Great Indian cricketers who retired at the right time

[zen]

1 minute ago, Global.Baba said:

I think Ganguly was kind of forced to retire as well. Having heard his interviews he personally feels he had a couple of years left in him. Don't think a guy who quits at his peak feels that way.

I agree that there was pressure on Ganguly to retire or he could have dragged it too

[Global.Baba]

Also people who say it is well within Dhoni's rights to retire when he please and it is not the public's problem should realize that it is public's emotional investment and their passion for cricket to watch it on TV or subscription medium or even follow it online is what made this guy a millionaire.

 

So yes if Public has invested so much in his career they have the right to know.

 

In a way glad that selectors and BCCI have seen through this bs.

 

One day after not getting the central contract, he was forced to go to a temple and then come back to net practice.  What an embarrassment.

 

Another legend who has over stayed his welcome.

 

I bet we will see this with Kohli and Rohit as well.

[zen]

16 minutes ago, Global.Baba said:

I bet we will see this with Kohli and Rohit as well.

Rohit and Dhawan have the option to voluntarily opt out of T20s esp. after the T20 WC in Aus later this year.  If their ODI form is good, they can hope to play the 2023 ODI WC but Ind would need youngsters to be playing key roles 

 

Phase out schedule unless they continue to display good form, which should be able to supplement their deteriorating fielding skills as well

 

2021 Dhawan 

2023 Rohit

2025 Kohli 

 

 

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Also people who say it is well within Dhoni's rights to retire when he please and it is not the public's problem should realize that it is public's emotional investment and their passion for cricket to watch it on TV or subscription medium or even follow it online is what made this guy a millionaire.

Dhoni should have announced his retirement from international cricket after the 2019 WC, where his position was not as automatic as he would have liked to believe 

 

 

Edited January 23, 2020 by zen

[Global.Baba]

Just now, zen said:

Rohit and Dhawan have the option to voluntarily opt out of T20s esp. after the WC.  If there ODI form is good, they will hope to play the ODI WC but then Ind would need youngsters to be playing key roles 

 

Phase out schedule unless they continue to display good form

 

2021 Dhawan 

2023 Rohit

2025 Kohli 

 

 

 

 

Dhawan is a little easier to dispose off but Rohit and Kohli are too big of names to be phased out, even though it should be the case in a perfect world. I am pretty sure we will see the same pattern there.

[First class]

1 hour ago, Global.Baba said:

Gavaskar. 

 

I think Sachin retired from tests and T20's(which he unofficially retired in 2007) at the right time but should have quit ODI's after 2011.

 

Others come to mind are Ravi Shastri who retired at 30 and Srikkanth who despite having flashes here and there in 92, was basically done as he lost his eyesight.

 

Gavaskar retired at right time, Tendulakar very late , too late. 

[Jimmy Cliff]

Gavaskar had a great final innings but had below par numbers in 3 of his last 4 years.

 

He averaged 28.87 in 1984, 39.50 in 1985 and 42.85 in 1987.

[Nikola]

Thala in test cricket. Ran away mid tour at perfect time before ipl and worldcup.

[zen]

6 minutes ago, Global.Baba said:

Dhawan is a little easier to dispose off but Rohit and Kohli are too big of names to be phased out, even though it should be the case in a perfect world. I am pretty sure we will see the same pattern there.

I agree .... and ICF will have threads on those two like we had for other players in the past. More topics to discuss   .... though if BCCI had planned well, they could have designed a schedule like below unless there is a revival in form :

 

2019 Dhoni 

2021 Dhawan

2023 Rohit

2025 Kohli

 

There are bowlers like Shami (real age?), Bhuvi (pace will decline further), etc., whose replacements need to be considered in the coming years 

[Cricwala]

Sunny, Ganguly (his dropping in 05/06 was one of the greatest & bravest selectoral decisions in my books, as it charged him up to return with a bang for final 2 yrs), dravid, Kumble, srinath, vvs all went at right time. Others like Sehwag, vengsarkar, srikkanth, gambhir, nehra, zaheer, agarkar who were dropped due to poor form and either kept fighting in domestic or faded away without bitterness or sense of entitlement also went out the right way. 

 

Ones who overstayed their welcome in selfish pursuit of records - kapil, Tendulkar...both by around 1 year.

