playing together..

[Amit228]

6 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

^ From what i see Bhuvi is the most expensive bowler there. Bumrah is Bumrah.  Not everybody is Bumrah. Second most expensive bowler is another seamer which is Pandya.

English pitches aren't assisting spin.. that has rendered kulcha pretty much futile... nd issue with kulcha is they aren't varying their pace.. in England game also when they were getting tonked they didn't had a plan B.. they could have tried to vary the pace.. with no spin nd pitch getting slower.. English batsmen adjusted commendably nd tonked innocuous 75 kmph pies dished by kulcha.. they kept on flighting on nd English batsmen kept on depositing over stand.. if u see in England only those spinners who have been varying their pace are successful to some extent.. 

[rkt.india]

1 hour ago, New guy said:

That was Shami letting the Bangla batsman hit out while Bhuvi went for 5 runs in the next over

 

1 hour ago, vvvslaxman said:

India played 1 spinner against BD. They almost chased us down until Bumrah nailed a couple of yorkers.

We would have lost that game if we had played two spinners there. Pacers picked 9 wickets you wouldn't look at that. Spinners are barely picking 1 wicket per match.

[vvvslaxman]

2 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

 

We would have lost that game if we had played two spinners there. Pacers picked 9 wickets you wouldn't look at that. Spinners are barely picking 1 wicket per match.

you are conveninently putting Bumrah in the same bracket as other pacers lol Bumrah won. Not pacers. Period.

[Amit228]

1 minute ago, rkt.india said:

 

We would have lost that game if we had played two spinners there. Pacers picked 9 wickets you wouldn't look at that. Spinners are barely picking 1 wicket per match.

Lolx i had switched off the tv in anticipation of loss.. it was flabbergasting to see shami getting phainty by a no name saifuddin.. shami is horrendous in death over.. has lost one game against England nd potentially could have lost one more against bangers.. with no one supporting bumrah at death overs opposition batsmen can line up shami any given day.

[rkt.india]

5 hours ago, Amit228 said:

Lolx i had switched off the tv in anticipation of loss.. it was flabbergasting to see shami getting phainty by a no name saifuddin.. shami is horrendous in death over.. has lost one game against England nd potentially could have lost one more against bangers.. with no one supporting bumrah at death overs opposition batsmen can line up shami any given day.

At no point, we were losing the game.

[rkt.india]

6 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

you are conveninently putting Bumrah in the same bracket as other pacers lol Bumrah won. Not pacers. Period.

Bumrah has 17 wickets in 8 games, Shami has 14 in 4. BK has 7 in 4. All have done better than spinners. Kulcha combined average 45. pacers less than 25.

[Amit228]

22 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

At no point, we were losing the game.

Ahhaann.. with 2 overs to go nd with 28 runs remaining.. with the way saifuddin was batting all he would have needed was rubel to survive the last two balls of bumrah.. with shami's horrendous death bowling it could have gone either way..

[Vilander]

 

 

NEGATIVE THREAD 4

[nevada]

Isn't it scary that other than Bumrah, all our bowlers can go for plenty and sink us with their inept bowling? Shami has been the most disappointing. After 2 magnificent bowling displays, he went the Jekyll-Hyde way. But between him and Bhuvi, I would still pick him. 

[rkt.india]

2 hours ago, Amit228 said:

Ahhaann.. with 2 overs to go nd with 28 runs remaining.. with the way saifuddin was batting all he would have needed was rubel to survive the last two balls of bumrah.. with shami's horrendous death bowling it could have gone either way..

28 in 2 overs isn't easy. Saifuddin isn't Russell.

[vvvslaxman]

10 hours ago, rkt.india said:

Bumrah has 17 wickets in 8 games, Shami has 14 in 4. BK has 7 in 4. All have done better than spinners. Kulcha combined average 45. pacers less than 25.

Shami picked that hatrick in 50th over. Reason the game even went to 50th over was because of our spinners choking them in the middle overs. Indian spinners did a good choking job in almost all the matches except one. They didn't take many risks against them. Australia struggled with their bowling due to lack of variety. Pakistan was clearly running away with the game until Hafeez made a cardinal mistake of holing Finch out in the deep. Australia had 4 pacers.  The reason was Australian attack was one-dimensional.  Maxwell was the lone spinner. Same Pakistan team came unstuck against us because they couldn't target our spinners with liberty. 

Against England first break through was provided by Kuldeep not pacers. 

[vvvslaxman]

7 hours ago, rkt.india said:

28 in 2 overs isn't easy. Saifuddin isn't Russell.

IN hindsight you can say that. But the way shami was dishing out  full tosses they needed a couple of edges here and there. Even Rubel was a capable slogger. Without Bumrah things could have gone wrong atleast in a couple of matches. Others are just piggybacking on Bumrah in the death overs.

[Nikola]

Both plays in india's most important match of the worldcup. Let's see if this decision by kohli proves right or wrong.