What are your views on the Aryan Dravidian theory ?

[MechEng]

Achha North Indians you are all Scandinavians and long lost cousins of pewdipie and South Indians you have same genes as Michael Holding. Khush?

[velu]

my two cents ..

 

vast majority of the arabs ( - curly hair .. yemini , omani and saudis ) can pass as south indian ..

some iranians can pass as north indians 

[The Dark Horse]

As said in the video I posted, Aryan invasion theory is a concept made up by the west in quest of the origin of the western people..they formed a theory and then backtracked it just to justify or show how old their lineage was.

[sandeep]

1 hour ago, Reddysaab said:

hello brother. u did not read my post carefully.

 

"aryans" are very much there in south india speaking dravidian languages. the upper castes ( varnas) - brahmin, kshatriya, vysyas,  in south india have mostly aryan blood. 

hello brother,  go back to google and read up on R1A1 - you will learn that it is widely distributed across all the "varnas", and not just the so-called "upper castes". 

[someone]

The burden of proof lies on the other side. Just some white man made up this theory decades ago, went unchallenged and thus is now mainstream. There is no scientific evidence, nor any Indian history talk about such things. And why it went unchallenged, is a lot due to our inferiority complex....

 

The best way to deal with this theory, is to start talking about MUGHAL history. That's the most uncomfortable question in India till date, and our history books don't discuss it in a fair manner.

[Reddysaab]

1 hour ago, someone said:

The burden of proof lies on the other side. Just some white man made up this theory decades ago, went unchallenged and thus is now mainstream. There is no scientific evidence, nor any Indian history talk about such things. And why it went unchallenged, is a lot due to our inferiority complex....

 

The best way to deal with this theory, is to start talking about MUGHAL history. That's the most uncomfortable question in India till date, and our history books don't discuss it in a fair manner.

what is there to speak about Mughal history. Mughal empire was started by a bunch of Uzbeks but they were heavily influenced by persian culture, but in their plundering ways, they stayed true to their Mongol roots. they saw the riches of india and came. they were related to and an offshooot of the great Mongol empire of Genghis Khan. they completely plundered and looted the realms of Hindus. and in their wake they left a lot of cross breed naajayaz ( bastard ) aulads and ofcourse so many million converts who manifested themselves as sub continent Muslims of today. i do acknowledge that many of the ppl also converted voluntarily or for some other socio economic reasons and became Muslims of subcont. 

 

today like anytime in history - India was, is and will always be a great civilization, whereas today Mongol bastard race countries like Uzbekistan are like a slave supplier. many Uzbek $2 dolla hoes, prostitutes are available in India metros. and if u go to Uzbek, u can get many $2 dolla hoes.

 

like they say, what goes around, comes around.

Edited August 13, 2019 by Reddysaab

[Moochad]

You know that Indian discourse has sunk to a new low when a half-literate journalist like Tony Joseph  and his opinion piece is published in a so-called reputable newspaper like The Hindu arguing with two actual professionals in the field of Genetics. 

Journalists in India have a way overinflated sense of their own competence. These journalists, having never actually read or written a scientific paper in their lives, feel perfectly comfortable making sweeping statements from 1 single study and make conclusions from it to push their political agenda. The two actual professionals in the field show much more restraint dealing the topic.

 

In India, no one will know Dr Chaubey or Thangaraj's names, but this Joesph guy will be paraded around as a scientific expert and authoritative voice on Genetics   

 

 

 

 

 

[Mariyam]

On 8/12/2019 at 11:44 PM, panther said:

What does R1a mean with regards to aryan?

Ra1 was the villain in the super hero movie made by/ starring the father of Aryan.

[Alam_dar]

13 hours ago, Moochad said:

You know that Indian discourse has sunk to a new low when a half-literate journalist like Tony Joseph  and his opinion piece is published in a so-called reputable newspaper like The Hindu arguing with two actual professionals in the field of Genetics. 

Journalists in India have a way overinflated sense of their own competence. These journalists, having never actually read or written a scientific paper in their lives, feel perfectly comfortable making sweeping statements from 1 single study and make conclusions from it to push their political agenda. The two actual professionals in the field show much more restraint dealing the topic.

 

In India, no one will know Dr Chaubey or Thangaraj's names, but this Joesph guy will be paraded around as a scientific expert and authoritative voice on Genetics  

Tony Joseph seems to have special interest in this subject and he wrote a book " Early Indians: The Story of Our Ancestors and Where We Came From

 

Any way, it is absolutely not about Tony Joseph, but it is about the Latest Scientific Study, done by 16 scientists led by Prof. Martin P. Richards of the University of Huddersfield, U.K.

 

Tony Joseph has only reproduced the conclusion of the study in his article, therefore it is useless to challenge his scholarship. 

 

Chaubey and Thangaraj read it, but they didn't pointed out any mistake by Tony Joseph in his conclusion. They also didn't point out any new study or data, but pointed out only some doubts in the final results that  R1a stands at 17.5% or less (or even MORE ... yes, it may be possible that more accurate study could elevate it than 17.5% too). Even if it reduces to 15% or  12%, still the bigger picture remains unchanged that massive (10% of India's total population) migration took place from central Asia to India in this time period of.  While absolutely NO PROOFS have been found the opposite way i.e. Out of India theory which has been supported ferociously. 

