Bhaad me gaya pitch- Ravi shastri

[putrevus]

9 hours ago, mani sha said:

Let’s talk when we win t20 wc or win odi wc or win in South Africa or England or in aussie with smith being there. 
 

bevda is lucky that ishant -2 Umesh- 2 bumrah shami -2 besides bhuvi and pandya etc arnd . It’s the pace attack that has matured 

 

ash jaddu combo bats and bowls - we would have lost against England if not for lower order batting . 
 

you can play bhangda with him once we win even a single icc thing . Jo Jeeta Wohi Sikander 

Oh if players perform well, Bevada is lucky.If they don't perform well see Bevada does not do anything. 

Did Bevada ask Smith to be banned , you are making it sound as if the winning in Australia is not enough, they needed to have X,Yand Z in the team.

 

They played one ICC tournment together and they got to Semi final. 

[nevada]

Bewda might as well have said *Bhaad me gaya pitcher, main to whiskey le Raha Hoon ab se". Literally sleeping on the job, msking out like a bandit. 

[putrevus]

3 minutes ago, SK_IH said:

It's the repetitive nature of exits that is an irritant. Virat has had two similar debacles in ICC tourneys and along with the coach too many debacles in Eng and SA. 

So why are you blaming Shastri?Blame Kohli the batsman who has flopped in big spots and not even given his team a chance.Do you want Kohli to be out of this team so they can win.I can understand and it is perfectly fine if you think Kohli cannot win anything big and he needed to go both as batsman and captain.But if they remove Kohli from captaincy they risk losing him as a batsman too in his prime like SA lost AB when they thought Amla or FAF would make better test captains.

 

Regarding SA and England losses, you need batsmen to win and when your openers are tailenders no coach can win anything, if they don't win in NZ with these new openers.Then you have every reason to complain.These openers are hand picked by this TM by overlooking great young talent.

 

Is Shastri complaining that Dhawan and co were injured so they could not win world cup.Or Bhuvi was injured for England series so they got robbed a chance. When was last time Indian team atleast competed in almost all overseas tests in SENA. When was the time last India won more than single test in an overseas tour in SENA They would have won three tests there if not for rain.

 

2004 India draws against Australia without Warne and Mcgrath, it is hailed as a great achievement and monuments are being built for DADA.But Shastri and Kohli win against Australia without Smith and Warne, they are termed lucky and win is dismissed as fluky.  

[Cricwala]

19 hours ago, putrevus said:

Shastri failed in one ICC tournament

 

 

 

No, he has failed in 3 - ICC WC 2015, T20 WC 2016 and ICC WC 2019. 
 

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Shastri is coach not a magician who can create players.Has the team improved under Shastri is the question which needs to be answered?

 

Good coaches can & do 'create' players - they take existing talent and mould it into something bigger like Gary Kirsten did with Gautam Gambhir who played out of his skin in 2008-11. They change team cultures for the better like John Wright did. Shastri has been at helm of Indian cricket for 4 years (2014-16 and 2017-19), the one thing that has improved in the team is pace bowling battery has matured immensely, spin bowling is pretty much the same (we still lack a match-winning spinner abroad), fielding is also static (close catching needs improvement), batting is unsettled (unlike Kumble, Shastri failed to stop Kohli's idiotic obsession with 'intent' which messed up a lot of previously settled batsmen + newest opening pair is untested in seaming conditions, the no. 6 position is also undecided). Many Youngsters have been messed up by Kohli-Shastri regime - Pant, Kuldeep, KL, Gill, Nair all are at cross-roads today, their confidence & form have all taken a beating....and instead of countering Kohli's impetuous, domineering style of dealing with youth, Shastri has only sucked up to the captain. On contrary, youth did much better when Kumble was around - KL was an important contributor in Aus and Eng series at home, Kuldeep was blooded in Dharamshala by overruling Kohli.  

 

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Under Kumble winning at home was by using spinners and the team now winning using much more allround attack that is the difference.

Err, NO. All 4 series under Kumble -WI overseas, NZ/Eng/Aus at home, show a significant contribution by pace battery of Shami, Bhuvi, Ishant, Umesh - the hostile bowling by Bhuvi and Umesh against Warner and co in Dharamshala test of 2017 Aus series is what turned that match and series for us. So Kumble reign contributed in a major way towards developing this pace attack took place - of course, addition of Bumrah in 2018 and next-level consistency shown by Shami and Ishant (who has thanked his county stint with Gillespie, not Bharat Arun mind you) have taken it to a higher level. 

 

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Why should he tone down his bravodo, he is being himself that is his style.His team has won everywhere except two places England and SA.He is wanting his team to take out pitch from equation and not offer any excuse what is wrong with that statement.

