Prithvi shaw suspended for doping violation

[R!TTER]

16 hours ago, rtmohanlal said:

there is some thing called man management.Prithvi is still a teenager and hence not that mature. A very good professional sports body  should ensure that  its' players are followed so closely and guided in the right way in such adverse situations.

Don't buy that argument, we've used the same for Amir & so cannot take our foot back here.

 

Also teenager =! naive or stupid - that cannot & should never be an argument for anything!

[Bigg Brother]

Terbutaline is used in cough syrup as well as in Asthma who have breathing difficulties and acts as bronchodilator delivering more oxygen and thats why it is supposed to enhance your aerobic performance and thats why your performance, On scale of 0-10, it will beneficial to athlete around 1-2 mark if he is taking it and athlete would be foolish if he takes it intentionally as it wont be helpful and he will get caught in urine test anyway.

 

I am not supporting Shaw blindly but that is mistake by him and he will  rightly serve the ban but structuring brainless theories after just one incidence is idiotic. To The one who guy is hell bent on his steroid use linking it with hair loss, Shaw has perfectly fine hair, His hairline is completely fine for 18 yr old and there is no bald spot either on his head and Hair loss inducing dose of steroid will affect other systems as well like His Liver causing Jaundice and musculoskeletal system making his bones brittle.

[nevada]

https://www.indiatoday.in/sports/cricket/story/jofra-archer-freakish-tweet-prithvi-shaw-doping-ban-1575512-2019-07-31

[vaul]

I have seen blind Dhoni followers,but this phenomenon seems to apply for every player.I am surprised that people in thread are justifying use of banned substance by Shaw.For that matter they are creating their own version of science-like Terbutaline does not affect performance.

1. Here I am quoting one research article title published in European Respiratory Journal,interested ones may further search on Pubmed:

"Inhalation of terbutaline increases anaerobic performance and muscle strength in well-trained endurance athletes"

This article is about inhalation effect,which is much lesser to ingestion-the route used by Shaw.

Here is other excerpt from article in The Conversation:

"Terbutaline and other treatments may improve performance by altering muscle function so that power production per muscle contraction is enhanced. Long-term use may also improve the energy producing pathways that do not require the presence of oxygen, hence a boost to anaerobic bursts of power. But to achieve these performance gains inhaled doses of terbutaline must be well above the therapeutic dose."

 

2.Every cricketer in domestic circuit is informed and warned about use of performance enhancing substances,including cough syrups containing Terbutaline .So,story of inadvertent use of cough syrup sounds fabricated one.

 

3. Anti-doping tests are designed to detect levels of banned substances above the therapeutic dose.Therefore positive sample of Shaw indicates long time usage.Few doses of cough syrup will not lead to positive sample.Anti-doping agencies work to identify the cheaters only -they don't intend to ruin careers of players.

 

4. Abuse of power enhancing substances lead to weaker ligaments and bones.Is not Shaw suffering from injuries from last one year,more than any other player ?  To say that his hairline is perfectly normal for a 19 year old,one must be partially blind.

 

 

 

 

[raki05]

3 hours ago, vaul said:

As I said Warne was found positive with a diuretic,not a power enhancing substance.He is chubby,therefore might have used to improve his appearance.But,unlike Shaw he was never found positive for power-enhancing substance. Otherwise his bowling speed,stamina would have dropped to extend that he would have looked much inferior.Moreover,diuretic is not used to recover from injury -it is mainly used to lower the blood pressure.

 

On the other hand Shaw is showing clear signs of steroid abuse -extensive hair fall,persistent injuries,his physique.If his s/r remains same after ban,it will indicate that his past performances were not influenced by steroids. Otherwise,his s/r will drop significantly because he may find it difficult to hit the ball as hard as once he used to do.

 

I am not defending the Warne but his post ban performance is an indicator that he might not have used diuretic to mask steroids.And same post ban performance for Shaw will tell whether he is lying or not.

 

 

He may be or may not have taken intentionally, only god knows. But the kind of story which you are fabricating since starting of the threads looks like some one from indian team who desperately doesn't want shaw to back in the team. Are you somehow K L Rahul? S/R has nothing to do with body mass or power otherwise all the fat ass or bowler who are usually taller and mascular than batsmen would have high SR and Eng ,NZ team should have won all t20 wc.  Cricket is a game of skill, how come sachin has maintained higher sr than anyone else in 90s who was shorter than ever other batsmen in the world. 

Edited July 31, 2019 by raki05

[raki05]

2 hours ago, Bigg Brother said:

Terbutaline is used in cough syrup as well as in Asthma who have breathing difficulties and acts as bronchodilator delivering more oxygen and thats why it is supposed to enhance your aerobic performance and thats why your performance, On scale of 0-10, it will beneficial to athlete around 1-2 mark if he is taking it and athlete would be foolish if he takes it intentionally as it wont be helpful and he will get caught in urine test anyway.

 

I am not supporting Shaw blindly but that is mistake by him and he will  rightly serve the ban but structuring brainless theories after just one incidence is idiotic. To The one who guy is hell bent on his steroid use linking it with hair loss, Shaw has perfectly fine hair, His hairline is completely fine for 18 yr old and there is no bald spot either on his head and Hair loss inducing dose of steroid will affect other systems as well like His Liver causing Jaundice and musculoskeletal system making his bones brittle.

That guy seems like K L R who desperately doesn't want Shaw to be back in the team. Hence hell bent on steroid stuff. I mean he might have taken it PED but saying he was long term user and relating his physique and hair line to this is another level stupidity. Also laughable is he is justifying his theory saying if shaw sr drops means he was definitely on dope. Dhoni SR has droppeed significantly since 2015 was he on dope till 2015. Rahaney during his first series in eng played more than 100 SR ever since he is find it difficult to reach even 70 SR means he was on dope in that series. I think this @vaul  is on dope by looking at nonsense which he is vomiting here.

