Who will be your 4, 5, 6 & 7 moving forward?

[vayuu1]

One guy we forget about is rituraj gaikwad that guy has a very good list A record a very good strike rate can took it big 

[Vijy]

Just now, vayuu1 said:

One guy we forget about is rituraj gaikwad that guy has a very good list A record a very good strike rate can took it big 

too many openers around. current opening pair of dhawan-rohit with backups in KLR, mayank and shaw. only possibility is for gaekwad to bat in middle order but he has zero experience there. in list A and ODIs, opening is the easiest. in comparison, batting at 4-6 is much harder.

[Lone Wolf]

9 minutes ago, Sooda said:

Both Rana and Surya Kumar Yadav should be in T20I squad from now on

For T20Is it is a no brainer.  But this selection Committee is joke..  They have only wasted IPL talents so far

[figo6762]

based on Vijay Hazare and looking only group a and group b

 

4. Iyer

5. Pant

6. Rana

7. Pandu 

 

for india a

1. Kaushal 

2. Bist

3. Indrajit 

4. Chopra

5. Yaspal singh

 

no ipl wonder boys like surya yadav. Need to find replacement for Pandu 

[prasen82]

On 7/14/2019 at 3:23 AM, Vijy said:

too many openers around. current opening pair of dhawan-rohit with backups in KLR, mayank and shaw. only possibility is for gaekwad to bat in middle order but he has zero experience there. in list A and ODIs, opening is the easiest. in comparison, batting at 4-6 is much harder.

top scored in second WI a team match

[jf1gp_1]

Before putting name you need to know what you expect from 4 and 5. We need guys with solid defence who can rotate strike and maintain run a ball. Batsman who can walking at 3/2 or 145/2

[rkt.india]

46 minutes ago, jf1gp_1 said:

Before putting name you need to know what you expect from 4 and 5. We need guys with solid defence who can rotate strike and maintain run a ball. Batsman who can walking at 3/2 or 145/2

Also who can change gears when required because most often on flat pitches they will only get to bat when you need quick runs as our top 3 have been so good on flatter tracks that 4-5 hardly get to bat.  Other option is promoting #6 and #7 up when you need quick runs otherwise sending usual 4-5 and when you need the stability.  our too good top 3 have also hindered the progress of our 4 and 5.

[Tendulkar1996]

One question no one answered - who is the 6th bowler in our top 6?

Without answering that we can't  answer thread's question.

Other option is jadeja at 7 and pandya 6,but thats risky battingwise.

Edited July 16, 2019 by Tendulkar1996

[Ankit_sharma03]

4 hours ago, jf1gp_1 said:

Before putting name you need to know what you expect from 4 and 5. We need guys with solid defence who can rotate strike and maintain run a ball. Batsman who can walking at 3/2 or 145/2

For no. 4 mostly a player who can win u games from 10/2 ........many of these old experts think u need rahane, rayudu kind of player in tht situation which is BS......U need someone Like yuvraj, ABDV, Lara kind who can if needed to see off bit of overs and then still has the ability to take team to 300......for rahul is the only guy i feel as of now . Gill as of with his aggresive game is not at that level but as he ll play he ll get better. Also who is a good player of Spin n Pace both. 

 

For no.5 someone like Hussey or dhoni who can play in any situation

 

At 145/2 anyways we can always use pant n pandya but we need a player who can win u from 3/2 

[TNAmarkFromIndia]

1 hour ago, Tendulkar1996 said:

One question no one answered - who is the 6th bowler in our top 6?

Screw 6 bowlers. If you 6 proper batsmen, 4 proper bowlers and 1 all-rounder, everyone knows their role and what is expected of them. 

[Tendulkar1996]

20 minutes ago, TNAmarkFromIndia said:

Screw 6 bowlers. If you 6 proper batsmen, 4 proper bowlers and 1 all-rounder, everyone knows their role and what is expected of them. 

Too much pressure on pandya,if he gets injured you are *ed midgame.

[G_B_]

India need to be a bit more strategic.

 

(a) The T20 WC is in Australia. We dont play enough T20s in the international arena. Its next year in October/November so no IPL innings for a while.

 

(b) The WC in 2023 is in India. Ie while pitches will be controlled by ICC there will not be overcast conditions to aid swing that much. So you need a 6th bowler who is a reasonable spinner who can bowl 4-5 overs of spin in the middle overs.

 

So we ideally need somebody who fits these parameters. Can maintain an RR of 7-8 in the middle orders on average in Australia and is at home in Indian conditions.

