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7 minutes ago, G_B_ said:

ok, so what are the averages of other Indian batsman in sena?

Since 2018:

 

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Home or away away (home of opposition) remove away (home of opposition) from query
Start of match date greater than or equal to 1 Jan 2018 remove greater than or equal to 1 Jan 2018 from query
Qualifications runs scored greater than or equal to 300 remove runs scored greater than or equal to 300 from query
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Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS AveDescending BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s  
V Kohli 2018-2020 13 25 0 1182 153 47.28 2234 52.90 4 5 2 136 2 investigate this query
CA Pujara 2018-2020 12 23 1 921 193 41.86 2449 37.60 4 3 3 99 2 investigate this query
RR Pant 2018-2020 8 15 1 556 159* 39.71 819 67.88 2 0 1 56 12 investigate this query
AM Rahane 2018-2020 11 21 0 606 81 28.85 1410 42.97 0 4 1 62 3 investigate this query
KL Rahul 2018-2019 10 19 0 386 149 20.31 653 59.11 1 0 3 53 2

 

  • If he batted in the top order, he would avg even less

 

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1 hour ago, zen said:

Since 2018:

 

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Opposition team Australia remove Australia from query or England remove England from query or New Zealand remove New Zealand from query or South Africa remove South Africa from query
Home or away away (home of opposition) remove away (home of opposition) from query
Start of match date greater than or equal to 1 Jan 2018 remove greater than or equal to 1 Jan 2018 from query
Qualifications runs scored greater than or equal to 300 remove runs scored greater than or equal to 300 from query
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Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS AveDescending BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s  
V Kohli 2018-2020 13 25 0 1182 153 47.28 2234 52.90 4 5 2 136 2 investigate this query
CA Pujara 2018-2020 12 23 1 921 193 41.86 2449 37.60 4 3 3 99 2 investigate this query
RR Pant 2018-2020 8 15 1 556 159* 39.71 819 67.88 2 0 1 56 12 investigate this query
AM Rahane 2018-2020 11 21 0 606 81 28.85 1410 42.97 0 4 1 62 3 investigate this query
KL Rahul 2018-2019 10 19 0 386 149 20.31 653 59.11 1 0 3 53 2

 

  • If he batted in the top order, he would avg even less

 

and whats the overall SENA figures.

 

Pujara is bolstered by one series in Aus. He has been a flop in SA, England and NZ.

 

 

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9 minutes ago, G_B_ said:

and whats the overall SENA figures.

 

Pujara is bolstered by one series in Aus. He has been a flop in SA, England and NZ.

 

 

Overall? Rahane is probably less than 40 (that too for an experienced MO)

 

Pujara avgs 60 in his last 7 test in SENA. Has 132* in Eng. That is 25-30 more than other experienced batsmen (and that too when batting in the top order). No one cares what happened in the past some 5 years ago 

 

 

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1 minute ago, zen said:

Overall? Rahane is probably less than 40 (that too for an experienced MO)

 

Pujara avgs 60 in his last 7 test in SENA. That is 25-30 more than other experienced batsmen. No one cares what happened in the past some 5-6 years ago 

 

 

still can you give us an overall figure for net SENA averages.

 

 

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46 minutes ago, G_B_ said:

still can you give us an overall figure for net SENA averages.

From when Rahane came into scene. Here you go, among MO batsmen: 

 

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Home or away away (home of opposition) remove away (home of opposition) from query
Start of match date greater than or equal to 1 Jan 2013 remove greater than or equal to 1 Jan 2013 from query
Batting position between 4 and 7 remove between 4 and 7 from query
Qualifications runs scored greater than or equal to 1000 remove runs scored greater than or equal to 1000 from query
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Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS AveDescending BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s  
SPD Smith (AUS) 2013-2019 17 31 3 1792 211 64.00 3042 58.90 6 9 1 213 17 investigate this query
V Kohli (INDIA) 2013-2020 26 51 1 2494 169 49.88 4446 56.09 10 8 4 293 4 investigate this query
JE Root (ENG) 2013-2020 20 36 3 1527 226 46.27 3013 50.68 2 12 1 172 4 investigate this query
AD Mathews (SL) 2013-2018 15 29 3 1143 160 43.96 2221 51.46 3 6 0 137 10 investigate this query
BA Stokes (ENG) 2013-2020 16 29 0 1256 258 43.31 1968 63.82 3 4 1 160 25 investigate this query
AM Rahane (INDIA) 2013-2020 24 46 3 1675 147 38.95 3319 50.46 3 10 3 205 7 investigate this query
Asad Shafiq (PAK) 2013-2019 19 36 0 1187 137 32.97 2198 54.00 3 8 5 152 6

 

  • Rahane is at the bottom of the pile 

 

 

If you are trying to compare w/ Pujara, Pujara is ahead among his group:

 

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Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS AveDescending BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s  
CJL Rogers (AUS) 2013-2015 13 24 1 1028 173 44.69 2025 50.76 3 5 1 147 1 investigate this query
CA Pujara (INDIA) 2013-2020 24 45 1 1662 193 37.77 4133 40.21 5 6 4 196 3 investigate this query
DA Warner (AUS) 2013-2019 21 39 0 1445 145 37.05 1965 73.53 3 11 4 185 13 investigate this query
Azhar Ali (PAK) 2013-2019 18 35 2 1089 205* 33.00 2756 39.51 2 5 1 123 2 investigate this query
M Vijay (INDIA) 2013-2018 20 40 0 1257 146 31.42 3031 41.47 2 7 5 161 8 investigate this query
FDM Karunaratne (SL) 2013-2019 19 38 1 1087 152 29.37 2284 47.59 1 6 4 126 1

 

 

 

 

Despite playing  in MO, Rahane has not performed per expectations. If he batted in top order, he would probably avg much less. Many of the people who have commented on this thread, understand this!