No harm in sticking to a provocative style, if intent is to play mind games with your opponent. But Shastri's brashness is almost always aimed at his perceived internal detractors, it is borne out of insecurity and to defend his record. Australia developed a base for greatness under Border-Simpson duo, then took the next step under Mark Taylor, and finally dominated under Steve Waugh/Ponting and Buchanan. NONE of them tried to belittle the achievements of their predecessors by boasting about being the 'best Australian team ever' etc etc-  their goal was to be the best team in the World - period.  As other posters have patiently explained to you and you have failed to acknowledge as yet, India's overseas SENA record in 2006-10 period was BETTER than what Shastri-Kohli have achieved THUS FAR. So Shastri should focus all his energies on scaling that final frontier for Indian test cricket and winning more silverware in LOIs, instead of making bombastic statements using words like 'bhaad', 'goti muh mein', 'tabla', 'ferrari', 'Oxford dictionary'  

[Vilander]

On 10/22/2019 at 11:23 AM, putrevus said:

He is one along with Kohli most important in this team becoming a force anywhere

 

Before match.

 

 

 

During match

 

 

 

 

 

After India wins, in the press conference

 

 

 

 

 

 

Repeat.

Edited October 23, 2019 by Vilander

[Adamant]

12 hours ago, raki05 said:

Isn't it the same for who coached before as well what's new with Shastri even team of 2006-11 has won in eng, nz and drew in sa and if not for Buckner and Bensen brainfade would have won in Aus also and don't forget that AUS team was GOAT. Our record against them was 5-4 with 5 in favor of Aus including both home and away. Now that is what called winning everywhere and none of them have boasted that they were goat inspite of having  weak bowling lineup.

That aussie team wasn't GOAT. 

 

The bowling attack was:

Lee

Stuart clarke

Young Johnson(his bowling was shite) 

Tait. 

 

Now that's basically the worst Australian bowling since 1980s.

[raki05]

6 hours ago, Adamant said:

Now that's basically the worst Australian bowling since 1980s

That's exaggerating....how come McDermott, Hughes and vittany during 90s were better. That was the lowest in bowling and batting of AuS. 2008 team was not that great in bowling but in there den still they were great with highest wkt taker in the series  Brett Lee and 23.4 avg Stuart Clark and bradd Hogg who was highest wkt taker in  spin in 2003 wc if I am not wrong.

[maniac]

21 hours ago, Cricwala said:

No, he has failed in 3 - ICC WC 2015, T20 WC 2016 and ICC WC 2019. 
 

Good coaches can & do 'create' players - they take existing talent and mould it into something bigger like Gary Kirsten did with Gautam Gambhir who played out of his skin in 2008-11. They change team cultures for the better like John Wright did. Shastri has been at helm of Indian cricket for 4 years (2014-16 and 2017-19), the one thing that has improved in the team is pace bowling battery has matured immensely, spin bowling is pretty much the same (we still lack a match-winning spinner abroad), fielding is also static (close catching needs improvement), batting is unsettled (unlike Kumble, Shastri failed to stop Kohli's idiotic obsession with 'intent' which messed up a lot of previously settled batsmen + newest opening pair is untested in seaming conditions, the no. 6 position is also undecided). Many Youngsters have been messed up by Kohli-Shastri regime - Pant, Kuldeep, KL, Gill, Nair all are at cross-roads today, their confidence & form have all taken a beating....and instead of countering Kohli's impetuous, domineering style of dealing with youth, Shastri has only sucked up to the captain. On contrary, youth did much better when Kumble was around - KL was an important contributor in Aus and Eng series at home, Kuldeep was blooded in Dharamshala by overruling Kohli.  

 

Err, NO. All 4 series under Kumble -WI overseas, NZ/Eng/Aus at home, show a significant contribution by pace battery of Shami, Bhuvi, Ishant, Umesh - the hostile bowling by Bhuvi and Umesh against Warner and co in Dharamshala test of 2017 Aus series is what turned that match and series for us. So Kumble reign contributed in a major way towards developing this pace attack took place - of course, addition of Bumrah in 2018 and next-level consistency shown by Shami and Ishant (who has thanked his county stint with Gillespie, not Bharat Arun mind you) have taken it to a higher level. 

 

No harm in sticking to a provocative style, if intent is to play mind games with your opponent. But Shastri's brashness is almost always aimed at his perceived internal detractors, it is borne out of insecurity and to defend his record. Australia developed a base for greatness under Border-Simpson duo, then took the next step under Mark Taylor, and finally dominated under Steve Waugh/Ponting and Buchanan. NONE of them tried to belittle the achievements of their predecessors by boasting about being the 'best Australian team ever' etc etc-  their goal was to be the best team in the World - period.  As other posters have patiently explained to you and you have failed to acknowledge as yet, India's overseas SENA record in 2006-10 period was BETTER than what Shastri-Kohli have achieved THUS FAR. So Shastri should focus all his energies on scaling that final frontier for Indian test cricket and winning more silverware in LOIs, instead of making bombastic statements using words like 'bhaad', 'goti muh mein', 'tabla', 'ferrari', 'Oxford dictionary'  