 

And the objection of being a SINGLE study is also not valid, while this is the MOST RECENT Study and it has used the results of all other previously done studies. No other study has come after it, which contradicts it. As maximum, questions are raised about it's method of choosing the sample data. 

 

What else could I say. Every thing is clear crystal already. 

Edited August 14, 2019 by Alam_dar

[Alam_dar]

Now power politics have been involved in scientific studies within India, which is unfortunate. Already a huge pressure upon the researchers (especially abroad) to follow the guidelines and rules set by BJP Government. 

 

4500-year-old DNA from Rakhigarhi reveals evidence that will unsettle Hindutva nationalists

Link.

 

No R1a found in Rakhigarhi, while today normal Indian has 17.5% of R1a.

 

But the DNA of 4500 years old Rakhigarhi resembles the DNA of South Indians much more than the North Indians. 

 

[coffee_rules]

18 minutes ago, Alam_dar said:

Now power politics have been involved in scientific studies within India, which is unfortunate. Already a huge pressure upon the researchers (especially abroad) to follow the guidelines and rules set by BJP Government. 

 

4500-year-old DNA from Rakhigarhi reveals evidence that will unsettle Hindutva nationalists

Link.

 

No R1a found in Rakhigarhi, while today normal Indian has 17.5% of R1a.

 

But the DNA of 4500 years old Rakhigarhi resembles the DNA of South Indians much more than the North Indians. 

 

This doesn't prove any data of migration, but shows the starting of trade, and interaction and also invasion of Central Asian Mongols and EU post Moghul era. These are not new discoveries, HMS already did this part of their study in 2009. Read my last response to you where I posted the link. Peddling some nonsense as proof of AMT.

[Muloghonto]

43 minutes ago, Alam_dar said:

Now power politics have been involved in scientific studies within India, which is unfortunate. Already a huge pressure upon the researchers (especially abroad) to follow the guidelines and rules set by BJP Government. 

 

4500-year-old DNA from Rakhigarhi reveals evidence that will unsettle Hindutva nationalists

Link.

 

No R1a found in Rakhigarhi, while today normal Indian has 17.5% of R1a.

 

But the DNA of 4500 years old Rakhigarhi resembles the DNA of South Indians much more than the North Indians. 

 

One sample means nothing . But we know you wanna push an invader agenda 

[Alam_dar]

1 hour ago, coffee_rules said:

This doesn't prove any data of migration, but shows the starting of trade, and interaction and also invasion of Central Asian Mongols and EU post Moghul era. These are not new discoveries, HMS already did this part of their study in 2009. Read my last response to you where I posted the link. Peddling some nonsense as proof of AMT.

In 2009?

While the article suggests:

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These revelations are part of the long-awaited and much-postponed results of an excavation conducted in 2015 by a team led by Dr Vasant Shinde, an archaeologist and vice chancellor of Pune's Deccan College.

Why did it take so long? One answer was on offer exactly a year ago when this writer spoke to Shinde who was then holding out the promise of publishing the findings in September 2017. "It's a very politically sensitive issue," he said.

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[Muloghonto]

2 hours ago, Alam_dar said:

In 2009?

While the article suggests:

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These revelations are part of the long-awaited and much-postponed results of an excavation conducted in 2015 by a team led by Dr Vasant Shinde, an archaeologist and vice chancellor of Pune's Deccan College.

Why did it take so long? One answer was on offer exactly a year ago when this writer spoke to Shinde who was then holding out the promise of publishing the findings in September 2017. "It's a very politically sensitive issue," he said.

//

 

 

 

 

Because there is only ONE sample and it’s not enough to draw a conclusion . Nice yet anti Indian propaganda peddler 

[Reddysaab]

first of all i dont understand what the issue is here?

 

if u guys are saying that there was no settlement of Aryans or lets say a more Indo/Persio/european kind of race who settled in ancient India and what crystallized between the settlers and also the locals and it synthesized into Hinduism. so what the fk is the big deal about it? why so much stigma for this shittt? 

 

u are all smart people. i dont think ur dumb enough to think that a Kasmiri pundit or Punjabi jatt genetics are same as a Tamil person?

 

 

Edited August 14, 2019 by Reddysaab

[Muloghonto]

2 hours ago, Reddysaab said:

first of all i dont understand what the issue is here?

 

if u guys are saying that there was no settlement of Aryans or lets say a more Indo/Persio/european kind of race who settled in ancient India and what crystallized between the settlers and also the locals and it synthesized into Hinduism. so what the fk is the big deal about it? why so much stigma for this shittt? 

 

u are all smart people. i dont think ur dumb enough to think that a Kasmiri pundit or Punjabi jatt genetics are same as a Tamil person?

 

 

The kashmiri Pandits or Punjabi Jatt has more in commo with a Tamil than with anyone else, FYI. 

[rkt.india]

8 hours ago, Alam_dar said:

Now power politics have been involved in scientific studies within India, which is unfortunate. Already a huge pressure upon the researchers (especially abroad) to follow the guidelines and rules set by BJP Government. 

 

4500-year-old DNA from Rakhigarhi reveals evidence that will unsettle Hindutva nationalists

Link.

 

No R1a found in Rakhigarhi, while today normal Indian has 17.5% of R1a.

 

But the DNA of 4500 years old Rakhigarhi resembles the DNA of South Indians much more than the North Indians. 

 

But dna of south and north indians aren't different