[Bigg Brother]

On 7/31/2019 at 4:13 PM, raki05 said:

That guy seems like K L R who desperately doesn't want Shaw to be back in the team. Hence hell bent on steroid stuff. I mean he might have taken it PED but saying he was long term user and relating his physique and hair line to this is another level stupidity. Also laughable is he is justifying his theory saying if shaw sr drops means he was definitely on dope. Dhoni SR has droppeed significantly since 2015 was he on dope till 2015. Rahaney during his first series in eng played more than 100 SR ever since he is find it difficult to reach even 70 SR means he was on dope in that series. 

 

 

 

I read only his first post about hairloss and stopped reading after that.

Edited August 1, 2019 by beetle

[Khota]

9 hours ago, diga said:

Cricket is a skills game... Dont think you need performance enhancing substance that too in T20 matches

You got that wrong.

[Khota]

One mistake he did make is not take diuretics like Shane did to avoid detection. This is a complex game and he did not play it well. BCCI did the right thing as this is his first offense.

[kosingh]

7 hours ago, Zero_Unit said:

Assuming that you're one of those people who thinks you are too smart for their own good eh? As if these players are pharmacist and knows whats in which medication? When was the last time you had a cold, went to your pharmacy and stood there to google which medication will get you to fail a dope test? You sir sound like a total dumba$$ ...

Oh little sweetheart.

[kosingh]

He also "inadvertently" forgot to list that he had taken cough syrup in the 7 days before when asked about all medicines prescription or non prescription  , like he is required to.

 

 

[VT87]

I had hair loss also but turned out to be sever dandruff just shaved my head and problem solved

[Cricket_Fan]

On 7/30/2019 at 10:58 AM, vaul said:

Tobacco cause cancer but not all chronic users suffer from the disease.Steroids definitely lead to hair loss but some individuals are more susceptible than others.His father is not yet bald,how come this 19 yr old lost so much of hairs ?

Also, threshold level detected in these tests indicate long-time usage as these tests take care of moderate medicinal dosage.

Sachin's kid is way taller than him. Its not necessary that you get all genes from your father. You can get it from your grandfather or your uncles from your mother's side. And hairloss is related to various medical conditions, not just steroids or genetics. None of that is a conclusive evidence to prove his steroid usage.

[Franco Vazquez]

I have heard this cough excuse so many times Its BS. Cough doesn't stay forever. Why not just wait for few days and it will go itself. I am 20 and I have coughs after every few months and it goes after few days.

[raki05]

Can you tell us about Terbutaline, which both Shaw and Yusuf took after buying over-the-counter cough syrups - how does it actually impact a cricketer?

Terbutaline helps to open the airways and thereby ventilate the lungs effectively. It may be beneficial to cyclists, runners, etc., but wouldn't really help a cricketer perform better.

[Lannister]

BCCI Official Questions Prithvi Shaw's Doping Ban Period: Report

 

"The biggest embarrassment is that as per the order on Shaw, he is deemed to have been serving his period of ineligibility since March and he has therefore played the IPL during his period of ineligibility. Even if this is permitted in some manner, this doesn't seem right. Where is the deterrence then if you are going to have the luxury of having played during the 'deemed' period of ineligibility," the official said.

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/sports.ndtv.com/cricket/prithvi-shaws-doping-ban-period-questioned-by-bcci-official-report-2078289%3famp=1&akamai-rum=off

 

[beetle]

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/27288034/explainer-how-bcci-worked-prithvi-shaw-suspension

However, once he reached Indore, Shaw suffered a "common cough and cold". According to Salvi's report , Shaw consulted his father, who "suggested that he visit a pharmacy to obtain a remedy for his symptoms". The pharmacist recommended the cough syrup in question, saying it "would provide immediate relief".

 

WTH! This is an international cricketer not a gully mohalla cricketer.

 

His father knows how to push his son through the system...get him the right coaching etc but doesn't know about banned drugs?

Hard to believe.

Who  tells an international cricketer to get over the counter medicines?

Why couldn't they give a call to team physio or any physio appointed by bcci.

He could have called the physio at NCA.

 

Either he is an idiot or there is something more to it.

 

 

Edited August 1, 2019 by beetle

[LordPrabhzy]

The point is, Terbutaline may not really enhance performance in a cricket anyway BUT as a professional athlete who is affiliated to the most powerful cricket board who have provided sessions and resources for players to learn more about potential risks and have also set up a team for players to query with a doctor or a health professional BEFORE they take anything.

 

Shaw is a talent but he is not a child. As much as I wanted to see him play I support this ban because, you cannot be unprofessional in this manner and take any medication just because the dad told you to and then you end up going to a random pharmacy... I cannot believe this is still happening in Indian cricket.

[Khota]

23 hours ago, kosingh said:

He also "inadvertently" forgot to list that he had taken cough syrup in the 7 days before when asked about all medicines prescription or non prescription  , like he is required to.

 

 

If he gets an approval in advance he can take it. He did neither.

[cowboysfan]

13 hours ago, raki05 said:

Can you tell us about Terbutaline, which both Shaw and Yusuf took after buying over-the-counter cough syrups - how does it actually impact a cricketer?

Terbutaline helps to open the airways and thereby ventilate the lungs effectively. It may be beneficial to cyclists, runners, etc., but wouldn't really help a cricketer perform better.

pretty sure a drug which helps in endurance and better muscle performance will help a cricketer.