Post of the week 

[raki05]

[kirkutfan]

On 10/22/2019 at 11:14 AM, Cricwala said:

No one said we were winning because of Kumble alone when he was coach - you are just making that up for rhetorical effect to bolster your pro-Shastri argument. We won all 4 series when Kumble was coach, so stats-wise he had as much success at home as Shastri. Every Indian captain and coach has tried to make India an al-condition team since 2000s (Post 2011 WC test captaincy of MSD was only exception, he just stopped giving a f**k for tests)...so that's the norm one would expect from kohli-shastri too. Shastri has failed in SENA and in winning major LOI tournaments, thus far, which given current strength of Indian team is an underperformance. So he needs to first walk the talk, before blustering 'to hell with the pitch'....even if India wins in upcoming SENA tours, he needs to tone down the bravado and not sound like a half-drunk loudmouth all the time

Yes but India did lose the Champions trophy when Kumble was coach. So results wise, no superiority demonstrated. Key difference is that Shastri gets along with the players, while Kumble was in confrontation mode. Now, I agree that from the outside, Kumble looks smarter and more professional than the nap taker. But if the players are successful and like the nap taker, maybe they know something we don’t. These guys are under pressure every day and have an interest in getting the best possible support to ensure that they succeed. Besides, much as I enjoy caricaturing the nap taker, the guy does have experience with the sport and has surrounded the team with decent assistant coaches, trainers, physios etc. So there is no reason to fire the guy just because he doesn’t present himself to the outside as well as Kumble does.

[NameGoesHere]

On 10/22/2019 at 5:05 PM, Ankit_sharma03 said:

After the success of "gotte muh men aa gaye "

comes another great quote - "bhaad men gaya pitch"

 

And one day we hope to  hear "bhaad mein gaye mere gotey"

[Cricwala]

21 hours ago, kirkutfan said:

Yes but India did lose the Champions trophy when Kumble was coach. So results wise, no superiority demonstrated. Key difference is that Shastri gets along with the players, while Kumble was in confrontation mode. Now, I agree that from the outside, Kumble looks smarter and more professional than the nap taker. But if the players are successful and like the nap taker, maybe they know something we don’t. These guys are under pressure every day and have an interest in getting the best possible support to ensure that they succeed. Besides, much as I enjoy caricaturing the nap taker, the guy does have experience with the sport and has surrounded the team with decent assistant coaches, trainers, physios etc. So there is no reason to fire the guy just because he doesn’t present himself to the outside as well as Kumble does.

Only one player was in 'confrontation mode' with Kumbke, who just couldn't stomach ANY opposition to his sometimes hair-brained schemes, knee-jerk decisions & pet peeves. If Kumble was so poor at man management or so difficult to get along with, he wouldn't have had such a long succesful career playing under different captains including those junior to him, earned a reputation as a complete team man, or fought back like a champion in last third of career after he was briefly relegated to 2nd spinner status behind bhajji. Professional nap taker has lost in semis of 3 ICC work tournaments, while Kumble got us to final, so if you are looking for just hard stats, then too Shastri lags Kumble.

Edited October 28, 2019 by Cricwala

[kirkutfan]

10 hours ago, Cricwala said:

Only one player was in 'confrontation mode' with Kumbke, who just couldn't stomach ANY opposition to his sometimes hair-brained schemes, knee-jerk decisions & pet peeves. If Kumble was so poor at man management or so difficult to get along with, he wouldn't have had such a long succesful career playing under different captains including those junior to him, earned a reputation as a complete team man, or fought back like a champion in last third of career after he was briefly relegated to 2nd spinner status behind bhajji. Professional nap taker has lost in semis of 3 ICC work tournaments, while Kumble got us to final, so if you are looking for just hard stats, then too Shastri lags Kumble.

We do not know that it was only one player. I don’t recall any noise made by others insisting that Kumble be kept on. Even if it is one, you will have a problem with being effective if you cannot work with a player who is key to the team being successful. Kumble is a legend as a player and arguably should have had a much longer stint as captain. However great players do not automatically become great coaches. Cricket is a players’ game and the coach plays a secondary role. Which is probably why Kumble resigned without a fight. Nap taker stays out of the way, unless needed. Supposedly he helped Kohli sort things out when he struggled in England. And he brought in good assistant coaches to work with the players. So, even though the guy looks crass, maybe nap taker is more useful to the players than we think. Point is, the coach is a support guy. To me, if we are not successful, it is the players’ and in particular, the captain’s problem. Selectors can say we gave you what you asked for, why aren’t you more successful. So- good or bad- it’s a Kohli and team issue. Not a Shastri or Kumble issue.

[Nikola]

On 10/28/2019 at 1:39 AM, NameGoesHere said:

And one day we hope to  hear "bhaad mein gaye mere gotey"

he will say 'bhaad me gaya worldcup' after loosing 2023 worldcup as well.