Pandya and Jadeja at No. 6 and 7 is a recipe for failure

[Majestic]

Next World Cup is in India. He will rip apart these spinners in India. So, he gets a pass in my opinion.

[rkt.india]

54 minutes ago, putrevus said:

No he is not no6 , he is no7 unless he bowls he makes this team weaker.

He can bowl even if he bats at 6. You anyway need 6 bowling options 

[Ankit_sharma03]

31 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

 

Iyer has an even bigger issue against short balls.

 

 

he takes his eye of so early, if he has to tackle it like waugh or even ganguly atleast try to watch it till last min 

[express bowling]

32 minutes ago, Majestic said:

Next World Cup is in India. He will rip apart these spinners in India. So, he gets a pass in my opinion.

 

Hardik is hitting quick bowlers effortlessly too.

[Ankit_sharma03]

38 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Hardik is hitting quick bowlers effortlessly too.

 

his base and range has improved, his stance has made his zone wider specially when bowlers now bowl yorkers outside off . I was worried about his pulling n hooking due to this stance but now he has learned to keep the ball down while doing so making that shot risk free

[Soumo]

27 minutes ago, sarchasm said:

 

Precisely. And likewise, just because Pandya is scoring runs doesn't mean he has a ticket to Team India, he also must look technically flawless.

At number six one doesn't need to be technically flawless they have to see the balk hit the ball ,Dhoni wasn't technically flawless by any means but in his heydays he was regarded as one of of best pullers in limited overs cricket.

[maniac]

The problem is Pandya and Jadeja type players are a bonus.  Dhoni and Yuvraj/Raina at 6-7 meant that there was hope we can pull of miraculous wins even against the odds, not some exciting hitting from them that doesn’t add value.

 

Unless these great knocks add to team wins I don’t take it seriously. Anyone can look like a million bucks on an off day but what shows someone’s character is how they plan, they awareness they show to try and finish games.

[The Realist]

4 minutes ago, maniac said:

The problem is Pandya and Jadeja type players are a bonus.  Dhoni and Yuvraj/Raina at 6-7 meant that there was hope we can pull of miraculous wins even against the odds, not some exciting hitting from them that doesn’t add value.

 

Unless these great knocks add to team wins I don’t take it seriously. Anyone can look like a million bucks on an off day but what shows someone’s character is how they plan, they awareness they show to try and finish games.

The Yuvraj-Raina-Dhoni combo was such a strong backbone.

 

The first two have never been replaced, both as batters and bowlers. 

 

The current team is too weak and unbalanced - top heavy with a flaky middle order and non-existent lower order hitters ending with a very long tail. 

[Ankit_sharma03]

25 minutes ago, maniac said:

 

 

Unless these great knocks add to team wins I don’t take it seriously.

 

 

 

how the F does a player himself chase 330 or 374 alone down 

 

25 minutes ago, maniac said:

Anyone can look like a million bucks on an off day but what shows someone’s character is how they plan, they awareness they show to try and finish games.

 

Did u see todays match ?

 

[maniac]

9 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

 

how the F does a player himself chase 330 or 374 alone down 

 

 

Did u see todays match ?

 

I saw the Australian innings. Finch and Warner showed why the Rohit sharma approach works which you have constantly ridiculed on here. Hope you enjoyed the 80/3 after 10 instead of 45/0. 

Not blaming Pandya here, nothing he could do but let’s hype him when he gets even a tense 30-40 at a 80 strike rate to get India over the line than a pointless 70’s or 90’s he is hyped for after the game is buried 

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

6 minutes ago, maniac said:

I saw the Australian innings. Finch and Warner showed why the Rohit sharma approach works which you have constantly ridiculed on here. Hope you enjoyed the 80/3 after 10 instead of 45/0. 

 

 

It works as they have maxwell, stonis in end who can tonk not forget cummins n starc also can , i ridicule when guys like u have the guts to aks pandya to sit out when ur top order bats. Like how maxwell today changed the game or pandya in Ind-Aus Wc game. 

That cake needs cream on it or else it can be ruined

also btw none among warner n finch has a 73 s.r in 1st 10 overs its only minnows n rohit

 

 

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Not blaming Pandya here, nothing he could do but let’s hype him when he gets even a tense 30-40 at a 80 strike rate to get India over the line than a pointless 70’s or 90’s he is hyped for after the game is buried 

 

 

koi na gotten use it every time he performs its either a fluke or expectation of the exact opp, i dnt knw who rates him higher me or you coz ur expectation from a short career is way considering guys like yuvi, rohit , zak struggles for 5-7 yrs and pretty much many careers

 

Btw he already has done that Remeber Kohli- jadhav partnership , they both got out with 65 runs remaning pandya finished the game with a 40 in 37 balls

 

Edited November 27, 2020 by Ankit_sharma03

[putrevus]

You need 6 bowling options but Pandya at 6 will means Jadeja at 7 . You have very very long tail.


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[maniac]

From a situation like 100 odd for 4, Forget if this was vs Australia for a moment.
 

Even if this was vs SL,Pak,Bang,Afg or WI how many of you will be confident that we will win the game chasing even a 275+ score 9 out of times.

 

Eng can pull it off,Aus can pull It off, Nzl can pull it off, hell I will even back Hafeez and Malik to win a middling 280 type target vs SL and Bang at least.

 

Think of that for a second and you will know why people Complain about Jadeja and Pandya at 6 and 7.

Edited November 27, 2020 by maniac

[zen]

16 minutes ago, maniac said:

From a situation like 100 odd for 4, Forget if this was vs Australia for a moment.
 