 

But worst is the man who has not just overstayed his sell by date by 3 years, but cynically manipulated and used his clout to extend career for commercial interests arguably costing country ICC trophies - MS DHONI

[zen]

20 minutes ago, Jimmy Cliff said:

Gavaskar had a great final innings but had below par numbers in 3 of his last 4 years.

 

He averaged 28.87 in 1984, 39.50 in 1985 and 42.85 in 1987.

1986 Gavaskar averaged 60+ if I am not wrong 

[zen]

11 minutes ago, Cricwala said:

Ones who overstayed their welcome in selfish pursuit of records - kapil, Tendulkar...both by around 1 year.

Those are more like individual milestones (100 100s, 200 Tests, most wkts after playing 40-50 more tests than the other guy) than records

[Cricwala]

Dhoni has dealt a massive blow to our our cricketing culture, which had been made more professional, outcome oriented and less star-centric by previous generation of Ganguly-Dravid-Sachin-Kumble-VVS-Sehwag....MSD and Srinivasan brought back virus of star power, apathy towards overseas routs, and it all culminated in IPL match-fixing saga something our cricket administration is yet to recover from. Kohli is Dhoni's protege and has taken the same arrogant, autocratic culture forward, albeit he atleast wants to win.

 

Now it will need all strong voices from pre-Dhoni generation to force a course correction and ensure that post-Kohli the game again regains primacy over any individual

[Jimmy Cliff]

3 minutes ago, zen said:

1986 Gavaskar averaged 60+ if I am not wrong 

Yep. 

[Global.Baba]

23 minutes ago, zen said:

I agree .... and ICF will have threads on those two like we had for other players in the past. More topics to discuss   .... though if BCCI had planned well, they could have designed a schedule like below unless there is a revival in form :

 

2019 Dhoni 

2021 Dhawan

2023 Rohit

2025 Kohli

 

There are bowlers like Shami (real age?), Bhuvi (pace will decline further), etc., whose replacements need to be considered in the coming years 

2025 is an odd timing. May be from tests but with most sc cricketers wc seems retirement season I remember waugh (was forced)  retiring before 2003 WC and Richards before the 92 wc.

[zen]

4 minutes ago, Global.Baba said:

2025 is an odd timing. May be from tests but with most sc cricketers wc seems retirement season I remember waugh (was forced)  retiring before 2003 WC and Richards before the 92 wc.

Rather than being a retirement event, WC should be an event where we only play those who are in best form 

[Ajju]

Dhoni in tests still he is best you can observe gis bat style in death overs

Edited January 23, 2020 by Ajju

[Autonomous]

Good to know that Indian Cricketers retire. 

 

We have grandpa's like Hafeez, Malik, K. Akmal etc. staking claims at selection.

[SUMO]

In ODIs form never drops, I have seen its easier to still average 45 in odis for great batsman well in their late 30s.

Its the tests where perfomance dips to the zenith all of a sudden around mid 30s.

Virat can play till 2027 WC he will be 38 by then. Wont be surprised if shikhar retains his present form till 2023. Only shaw is a threat to his place, not bcz shikhar is any bad but shaw seems a freak talent.

Otherwise dont see rahul or mayank or gill impactful/consistent enough to challenge inform experienced shikhar.

 

[mani sha]

Dravid - one bad series in England and he retired . Correct decision 

 

kumble - retired while bowling well . Legends both 

 

Kiran more - played well and retired well . 
 

vengsrakar and Gavaskar - timed out right 

 

srinath , prasad - both Bowed out correct . Played v v well 

 

ganguly - went out on time 

 

players who overstayed - 

kapil - most guilty 

tendulkar ( dragged on ) played for records towards end two years and not much use . Boos notwithstanding in mumbai 

dhoni -drags on ... evil incarnation 

manjrekar and shastri - used to get selected god knows why ( shastri bowling was ok though ) 

jadhav - why is he still there 

harbhajan - should have retired . Played hard . Didn’t like the fact he didn’t announce his retirement 

ashwin - should retire from odi .. he is not odi material now 

 

[zen]

On 1/23/2020 at 11:46 AM, zen said:

I agree .... and ICF will have threads on those two like we had for other players in the past. More topics to discuss   .... though if BCCI had planned well, they could have designed a schedule like below unless there is a revival in form :

 

2019 Dhoni 

2021 Dhawan

2023 Rohit

2025 Kohli

 

There are bowlers like Shami (real age?), Bhuvi (pace will decline further), etc., whose replacements need to be considered in the coming years 

Focus shifts on the other 3