 

There is nothing special in his overall avg (which is at the bottom among his group) .... and you are inquiring as if Rahane has moved mountains!  :lol:

 

The guy needs to step up his game 

 

 

 

 

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Just now, Vk1 said:

Rahane's average is just unacceptable for his batting position. Pujara is almost an opener and one can show some sympathies on him

Both have been mediocre. Agree pujara has had one great series but that's all he has done in whole overseas test career. Need to kick rahane for now and if pujara fails in this & aus series kick him as well.

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Just now, Nikola said:

Both have been mediocre. Agree pujara has had one great series but that's all he has done in whole overseas test career. Need to kick rahane for now and if pujara fails in this & aus series kick him as well.

agree.. incredible the number of times these guys have been to SENA and still continue to fail

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Rahane in last two years among MO batsmen:

 

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Start of match date between 28 Feb 2018 and 28 Feb 2020 remove between 28 Feb 2018 and 28 Feb 2020 from query
Batting position between 4 and 7 remove between 4 and 7 from query
Qualifications runs scored greater than or equal to 300 remove runs scored greater than or equal to 300 from query
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Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS AveDescending BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s  
SPD Smith (AUS) 2018-2019 7 13 0 916 211 70.46 1506 60.82 3 4 0 111 7 investigate this query
OJ Pope (ENG) 2019-2020 5 8 2 376 135* 62.66 751 50.06 1 3 0 48 1 investigate this query
JE Root (ENG) 2018-2020 7 12 0 647 226 53.91 1252 51.67 1 4 0 73 2 investigate this query
Babar Azam (PAK) 2018-2019 6 11 1 499 104 49.90 720 69.30 1 4 0 81 0 investigate this query
V Kohli (INDIA) 2018-2020 10 19 0 896 149 47.15 1759 50.93 3 4 2 101 2 investigate this query
BA Stokes (ENG) 2018-2020 8 14 0 566 120 40.42 1042 54.31 1 3 1 70 8 investigate this query
BKG Mendis (SL) 2018-2019 6 12 2 400 141* 40.00 799 50.06 1 2 1 51 1 investigate this query
RR Pant (INDIA) 2018-2020 8 15 1 556 159* 39.71 819 67.88 2 0 1 56 12 investigate this query
MS Wade (AUS) 2019-2019 5 10 0 337 117 33.70 578 58.30 2 0 1 47 1 investigate this query
Asad Shafiq (PAK) 2018-2019 7 13 0 419 88 32.23 669 62.63 0 5 2 54 2 investigate this query
AM Rahane (INDIA) 2018-2020 10 19 0 549 81 28.89 1315 41.74 0 4 1 55 3 investigate this query
TD Paine (AUS) 2018-2019 9 18 4 395 62 28.21 821 48.11 0 2 1 45 3

 

 

 

Pujara in the same period (among top order batmen):

 

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Home or away away (home of opposition) remove away (home of opposition) from query
Start of match date between 28 Feb 2018 and 28 Feb 2020 remove between 28 Feb 2018 and 28 Feb 2020 from query
Batting position between 1 and 3 remove between 1 and 3 from query
Qualifications runs scored greater than or equal to 300 remove runs scored greater than or equal to 300 from query
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Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS AveDescending BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s  
CA Pujara (INDIA) 2018-2020 9 17 1 821 193 51.31 2107 38.96 4 2 2 84 2 investigate this query
DP Sibley (ENG) 2019-2020 6 10 1 362 133* 40.22 929 38.96 1 0 0 56 1 investigate this query
Shan Masood (PAK) 2018-2019 5 10 0 384 68 38.40 763 50.32 0 3 0 43 3 investigate this query
JL Denly (ENG) 2019-2020 6 10 0 323 74 32.30 912 35.41 0 2 0 40 3 investigate this query
KL Rahul (INDIA) 2018-2019 8 15 0 356 149 23.73 552 64.49 1 0 2 49 2 investigate this query
DA Warner (AUS) 2018-2019 8 16 0 312 63 19.50 500 62.40 0 3 3 44 1
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2 hours ago, zen said:

Rahane in last two years among MO batsmen:

 