Even if this was vs SL,Pak,Bang,Afg or WI how many of you will be confident that we will win the game chasing even a 275+ score 9 out of times.

 

More confident than if Rohit, Iyer, etc batted at #6-7 

 

Rohit averages 24 at a SR of 77 w/ 0 6s hit at #6-7 v major teams

 

PS if a team gets itself into 100/4 situations often chasing 275+, it deserves to lose and should change those duds up the order who are responsible for getting it into a 100/4 situation in the first place

Edited November 27, 2020 by zen

[Ankit_sharma03]

11 minutes ago, maniac said:

From a situation like 100 odd for 4, Forget if this was vs Australia for a moment.
 

Even if this was vs SL,Pak,Bang,Afg or WI how many of you will be confident that we will win the game chasing even a 275+ score 9 out of times.

 

Eng can pull it off,Aus can pull It off, Nzl can pull it off, hell I will even back Hafeez and Malik to win a middling 280 type target vs SL and Bang at least..

 

From 100-4 in last 3 times pandya has performed twice and jadeja once, so ppl is complaining coz they hve certain myths in their head and they dont watch games 

 

when ur 100-4 chasing 330+ 90% its over ....even if u play iyer or pandey it wud result same , if total is 350+ 98 % no chance and if its 375 like today forget it .....the game was over with maxwell innings 

 

Also Chasing 375 from 100-4 and chasing 275 from 100-4 is chalk n cheese 

 

 

[zen]

3 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Also Chasing 375 from 100-4 and chasing 275 from 100-4 is chalk n cheese 

 

Even common math explains that if Ind got over 300 chasing 375, it already chased 275 .... These guys are just making random posts 

 

[maniac]

24 minutes ago, zen said:

 

Even common math explains that if Ind got over 300 chasing 375, it already chased 275 .... These guys are just making random posts 

 

thats not how it works, a target like 375 I am not blaming anyone, pandya had to throw his bat at everything and instead of tuk tuking and playing for avg/nrr or even for a easy 100 he threw his bat and got out. I can respect that. 
 

However let’s say if the target is 275 the stakes change, you have to be calculative and play smart % cricket and switch gears back and forth on situation. That ability I don’t see it in Pandya and Jadeja is a TTF in that department anyways.

 

Thats were I don’t trust these guys even against weaker teams. We have lost before against teams like SL and WI after a top order collapse and  barely managed to win against Afghanistan in such situations.

 

@Ankit_sharma03 that goes for you too

Edited November 27, 2020 by maniac

[maniac]

32 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

 

 

 

when ur 100-4 chasing 330+ 90% its over ....even if u play iyer or pandey it wud result same , if total is 350+ 98 % no chance and if its 375 like today forget it .....the game was over with maxwell innings 

 

Also Chasing 375 from 100-4 and chasing 275 from 100-4 is chalk n cheese 

 

 

of course it is. 375 at 100-4 means game over and it’s one a 100 chance but 275 at 100-4 is doable and I don’t think I have seen this guy “do” exactly the same. Win the game. “They performed” is not an excuse I want they won the game from that situation.

 

I have seen Butler and Stokes do it, Stoinis,Carey and Maxwell win games , Taylor,Neesham,Grandhomme,Santner 

do the same. As I said even guys like Hafeez and Malik against weaker teams. However I don’t trust Pandya and Jadeja to take you over the line 9 out of 10 times against any decent score leave alone a score like 375. Hope you got it on the 2nd attempt of what I am saying.

[Ankit_sharma03]

10 minutes ago, maniac said:

thats not how it works, a target like 375 I am not blaming anyone, pandya had to throw his bat at everything and instead of tuk tuking and playing for avg/nrr or even for a easy 100 he threw his bat and got out. I can respect that. 
 

However let’s say if the target is 275 the stakes change, you have to be calculative and play smart % cricket and switch gears back and forth on situation. That ability I don’t see it in Pandya and Jadeja is a TTF in that department anyways.

 

since u didnt see the match pandya didnt throw his bat , he paced his innings very well

He smashed zampa coz spinners are his strength but he didnt smash everyone,  so the one thing u dnt trust he already did that....also did that in Aus home series where he got MOS 

Jadeja is a fraud with bat comparing those 2 is not even right 

 

its high time to question where does top 3 disappear in these stake games as happened in last few times 

 

10 minutes ago, maniac said:

Thats were I don’t trust these guys even against weaker teams. We have lost before against teams like SL and WI after a top order collapse and  barely managed to win against Afghanistan in such situations.

 

@Ankit_sharma03 that goes for you too

 

Scoring against those sides will only give u players likr rayudu, iyer who in the end get exposed. 

If u want to be a big team have player who can score against top sides and which is when someone like KL showed how ahead he is of iyer or how pandya avg 60 against Aus 

 

Scoring against WI, SL has resulted in frauds like rayudu in past lets not go down same road. 

[Ankit_sharma03]

11 minutes ago, maniac said:

of course it is. 375 at 100-4 means game over and it’s one a 100 chance but 275 at 100-4 is doable and I don’t think I have seen this guy “do” exactly the same. Win the game. “They performed” is not an excuse I want they won the game from that situation.

 

u have decided that in a 50 over career and comparing to guys who have played 100 + games

 

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I have seen Butler and Stokes do it, Stoinis,Carey and Maxwell win games , Taylor,Neesham,Grandhomme,Santner 

 

he did it in Ind-aus home series

 

just go look at his batting career n see how many innings has he gotten most wud be go n slog kind and these wud be very few, 2 expect someone to show maturity of dhoni who was fast tracked is a foolish expectation. Complain when he plays 100+ matches and still story is same

 

 

 

Edited November 27, 2020 by Ankit_sharma03