 

I personally think we dont really need to search for long in Indian conditions. If likes of Shaw can basically cement opening position likes of Rahul can move to 4. As we have Pandya the fifth bowler. 

 

Rohit

Dhawan for T20 WC (somebody like Shaw can also be tried)

Kohli

Rahul (for now) in T20/ODI

Pant WC

A batsman who can hit out and consolidate

Pandya

Spinner 1

Spinner 2

Bumrah

Seamer 2

 

For me Rohit, Kohli, Pandya Bumrah and Pant are fixed. Rest all interchangeable on form or conditions.

 

Manish Pandey has a good record in Aus. Might be wise to try him at 5/6 for the T20 WC. 

[prudent_kreeda]

On 7/14/2019 at 1:53 PM, Vijy said:

too many openers around. current opening pair of dhawan-rohit with backups in KLR, mayank and shaw. only possibility is for gaekwad to bat in middle order but he has zero experience there. in list A and ODIs, opening is the easiest. in comparison, batting at 4-6 is much harder.

This guy plays spin very well If opener spot not vacant, should be tried @4 or 5

[vvvslaxman]

India needs 4 players who have the ability to overcome collapses and take them to dominating position. Pandya should ideally be a no.8 batsman and Pant a no.7 batsman. Sadly they played at no.4 and no.5. The reason is our team is largely one-dimensional. Bowlers can't bat (except Pandya) Batsmen can't bowl. If you look at Ashwin he saved us quiet a few test matches with bat. Imagine Chahal playing in place of Ashwin in those tests with same wicket taking skills. We might have even lost those tests against Windies. This is something we cannot address as it is upto individual to develop their skills in other areas. This is why guys like Parag, Nitish Rana should be in the mix as both can bowl a bit.

[rkt.india]

5 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

For no. 4 mostly a player who can win u games from 10/2 ........many of these old experts think u need rahane, rayudu kind of player in tht situation which is BS......U need someone Like yuvraj, ABDV, Lara kind who can if needed to see off bit of overs and then still has the ability to take team to 300......for rahul is the only guy i feel as of now . Gill as of with his aggresive game is not at that level but as he ll play he ll get better. Also who is a good player of Spin n Pace both. 

 

For no.5 someone like Hussey or dhoni who can play in any situation

 

At 145/2 anyways we can always use pant n pandya but we need a player who can win u from 3/2 

Need Kohli to move down to 4. Need some experience in the middle. Irrespective of whoever plays at 4 will lacks requisite experience.

Edited July 16, 2019 by rkt.india

[ViruDilSeKhelo]

On 7/13/2019 at 5:06 AM, SecondSlip said:

My Middle Order: 

 

Shubman Gill at #4 

Shreyas Iyer at #5 

Rishabh Pant (WK) at #6 

Hardik Pandya at #7 

 

What will be your middle order fellow ICFers? 

Very good. But I think we should try grooming Pant as an ODI opener especially with Dhawan not playing the next world cup most likely. I'd like to see Manish Pandey in the middle order given a run. 

[vvvslaxman]

Indian batting line up is a bit like RCB line up. No surprise both are led by Kohli. Just get rid of Kohli as captain and install Rohit as captain Watch how India will suddenly become  a middle order strong line up. I

[Cricketics]

4 hours ago, G_B_ said:

 

Manish Pandey has a good record in Aus. Might be wise to try him at 5/6 for the T20 WC. 

Manish Pandey is very slow for t20. He has done better in 50 overs. If we ever bring back Pandey, then it must be fore 50 overs and not for t20. That is a wrong format for him, unless he goes crazy in IPL and score tons of runs, otherwise he is better suited for 50 overs than t20. 

[Ankit_sharma03]

1 hour ago, rkt.india said:

Need Kohli to move down to 4. Need some experience in the middle. Irrespective of whoever plays at 4 will lacks requisite experience.

Kohli became kohli batting at 3......need someone like rahul or pant who has the extra gear that kohli doesnt 

Kohli wont be as effective at 4 as he is at 3.........neither he enjoys it . I highly doubt No one can be as good as kohli at 3.....

4 yrs is their to give the experience ......2-3 players have to decided upon and given a very long run. They wont get better if they are not allowed to fail 

[Ankit_sharma03]

58 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Indian batting line up is a bit like RCB line up. No surprise both are led by Kohli. Just get rid of Kohli as captain and install Rohit as captain Watch how India will suddenly become  a middle order strong line up. I

Coz new players are not given specific roles and are not backed. Players shud be backed when they fail as well.....how else will tehy grow . RCB n Indian team under kohli has 2 similar problem- patience with youngsters, team build only around few players .