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What would have happened if Veer Savarkar became India's first PM?

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6 hours ago, Jimmy Cliff said:

 

PVNR and ABV belong to which category?

I would say both weren't powerful enough. I'm not saying they weren't impactful during their terms.  I don't really have much of a problem if people consider PVNR and/or ABV the best PMs, considering those two basically are the PMs who reformed the economy to the point it was before 2004 and the lost decade that followed. (Honestly, even someone like VP Singh had a major impact with the whole Mandalization of politics). However, both lost the elections immediately after the economic reforms they implemented. They weren't able to see them through beyond the one term. 

 

PVNR basically dismantles much of the License Raj/modifies the IDRA and increases FDI limits into India with a minority government, but he had to use the IB to dig up dirt/pressurize people within his own party to be able to go through with the reforms.  Top INC buddhijeevis like Jairam Ramesh even to this day say that Congress views the economic reforms of the 90s as having gone too far. He didn't have support within his own party or with the voters for his achievements. There is a reason PVNR has basically been completely disowned by them, as soon as he lost his chair(rather BJP has appropriated him). INC even reversed some of his key actions during the 2004-14 era by ignoring his focus on the fiscal deficit, reversing the reduction in spending, and increasing subsides. The moment they came back to power it went back to borrow-and-spend welfarism. 

 

I guess a better statement to make would be to say that PVNR mattered to those people who know his role in economic liberalization in the 90s, but he was basically a nobody in terms of influence on politics, particularly in his own party or to the public at large. If INC truly embraced him, India would have 2 national parties who would compete over economic reforms. 

 

ABV is similar: he does economic reforms/disinvestment to reduce the size of the state, and goes into the elections with ~8+% growth, but he is tossed aside. UPA-1 returns to "socialism."

 

Honestly, I should've put Rajiv in the latter category as well, since he was assassinated after 5 years only, but in some alternative timeline where he wasn't assassinated, he could've easily ruled for 10-15 years. In that reality maybe he undoes some of wrongs of his ancestors. He was at least a tinkerer by modifying the MRTP act and allowing broadbanding in the 5 years he was there.      

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12 hours ago, Jimmy Cliff said:

 

PVNR and ABV belong to which category?

Both of them were good PMs but did not hold a single party majority like the 4 PMs he talked about. 

I will certainly put them in top 6 PMs that India ever had (or 7 if you include LBS). Tough to judge their reign without considering they did not enjoy complete freedom like the 4 PMs he was talking about. 

So, lets make another category called "Non-Majority Government" PMs. 

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Ind's major issue is its overpopulation, which has created a vicious cycle of resources < population's requirement ... Times change, problems remain, there is no magic solution:

 

 

 

 

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If you are a student of history, you must read Vikram Sampath’s biography. It’s a stunning account of one of the key elements of India’s freedom struggle. 
 
 
10 years in Andaman ..move over Papi

He makes all freedom fighters jail sentences look like picnics
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Savarkar applied to the Bombay Government for certain concessions in connection with his sentences. However, by Government letter No. 2022, dated 4 April 1911, his application was rejected and he was informed that the question of remitting the second sentence of transportation for life would be considered in due course on the expiry of the first sentence of transportation for life.[29] A month after arriving in the Cellular Jail, Andaman and Nicobar Islands, Savarkar submitted his first clemency petition on 30 August 1911. This petition was rejected on 3 September 1911.[30]

Savarkar submitted his next clemency petition on 14 November 1913 and presented it personally to the Home Member of the Governor General's council, Sir Reginald Craddock.[31] In his letter,he described himself as a "prodigal son" longing to return to the "parental doors of the government".[a] He wrote that his release from the jail will recast the faith of many Indians in the British rule. Also, he said "Moreover, my conversion to the constitutional line would bring back all those misled young men in India and abroad who were once looking up to me as their guide. I am ready to serve the government in any capacity they like, for as my conversion is conscientious so I hope my future conduct would be. By keeping me in jail, nothing can be got in comparison to what would be otherwise."[33]

In 1917, Savarkar submitted another clemency petition, this time for a general amnesty of all political prisoners. Savarkar was informed on 1 February 1918 that the clemency petition was placed before the British colonial government.[34] In December 1919, there was a Royal proclamation by King-Emperor George V. The Paragraph 6 of this proclamation included a declaration of Royal clemency to political offenders.[35] In view of Royal proclamation, Savarkar submitted his fourth clemency[36] petition to the British colonial government on 30 March 1920,[37] in which he stated that "So far from believing in the militant school of the Bukanin type, I do not contribute even to the peaceful and philosophical anarchism of a Kuropatkin [sic.] or a Tolstoy. And as to my revolutionary tendencies in the past:- it is not only now for the object of sharing the clemency but years before this have I informed of and written to the Government in my petitions (1918, 1914) about my firm intention to abide by the constitution and stand by it as soon as a beginning was made to frame it by Mr. Montagu. Since that the Reforms and then the Proclamation have only confirmed me in my views and recently I have publicly avowed my faith in and readiness to stand by the side of orderly and constitutional development."[38]

This petition was rejected on 12 July 1920 by the British colonial government.[39] After considering the petition, the British colonial government contemplated releasing Ganesh Savarkar but not Vinayak Savarkar. The rationale for doing so was stated as follows[40]

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vinayak_Damodar_Savarkar

 

Petetion after petetion......begging for mercy from the Brits......what bravado is this...very timid & so afraid of death.....only cowards proclaim him as 'Veer Savarkar' ....sigh


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Idiots should realize that clemency was the formal instrument for revolutionaries to get out of jail.Mosy revolutionaries did that.

It's a classic case of live today and fight tomorrow or ganimi kawa tactics.The great Shivaji himself wrote multiple such letters to Aurangzeb to deceive the enemy.The British regarded Savarkar as one of the greatest threats to the Raj because of his ideas to infiltrate the army and create low intensity rebellions all over India to keep them busy.Thats why he was imprisoned for 26 years of his life as compared to Gandhi Nehru who the Brits turned into heroes.

Where do such half wits come from I wonder?They should read up.



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24 minutes ago, dial_100 said:

@Yoda-esque @G_B_ Did you guys know about htis? Because I didnt.

 

 

But honestly I am not surprised. They were brazen back in the days.

 

This was reported back in 2010, when 
uddhav was communal:

 

https://www.dnaindia.com/mumbai/report-only-real-men-can-worship-sawarkar-says-uddhav-thackeray-1389905

 

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Highlight of the evening was rendition of the poem 'Ne Majasi...' by noted music composed Pt Hridaynath Mangeshkar and his sister and veteran singer and Usha Mangeshkar.

He had composed the music for the same way back in 1956 for which he was suspended from the services of All India Radio.

 

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