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Opposition team Australia remove Australia from query or England remove England from query or New Zealand remove New Zealand from query or South Africa remove South Africa from query
Home or away away (home of opposition) remove away (home of opposition) from query
Start of match date between 28 Feb 2018 and 28 Feb 2020 remove between 28 Feb 2018 and 28 Feb 2020 from query
Batting position between 4 and 7 remove between 4 and 7 from query
Qualifications runs scored greater than or equal to 300 remove runs scored greater than or equal to 300 from query
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Overall figures
Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS AveDescending BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s  
SPD Smith (AUS) 2018-2019 7 13 0 916 211 70.46 1506 60.82 3 4 0 111 7 investigate this query
OJ Pope (ENG) 2019-2020 5 8 2 376 135* 62.66 751 50.06 1 3 0 48 1 investigate this query
JE Root (ENG) 2018-2020 7 12 0 647 226 53.91 1252 51.67 1 4 0 73 2 investigate this query
Babar Azam (PAK) 2018-2019 6 11 1 499 104 49.90 720 69.30 1 4 0 81 0 investigate this query
V Kohli (INDIA) 2018-2020 10 19 0 896 149 47.15 1759 50.93 3 4 2 101 2 investigate this query
BA Stokes (ENG) 2018-2020 8 14 0 566 120 40.42 1042 54.31 1 3 1 70 8 investigate this query
BKG Mendis (SL) 2018-2019 6 12 2 400 141* 40.00 799 50.06 1 2 1 51 1 investigate this query
RR Pant (INDIA) 2018-2020 8 15 1 556 159* 39.71 819 67.88 2 0 1 56 12 investigate this query
MS Wade (AUS) 2019-2019 5 10 0 337 117 33.70 578 58.30 2 0 1 47 1 investigate this query
Asad Shafiq (PAK) 2018-2019 7 13 0 419 88 32.23 669 62.63 0 5 2 54 2 investigate this query
AM Rahane (INDIA) 2018-2020 10 19 0 549 81 28.89 1315 41.74 0 4 1 55 3 investigate this query
TD Paine (AUS) 2018-2019 9 18 4 395 62 28.21 821 48.11 0 2 1 45 3

 

 

 

Pujara in the same period (among top order batmen):

 

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Opposition team Australia remove Australia from query or England remove England from query or New Zealand remove New Zealand from query or South Africa remove South Africa from query
Home or away away (home of opposition) remove away (home of opposition) from query
Start of match date between 28 Feb 2018 and 28 Feb 2020 remove between 28 Feb 2018 and 28 Feb 2020 from query
Batting position between 1 and 3 remove between 1 and 3 from query
Qualifications runs scored greater than or equal to 300 remove runs scored greater than or equal to 300 from query
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Overall figures
Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS AveDescending BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s  
CA Pujara (INDIA) 2018-2020 9 17 1 821 193 51.31 2107 38.96 4 2 2 84 2 investigate this query
DP Sibley (ENG) 2019-2020 6 10 1 362 133* 40.22 929 38.96 1 0 0 56 1 investigate this query
Shan Masood (PAK) 2018-2019 5 10 0 384 68 38.40 763 50.32 0 3 0 43 3 investigate this query
JL Denly (ENG) 2019-2020 6 10 0 323 74 32.30 912 35.41 0 2 0 40 3 investigate this query
KL Rahul (INDIA) 2018-2019 8 15 0 356 149 23.73 552 64.49 1 0 2 49 2 investigate this query
DA Warner (AUS) 2018-2019 8 16 0 312 63 19.50 500 62.40 0 3 3 44 1

Do you see a fundamental flaw in the stat above @zen.

You are including players from Australia, England, NZ and SA and then you are looking for averages there. Obviously, for those players they are home conditions and they are supposed to do good. You should compare their averages in India and Sri Lanka vs our batsmen in SENA + WI. 

SENA conditions are ultimate only for our batsmen from sub-continent and not the toughest conditions for anyone. Our spinners Ashwin and Jadeja can cause havoc for batsmen from SENA who cannot play spin. 

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1 hour ago, sarcastic said:

Do you see a fundamental flaw in the stat above @zen.

You are including players from Australia, England, NZ and SA and then you are looking for averages there. Obviously, for those players they are home conditions and they are supposed to do good. You should compare their averages in India and Sri Lanka vs our batsmen in SENA + WI. 

SENA conditions are ultimate only for our batsmen from sub-continent and not the toughest conditions for anyone. Our spinners Ashwin and Jadeja can cause havoc for batsmen from SENA who cannot play spin. 

Buddy, I do not see a point of your post. The discussion is about performances in SENA, which are among the top 5-6 teams and also expected to play the final of WTC .... From an Indian PoV, Kohli (among MO batsmen) and Pujara (among top order batsmen), along w/ the newcomer Pant have done well in SENA (even relative to SENA batsmen).  Batsmen from Pak and SL are on the list too and have done better than some of Ind's batsmen .... Others need to pull up their socks .... The data has all kind of information on it. You do not need to look at SENA batsmen if you don't want to. But note that conditions in Aus for e.g. are different than in Eng and NZ, where Warner for e.g. averages 26 and 13 respectively in the discussed time frame.  

 

If for a job, a candidate is required to speak German, he is striving for native level of fluency. He cannot tell the company that look "To judge me on my German, you have to judge German speakers on my native language too." The candidate's native language is not relevant to this job's requirement. 

 

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