Jamieson v Green, the young ARs from down under

[zen]

Jamieson v Green, the two young all-rounders from down under, have played two tests v Ind so far (debuted v Ind). How do you rate them on potential? Which one has impressed you more?

 

What are the areas, they need to improve upon?

 

 

For reference, so far in 2 tests v Ind:

 

• Jamieson batting avg 47, bowling avg 16
• Green batting avg 23, bowling avg N/A (yet to pick up a wkt)

 

 

 

 

 

Edited December 31, 2020 by zen

[Serpico]

Considering Jamieson is already winning them games with bat and ball and green barely did anything yet, Kyle all the way

[maniac]

Jamieson will be like Vettori,Woakes etc someone who will have decent stats in both batting and bowling as a bowling allrounder but will often be over looked.

 

Green is the next big thing. He is the next Watson/Symonds 

[neel roy]

Jamieson will be no 1 bowler in nz post souther n boult. He has the uneven bounce which is difficult to handle. He will

be the next stokes with a better bowling average. 

[Lone Wolf]

Green is 4-5 years younger..  So I think he has a higher ceiling.  Jamieson is a more bowling A/R. 

Edited December 31, 2020 by Lone Wolf

[zen]

1 minute ago, Lone Wolf said:

Jamieson is a more bowling A/R. 

 

Is that an issue? An AR can have either batting or bowling as his strong point. 

[Tyron]

Jamieson right now but I have a nasty feeling he will get exposed very soon in Asia when he tours. Happy to be proven wrong but I think he will get destroyed in Asia epseically India. 

 

Green has potential to be a great batting all rounder. 

 

Remember novelty factor makes them look better than they are. Soon teams will study them and work them out. Will be interesting. 

 

 

[Gollum]

Call me crazy but I think at this point fully fit Hardik is better than both in test cricket. 

 

Coming to topic, Jamieson is better right now, Green has the higher ceiling. 

[zen]

30 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Call me crazy but I think at this point fully fit Hardik is better than both in test cricket. 

SDP is in the same group as Jamieson and definitely has great potential as well

[Ankit_sharma03]

Havent seen Jamison much but green is the next big thing

[Tyron]

27 minutes ago, zen said:

SDP is in the same group as Jamieson and definitely has great potential as well

He doesn't have the bowling of Jamieson though? 

[Vickydev]

5 hours ago, zen said:

 

Is that an issue? An AR can have either batting or bowling as his strong point. 

Batting ARs are more prized/rated in modern cricket ala Ben Stokes/Watson vs Holder, Kallis vs Pollock or Shakib vs erstwhile Jadeja. Its a batsman's game and an AR who is a top bat but is useful with the ball seems to be more valued than the other way round.

Edited January 1, 2021 by Vickydev

[zen]

34 minutes ago, Vickydev said:

Batting ARs are more prized/rated in modern cricket ala Ben Stokes/Watson vs Holder, Kallis vs Pollock or Shakib vs erstwhile Jadeja. Its a batsman's game and an AR who is a top bat but is useful with the ball seems to be more valued than the other way round.

When it comes to ARs, what is imp is the avg diff so if a bowling AR has a batting avg of 40 and bowling avg of 25, his avg diff is 15 ... and if a batting AR has a batting avg of 45 and bowling avg of 35, his avg diff is 10 ... the former can be said to be more effective 

 

Talking abt Jamieson, his current batting avg is 49 and bowling avg is 14, so the avg diff is 35, which is phenomenal at this point in time 

 

I would not term Kallis as a top AR because his bowling workload was much less relatively to other top ARs  ..... check out the thread below: 

 

 

 

Edited January 1, 2021 by zen

[First class]

Jamisen is a bowling all rounder and Green is batting AR.  Jamisen , being very tall 6-8", is a match winner bowler on his day, Green, probably not so much, or not yet.  

[ShoonyaSifar]

Green looks the best among Aussie young batsmen. Gradually will become a number 4 for them, bowling occasionally. Jamieson's primary suit is his bowling (FC batting average of 20 vs Green's 51)

[Suhaan]

To me Green looks like a genuine AR,his batting and bowling look equally strong certainly at this point

He is composed as well as aggressive who will not let loose deliveries go

Green seems to have a very aggressive approach while bowling as well very much like Watson ,he too has a heavy ball to surprise batsmen

Jamieson i have not seen him much,but NZ unlike Aus doesn't give a complete picture of  a seamer

If you consider bowling, traditionally Aussie pacers are all conditions bowler same cannot be said for NZ pacers barring few

[express bowling]

Want to see Jamieson bowl in Asia or on Australian pata pitches before forming an opinion on his bowling.

 

Plus there is the novelty factor, which will wear off.

 

Green has not played much yet. Potential is there but let's see.  Good FC averages do not necessarily mean a good career in international cricket. There could be issues regarding both temperament and technique.

 

As of now he looks like a good prospect. Plays in a calm manner.

 

Both, being very tall, have more risk of getting injured while bowling seam up.

 

 

[Lone Wolf]

3 hours ago, zen said:

When it comes to ARs, what is imp is the avg diff so if a bowling AR has a batting avg of 40 and bowling avg of 25, his avg diff is 15 ... and if a batting AR has a batting avg of 45 and bowling avg of 35, his avg diff is 10 ... the former can be said to be more effective 

 

Talking abt Jamieson, his current batting avg is 49 and bowling avg is 14, so the avg diff is 35, which is phenomenal at this point in time 

 

I would not term Kallis as a top AR because his bowling workload was much less relatively to other top ARs  ..... check out the thread below: 

 

 

 

Thing is Jamieson has only played 3 series that too at home.  He has a novelty factor as well.  His batting tbh looks nothing special.  Even chotu Sam Curran looks like has more potential with bat.  Jamieson can have good career with ball though but unlikely to be the level of Woakes Curran let alone Stokes. 

Green has more all round game & has decent pace- 140kph & solid batting technique.  He has age on his side only 21 years atm.  So I think Green can be closest to Stokes in coming years. 

[ShoonyaSifar]

Is Jamieson even a proper all rounder? His FC average of 20 over a larger sample of FC matches suggests he is not. A batting average of 49 after 5 tests does not mean much. He is a bowler who can bat better than other tailenders, a better version of Tim Southee

[ShoonyaSifar]

12 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

Thing is Jamieson has only played 3 series that too at home.  He has a novelty factor as well.  His batting tbh looks nothing special.  Even chotu Sam Curran looks like has more potential with bat.  Jamieson can have good career with ball though but unlikely to be the level of Woakes Curran let alone Stokes. 

Green has more all round game & has decent pace- 140kph & solid batting technique.  He has age on his side only 21 years atm.  So I think Green can be closest to Stokes in coming years. 

 

Sam Curran is actually a much better AR, a genuine one . Was always seen as a AR with his batting and bowling averages close to 30 over a much larger sample of FC matches.

 

On Green vs Stokes, doubt if Green will continue to bowl much. Aussies need proper Test quality batsmen, will groom Green as their next one.